[HOAX]Michael Horns Billy Meier photos[HOAX] from C2C tonight

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The user, FutureSelf1, is Michael Horn who has previously been banned from ATS several times based on past episodes of inappropriate forum behavior.

While we'd prefer to have Mr. Horn participate in these discussions, he's demonstrated an inability to participate with civility and is no longer a welcome contributor.

Well, that was awfully deceitful.

Just for the record folks, and so there's no miscommunication: bonsai are a hobby of mine, and I've definitely been reading about them and going to garden shows to see them for a very long time. But, as I said, I cant keep but one alive, and it's a hibiscus...not very old and certainly no good to make Meier fakes with.

And, I've said many times since receiving more info on the WC shot, that I no longer hold the opinion of a bonsai being used. I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this.

But, it is a much smaller then normal tree, and is clearly shown in 3 apparently separate locations (the photos of 2 such comparisons I sent to Derek) within Meier's photos, over a course of many years.

What put me off and dismissed the bonsai idea for me was a photo showing the WC across from some grass in the same tree...and the grass gives a good idea of scale in comparison to the tree.

Due to how ratty it looks in the later photos, I'm tempted to think it's fake tree altogether, and it's just bent up well used. Either way, I surmise it's about 3-4 ft tall.

Originally posted by AGENT51
Given the fact it only took one post to get 4+ members of this forum (Lotiki, etc.) to accuse me of being Horn, I would say my point has been proven: not many people here on either side have done their homework.

Well, I don't think anyone was out of line thinking that, when you copy and paste his statements here. He's a tendency to do that a lot, not only in message boards but within emails. The pasted comments are more or less fused in with whatever he wants to call you that particular day.

ok, so he was caught again. Great. Let's keep the comments about the members, both active and banned, to ourselves please.

Back on topic. Michael Horn's hoax photos from C2C.


thanks

Originally posted by jritzmann
Well, I don't think anyone was out of line thinking that, when you copy and paste his statements here. He's a tendency to do that a lot, not only in message boards but within emails. The pasted comments are more or less fused in with whatever he wants to call you that particular day.

I posted his QUESTIONS, not statements. Lets get the facts straight. Fair enough, but arent MH's questions famous enough for people to discern where they originate from? Isn't this obvious? I was not aware that MH was coming on this forum through multiple monikers, so perhaps this was the reason why I was singled out - and IM a skeptic.

At the same time, the concept of asking questions about the Meier Case, no matter who's they are, should be treated with courtesy. Almost every person on this thread who has asked a pertenent question to a skeptic in regards to this case has been ignored or deemed as irrelevant . Thats fine. I don't care anymore. I've learned that ATS is not a place for a respectful discussion on almost any topic. If we all go into the next discussion realizing that, we'll all be better off.
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[edit on 1-2-2008 by AGENT51]

Originally posted by AGENT51
Almost every person on this thread who has asked a pertenent question to a skeptic in regards to this case has been ignored or deemed as irrelevant .

Well I dont believe that, because I myself answered *many* on this thread. But thats ok, you can think what works for ya.

Ah well, I'm with you in one regard, let this thread die.


[edit on 1-2-2008 by jritzmann]

reply to post by AGENT51


Interesting, thanks AGENT51.
Same video on Google page:
video.google.com...

and a smaller 7 min one:

video.google.com...

Thats the way primitive saucers look, a metal can with primitive
electrical systems.

ED:
List of Meier UFO on Google Video



[edit on 2/1/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by AGENT51


Dude, I was accused of being Michael Horn on this thread. What happened, skeptics? (chuckle)

DB, if you want to keep your credibilty, just keep the insults out of it and do your job as a skeptic. The T and C's require mandatory courtesy. Given the fact it only took one post to get 4+ members of this forum (Lotiki, etc.) to accuse me of being Horn, I would say my point has been proven: not many people here on either side have done their homework.

NOBODY, on either side is going to "prove" anything to the other, so for the love of God, unless either of the two sides have something mind-blowing, let this thread die.





[edit on 1-2-2008 by AGENT51]

I did not accuse you of being Horn. I did not say, " OMG ITS HORN AGAIN BANHIMBANHIMBANHIM!!!!"
I asked if you were him (got that? asked, not accused) because you posted questions that you presented as YOUR OWN, without any credit or source given, that was a word for word cut and paste from Horn's commercial site.
When you combine that with your amazing ability to completely and continually ignore relevant questions that are asked by many different people over and over again (ring of fire picture), just like Horn, and Horn's continuing to register over and over again with different names, you have to eventually start to ask questions.

[edit on 1-2-2008 by Lotiki]

Originally posted by mazzroth
Asket was the final straw for me as I was a total believer in this crap before I found out the most important fact about conspiracies.

www.youtube.com...

Im not going to bother giving you 30 years up on this subject just find out for yourself then come back here and post your findings "you" made yourself ok.

Never heard of this Asket but human pilots are all you can expect
from any man made saucer.

Google: Meier Asket


UFO Billy Meier Pleiadean Case Reopened

Originally posted by AGENT51
I agree. Not a bad production. Still leaves questions though. Here's an old Japanese Documentary on Meier by INTERCEP, later translated into english. At about 27 mins we see Billy again, kneeling down, but this time the craft is much further away. If the craft is hanging by a string, it is much harder to tell from where. Any thoughts?
Here

Just watched the intro and spotted the problem immediately. It's a (tv) camera recording images of a projection screen. I think someone else mentioned this in the past as well. By doing that, especially with older systems, you get even less resolution, clarity and so on. Such recordings are totally useless for any research.

[edit on 1-2-2008 by TerraX]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The user, FutureSelf1, is Michael Horn who has previously been banned from ATS several times based on past episodes of inappropriate forum behavior.
While we'd prefer to have Mr. Horn participate in these discussions, he's demonstrated an inability to participate with civility and is no longer a welcome contributor.

Oww man. This brings back memories of Horn calling me a coward and/or irrelevant participant for using a nickname/alias on the internet. Sure it was him? The writing style was totally different. Nonetheless I'm eager to take your word for it.

Lol that Cake ship has to be the most FAKE thing I have ever seen. How can anyone even believe for a second that it's real? You can tell the ship is so out of scale that it couldn't hold a chihuahua much less a humanoid sized being. It looks like it would fall apart if I let a fan blow on it, let alone the idea of it being capable of interstellar flight. Seriously, I hope NO ONE on here was even fooled by that one.

Is Time Lapse photography supposed to put everyone in awe? So he shot some sparks off with a grinder and whoala! We have a "light ship".

I believe it is a smallish tree on the hill, using false perspective as has been discussed before.
examine:



Would not be hard for him to find or re-plant a tree of this size to hang his model upon.

The OP (BTW..thanks for the post) will want proof that those trees in your picture are real.
For some reason he wants proof of it being a hoax rather then proof of it being real.
Go figure.
Thanks for the post though.

Originally posted by WhiteWash
I believe it is a smallish tree on the hill, using false perspective as has been discussed before.
examine:

Would not be hard for him to find or re-plant a tree of this size to hang his model upon.

reply to post by TheAgentNineteen


It reminds me of all the people the jazz or pimp up their cars.

Thats a pimped up saucer.

No doubt there is a hide out in Switzerland of ex German scientists that
worked on the FOO or Virl or Haunebu or dozens of other craft that
had photos taken and shown in Secret Space I.

Meier happened upon their pilot test area.

The rest of the tail was for them to make Meier look foolish.

The scenario complete when they sent him the WC saucer.
Its not a UFO since it is quite identified as a saucer craft.

Originally posted by WhiteWash
I believe it is a smallish tree on the hill, using false perspective as has been discussed before.
examine:

Would not be hard for him to find or re-plant a tree of this size to hang his model upon.

Have a good look at this picture.

What's so unusual? The camera seems to be very close to the ground if you ask me. So yeah, false perspective. Relatively small tree and model.

reply to post by TerraX


Terrax-I'm glad ya posted that one, that sealed it for me as far as the scale. Considering the reported size of the WC, the blades of grass would be big enough for use as throw blankets.

I'd love to see some of the "outtakes" of this roll, as I'm sure there's other shots even worse then this.

Originally posted by jritzmann
Terrax glad ya posted that one, that sealed it for me as far as the scale. Considering the reported size of the WC, the blades of grass would be big enough for use as throw blankets.

I'd love to see some of the "outtakes" of this roll, as I'm sure there's other shots even worse then this.

Did you notice "the thing" on the right? Another "alien craft" or is it simply a piece that fell off? (Again!)

Whitewash ,do you know what species of tree that is in the photo? Also where did you get this image from. Just curious. It doesn't seem to be similar to the trees in the meier photos.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It looks like one of Billy Meier saucers came back to life in the UK.

Some recycled UFOs are showing up by dis info agents.

They must be working overtime.