Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

Originally posted by sizzle
Atheists are always slinging the phrase, "Murdering Christians.' as if there was never any other group of ppl that committed any wrongs. I was pointing out the atrocities that were committed by the so-called white people, in the name of greed and progress. And this had nothing to do with religion. But they conveniently overlook that tidbit.
Interesting, Huh?

If I'm included as a 'they', I didn't. I even apologised for the crimes of my British ancestors, for which I take no responsibility, as they were on tour around the world making an empire.

reply to post by melatonin


Splitting hairs, are we?
Was that really all that you got out of that?
At one time she was making all the talk show circuits.
Phil Donahue just loved her. Course he was an atheist.

Originally posted by sizzle
Splitting hairs, are we?
Was that really all that you got out of that?
At one time she was making all the talk show circuits.

Nah, just a pet peeve of mine. USA =/= world.

Sorry for correcting you. Again, being on talk shows in the US does not a world famous atheist make.

But, of course, trying to be as correct as possible means splitting hairs. On one side is US as the world, t'other all those little insignificant countries with a majority of population that make up the non-world.

Analmuch is my middle name

[edit on 22-3-2008 by melatonin]

I think one of the main reasons we have so many problems in this world today is because of organized religion... There are too many religions and too many versions of the bible... There are lots of people running around confused and deceived... you can try to share with them your experiences, but honestly it's too late for most people... So my suggestion is to let this go and to simply pray for them... Then sit back and watch all the Atheist's get chips in their heads...

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Do you actually have anything to add or just childish nonsense? Christians have been killing Pagans, Jews, Atheists, Muslims, etc....ever since they formed the bogus religion.

Actually, Christians had nothing to do with that. Christians were murdered by Rome for hundreds of years, then Rome created 'Catholicism' and murdered all of the people mentioned.

Seriously, learn history. Try.
....

Atheists didn't spend centuries destroying whole races of people in the name of Jesus.

And neither did Christians...
again, history. Education. Important.

reply to post by NewWorldOver


Oh I get it. the guys in the crusades just said they were christians.. they weren't 'true' christians so it doesn't count..

Originally posted by riley
Oh I get it. the guys in the crusades just said they were christians.. they weren't 'true' christians so it doesn't count..

Pretty much. The Vatican highjacked Christianity and created Catholicism...

Jesus Christ at no point in his life or any of his teachings advocates war... or murder... or even organized religion.

If you ask me, alot of atheists are seriously confused and have no clue what the history of religion is. Snickering and acting arrogant is never going to change that...

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by riley
Oh I get it. the guys in the crusades just said they were christians.. they weren't 'true' christians so it doesn't count..

Pretty much. The Vatican highjacked Christianity and created Catholicism...

Jesus Christ at no point in his life or any of his teachings advocates war... or murder... or even organized religion.

The OT does so who are you to say they weren't christian? It's because of the crusades that christianity became a leading world religion.

If you ask me, alot of atheists are seriously confused and have no clue what the history of religion is. Snickering and acting arrogant is never going to change that...

It is not the fault of atheists that millions of people were killed in the name of Jesus.

YOU are the one rewriting history.. so much so that you have now CHANGED the definition of what a christian is to suit yourself because history is morally inconvenient.
THAT is arrogance [not to mention hypocrisy..].

[edit on 22-3-2008 by riley]

reply to post by NewWorldOver

Christians were murdered by Rome for hundreds of years, then Rome created 'Catholicism' and murdered all of the people mentioned.

Seriously, learn history. Try.

Learn history? Catholics are Christians. You want me to learn something? Then maybe you need to understand that Catholics are Christians. Do they somehow not count because you decided they don't? They are still Christians. Just not the right kind of Christians for you?

And I'm not an Atheist. I believe in God. I just don't believe in religion. But of course, to you people that makes me an Atheist because I don't believe in YOUR religion and I do not believe that Jesus is the son of God.

And sorry dude with the tiger cub for an avatar, I never heard of that woman before and who cares? She was on Phil Donahue, so that makes him an atheist?

[edit on 23-3-2008 by Excitable_Boy]

reply to post by Excitable_Boy
There may be a conspiracy to destroy religion. That wouldn't be good, and I say that as an Atheist. The thing is, those guys plotting and conspiring? It's not because they're atheists that they're plotting,it's because they're nutjobs. Atheism is just the horse they rode in on. Likewise the Inquisition and all that. Nutjobs using a idea to mask their fear,ignorance, and greed.

Nutjob is the key word here,not Atheism.

reply to post by ElectricUncleSam

then sit back and watch all the Atheist's get chips in their heads...

OMG thanks Sam.... I needed a laugh.

Originally posted by riley
It is not the fault of atheists that millions of people were killed in the name of Jesus.

Yeah, and Muslim extremists kill in the name of Allah. But I don't consider every Muslim a ticking bomb.

Jesus has nothing to do with warfare... again, the Vatican and the Roman Catholic power...

Education. Still important.

reply to post by Excitable_Boy


I wish some of you folks would stop calling me a dude. Actually I'm a girl.
And Phil Donahue is a self-proclaimed atheist. He was kicked off the air for saying that people who actually believed that God spoke to them, had rocks in their head. That was a pretty big slap in the face of his christian audience. Because we do believe that God communicates to us through our spirits and he was poking fun. "Bye Phil!"

Btw, I traded in the tiger cub for an elephant. Meet Tiki. And as far as the Protestant/Catholic issue; there are huge differences. Ask any Catholic. They do not want to be compared to us either. But in any case, your pic of the pope does not offend me, because I don't kiss his ring or nothing else. I don't go in a cubicle and tell him my secrets. And I don't believe in religion either. and neither did Jesus. I don't even attend Church.
I just call myself a 'believer. Not a 'fundie,' not a 'charismatic,' nada, nadam nada.

[edit on 24-3-2008 by sizzle]

reply to post by NewWorldOver


...what about that whole "age of religious wars"?
that wasn't the catholics killing people in the name of jesus, that was catholics and protestants killing each other in the name of jesus

the british civil war? another religious conflict, people killing in the name of jesus on both sides.

how about all those natives that were killed by european settlers and missionaries in the name of jesus?

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by riley
It is not the fault of atheists that millions of people were killed in the name of Jesus.

Yeah, and Muslim extremists kill in the name of Allah. But I don't consider every Muslim a ticking bomb.

Jesus has nothing to do with warfare... again, the Vatican and the Roman Catholic power...

Convenient. Are you are saying that catholics [especially catholic soldiers fighting for 'god'] aren't christian now? Thats an ironic judgment to make considering Jesus' teachings on the subject. It's not your place to decide who qualifies as a chistian and who doesn't.. this action in itself rewrites history. The FACT is millions of people were murdered in the pursuit or spreading 'the word' of Jesus.. their blood is what made it [denominations inclusive] such a powerful world religion in the first place.

[edit on 24-3-2008 by riley]

Originally posted by riley


Convenient. Are you are saying that catholics [especially catholic soldiers fighting for 'god'] aren't christian now? Thats an ironic judgment to make considering Jesus' teachings on the subject.

What exactly do YOU think JESHUA taught about warfare?
Because, he did NOT teach us to physically fight. (except our own egos and lusts.)

It's not your place to decide who qualifies as a chistian and who doesn't.. this action in itself rewrites history. The FACT is millions of people were murdered in the persuit or spreading 'the word' of Jesus.. their blood is what made it [denominations inclusive] such a powerful world religion.
[edit on 24-3-2008 by riley]

A powerful world religion for the 'roman' church.
Protestantism teaches AGAINST the dogmas of inquisitions and putting too much faith in man.

Ulrich Zwingli and Zurich’s leaders quickly moved to crush this movement. One reason was purely economic: the church’s list of baptized infants and the state’s tax rolls were one and the same. These rebaptizers were hunted, tortured, and brutally killed -- drowned in rivers or burned at the stake. In the following years, 4,000 Anabaptists were executed, a third of whom were women. Anabaptists sometimes called this martyrdom a “baptism of blood,” and many of their early leaders were killed in this way. In this respect, Menno Simons -- whose followers were later called Mennists or Mennonites -- died a most unusual death: of old age in his own bed.

The more Anabaptists were persecuted, the more their numbers grew. Anabaptism fanned out across Europe, preached by fearless evangelists and traveling craftspeople. We often speak of an Anabaptist vision. In truth, there were many Anabaptist visions across Europe. Some of these visions were inspired and others were dangerous and deluded.

There were splinter groups who thought they had a new Revelation from God, and went power-crazy.
What was a reformation, some took to use it for personal despotism for a 'kingdom of heaven on Earth'.

One of these Anabaptist visions led to tragedy in the North German city of Munster. Anabaptists set up a military theocracy called the “New Jerusalem” -- and defended it with violence and the sword. Their leader John of Leiden was proclaimed king and promptly introduced polygamy. By the time that besieged city was finally retaken in 1535, thousands had starved to death or been slaughtered. As we shall soon see, Munster marked a key turning point in the development of Anabaptism.

[edit on 24-3-2008 by Clearskies]

reply to post by Clearskies


well, he did say he came not to bring peace but to bring the sword....didn't he?

and what about the rest of the bible?
....it kind of glorifies genocide and whatnot

Originally posted by Clearskies

Originally posted by riley


Convenient. Are you are saying that catholics [especially catholic soldiers fighting for 'god'] aren't christian now? Thats an ironic judgment to make considering Jesus' teachings on the subject.

What exactly do YOU think JESHUA taught about warfare?
Because, he did NOT teach us to physically fight. (except our own egos and lusts.)

As Madness said.. you can't just pretend the OT has no moral authority [within that religion] as then you would be presuming yourself morally superior to the god that supposedly started it all "in the begginning". You're basically saying those who follow the OT as well as the NT aren't christian.. even though from a religious point of view they're just following doctrine very well. Catholicism did just that.. when Jesus' teachings didn't serve them politically they'd use the laws of the OT to justify their behaviour.. like killing 'witches' and heathens. To them it was not immoral as it was their eternal soul that was getting saved.. Jesus was important as he was the guy that would save it after their demons had been cast out by fire. It wasn't really genocide.. they were acts of saving people from damnation.

[edit on 24-3-2008 by riley]

The 'sword' is what he meant in that people would hate us for being peculiar. We might even get killed!

The Old Testament commandments in warfare and corporal punishment fall specifically under The Hebrews of that time.
They have no temple , now.
The veil was rent in two at Jeshua's crucification.

reply to post by NewWorldOver

Jesus has nothing to do with warfare... again, the Vatican and the Roman Catholic power...

Education. Still important.

No one said Jesus had anything to do with warfare, but ever since the beginning of the Christian faith, which Jesus also had nothing to do with as he was a Jew, Christians have been "killing in the NAME of Jesus." Killing and saying they are doing it for Jesus. Big difference NWO.

Education. Still important!