Is 2012 different to other 'End Time' prophesies?

I learned about the 2012 prophecy through the history channel when they did the special on the mayan civilization. As I researched more, the ancient Egyptians even predicted this same date as the end of the age. Both civilizations living at the same time in history but oceans apart with the same date. Of course the false prophet Nostradamus predicted the same date as doomsday. As a christian, I had to question the date and then I saw another show on history international about the "Bible Code Prophecies" and the things bible codes predict are so compelling. Predicting the Civil War, WW 1 & 2, 9-11, and 2012. The bible code prophecy states that on Dec. 21, 2012 a comet will head toward earth but the hand of God would stop it. This event may usher in the return of Christ but all of this is speculation. I just thought it was interesting how many different backgrounds predict the same date.

The Mayans were not Chrisitans. Their beliefs are based largely on astrology and mysticism. This is idolatry. The 2012 date is based on an astrolgical time table which should have no validity for Christian practitioners. Christians should be cautioned against falling for any new age beliefs such as the Mayan Calendar. It's folly and nonsense. True believers will know what to look for when the time comes.

Originally posted by Timewavezer0plus us passing thru the center of the milky way which is home to many black holes, id say there some stuff behind this date wouldnt you?

Had to have a giggle at that one. If we're going to be passing through the centre of the milky way in the next 4 or so years, this solar system better start doing some serious speeding up. We are about 26,000 light-years from the centre of the galaxy, and we are currently traveling at about 220 km/s around the centre point, I doubt we're going to make it by 2012, we might be a few thousands times the speed of light short in velocity

I know, he misunderstood what is about to happen, but I couldn't help but giggle. Besides, we're only going to by lining up with it, and people are predicting big events like polar shifts, the same thing they were predicting when the planets of the solar system lined up on may 5, 2000, and nothing happened then either, and it was all within our own solar system, our neighbourhood, and not 26,000 light years away.....

www.tkcs-collins.com...

What is coming will all be over before 2012 rolls around.

reply to post by allmhuran


I understand the Mayans predictions coming from astrology. I also stated that as a christian, I questioned the date. Bible code prophecy identifies that same date as a date of God's intervention from the earth's destruction. That prophecy has nothing to do with astrological timetables or the mayan calander.... other than the date. I'm not even saying that I believe it, but my eyes are peeled, just as my mood indicates.

reply to post by doctorex


And we all know you're a Ronald Weinland follower. I respect you and your beliefs, but I hope for your sake, you don't go pre-determining that this guy is telling the truth. Give him his 60 more days to be wrong, and then please let this guy be a false prophet in your book... but give him his 60 more days before doing so.

Hi Rik et al,

are you familiar with my DVD 'Fool me once ...'?

This DVD contains two presentations:

The Hidden Agenda - Recorded July 2006
'Fool me once ...' - Recorded July 2007

In these two presentations I explore the occult belief systems of those who consider themselves to be the rightful rulers of a planetary fiefdom.

I examine the evidence that supports the hypothesis that the inner sanctums of various secret societies have known of the significance surrounding the year 2012 for far longer than awareness of the Mayan Calendar has been in the wider consciousness.

In 'Fool me once...' I addressed the reason why the 'ruling elite' will stage their false flag alien invasion at the London 2012 Olympics and will produce further evidence to support this hypothesis at the 'Now That's Weird' event being staged by Ross Hemsworth of Glastonbury Radio on the weekend of
21st/22nd June 2008.

Link: www.nowthatsweird.co.uk...

Kind regards,

Ian R. Crane
www.foolmeonce.co.uk

Locoman8 wrote:

'As I researched more, the ancient Egyptians even predicted this same date (2012) as the end of the age.'

I would very much appreciate being directed to the source for this information. I have been researching Comparative Mythology and Cosmology for almost ten years now and have not come across any source material which suggests that the Egyptians had any calendrical system which mirrored the Mayan Calendar. Likewise I have not come across any source material which indicates that the Egyptians had insight into the significance of the current period i.e. circa 2012.

With regard to 2012 (re)entering into the wider consciousness, I would welcome being guided to any specific reference that pre-dates the publication of Jose Arguelles Mayan Factor.

In my DVD presentations, (The Hidden Agenda + Fool me once ...) I hypothesise that the 'Brotherhoods' have known about the significance of 2012 for millennia.

Ian R. Crane

reply to post by ianrcrane


Snippet taken from the article: "Apocalypse 2012?" written on February 1, 2007.

According to Plato, the deluge sunk the utopian civilization of Atlantis, an event he dated at 9000 B.C. Although no one has ever proven the island's existence, British author Graham Hancock and Belgium investigator Patrick Geryl think the survivors of Atlantis founded the civilization in Egypt. The Mayans and Hopis may also have descended from the same culture. The theory is backed by hieroglyphs and other evidence found at the Sphinx, Great Pyramids, and Macchu Pichu. There are also remarkable similarities in some of the artwork depicting the Cosmic Mother in the various civilizations. Although a definitive translation of the Egyptian glyphs remains elusive, Geryl insists in The Orion Prophecy that the writings forecast a present-day catastrophe on the same scale.
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If you research the Orion Prophecy, you will learn much about the Egyptian predictions from heiroglyphics. They believed they were the decendents of the Lost City of Atlantis. Google, Orion Prophecy.

Thanks Locoman. The Orion Prophecy is certainly interesting conjecture; conjecture which may indeed have some validity ... but as you correctly acknowledge it doesn't really count as 'source' data.

It is a massive, multi-dimensional jig-saw that we are trying to piece together and I readily acknowledge that some pieces will have to be put together by educated supposition and conjecture. That said, the more pieces that can be traced back to ancient source, the more likely it is that any subsequent supposition will be fairly close to the mark.

As for the poster who questioned the existence of Niburu/Planet X ... we must keep an open mind as to which dimension any 12th Planet may exist in. We also need to keep an open mind as to whether we are still all operating within the constraints of secular, empirical, material 3D consensus reality ... or some people are already 'bridging the worlds'.

Just a thought.

Ian R. Crane

Yes, even the dark side knows its time to reign, and so they have been prophesying their man in their AGE and their ERA quite voficerously.

The Lord gives them their time, and has annointed them to take over, which is why it is useless to fight the NWO and its coming. They will come and yet the light side will be brighter and stronger in mind and heart and shall GATHER and go on til the End. But its not the End of the world just a period called the Great tribulation, for after that the Lord retakes His world for the Millinium.

2012 is simple the mathematical timeline of the Lord's Prophecy.

Details and exactness HERE

www.geocities.com...

reply to post by Davidjayjordan


I too believe that if the date of 2012 is significant, it is simply the time of tribulation or that by next year we will be in the tribulation and the date 2012 will be the date of Christ's return. Bible Code Prophecy depicts the date as the date that God stops a comet from crashing into earth.

Originally posted by Locoman8
And we all know you're a Ronald Weinland follower.

I'm no more a Ron Weinland follower than anybody who listened to the words or Jeremiah was a Jeremiah follower, or any of the prophets. Because I listen to somebody and agree that there is good chance they are telling the truth, doesn't make me their follower, besides, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand......

reply to post by doctorex


It has everything to do with this topic because you.. maybe not an active believer of RW, but a follower of his work possibly being true, would know that the RW timeline doesn't even make it to the year 2012. I believe it's the fall of 2011 in his prophecy. I didn't say that post as a negative remark, just as an assessment because the topic asks about the difference in 2012 and other "end time" prophecies.

reply to post by Locoman8


Okay Locoman, sorry if I took it the wrong way.

reply to post by doctorex


Don't be sorry. I understand how you could take offense because there's a lot of negativity over RW. But back to the topic. I hear the new Indiana Jones film talks about the mayans and area 51, Roswell and stuff like that. Sounds pretty interesting.

I don't hold no respect for "christians". They lie to themselves thinking they are the one's with the ticket to ride as a group. No Group will be making it. People from every group will do well while others from the same group will not do so well.

However it's easy to link the 2012 date to the Biblical book of revelation. This is done with the "Pope Prophecy" of Saint Malachie (sp.). He predicted 111 popes until the "dark pope" that would be in power at the biblical "end times" or "last days" of the book or revelation.

With the new pope we've capped off the 111th pope predicted. Being that the 112th pope was NOT NUMBERED, it is likely that the 111th pope could also be the "Dark Pope", or that the "Dark Pope" gets elected within the tribulation period. Now don't be confused by the term "Dark Pope" as it isn't a condition of being "evil" rather it's a statement that it is that pope that would be in power in the darkest days of the church.

Again I don't respect christians, nor any religion, however to understand the "full package" of 2012 you have to be willing to put all the pieces together. Only upon doing that well does the clearest understanding of the end times events unfold.

Have a happy end of the world!

reply to post by Incarnated


I do take "Dark Pope" as an evil pope because the authority of Pope is outlawed in the bible. Matthew 23:5-12. It basically states that no one have the authority over the church except for Christ as teacher and God as father. Pope or Pontiff is the "human representation of Christ". Where does the catholic church get the authority to deem a man equaly as holy as Christ? You have a problem with christians yet you speak words of a person who follows the catholic faith which was the 2nd of all christian faiths... the first and only true church being the Church of God founded in 31 AD as Christ built his church. You, my friend have just offended the christian community for your words mocking us and then using a catholic prophecy to prove a point about 2012. I have a lot of anger and dislike for the catholic establishment... but the followers of the church are still considered christians an I will defend a christian when someone else calls us all out.

reply to post by Locoman8


again:

If the first one to cast stones must be without sin then no one is getting stoned today.

All will be judged for their own deeds. Worry therefore each of their own deeds and not the deeds of others.

reply to post by Incarnated


Who casted the first stone? I believe it was the person who called out all christians.... the same person who is trying to quote Jesus in the gospels over casting stones. I simply defended myself as a christian from a person who just spoke about haveing no respect for christians though he/she speaks from the bible the christians use. I did not cast the first stone.... you did. I said my peace, now lets get back on topic... and this time let's keep it civil and about prophecy. I don't feel like arguing with someone like you right now over religion.

reply to post by Locoman8



I was not talking about any interaction between you and I. I was talking about your Judgementalisim of another form of "Christianity" in which you've devloped false understandings about due to your assumption of being within the "correct" christianity "church".

You are taking my words as a personal attack. You're not seeing clearly. I didn't say You cast a stone at me but at another from of christianity. Yours is not more rightous then theirs. That's just selfrightous blind foolishness. Only in the end will all the beans be counted.

To assume the "dark pope" equates to "evil" is an act of selfrightiousness and self willed misunderstanding that equates to evil of man.