BETTY ONG / FLIGHT 11 Was A Mock Hijacking Exercise.

INSIDE JOB???? Bwwaaahahahahahaha... Some one's been watching a little too much Zeitgeist & Loose Change videos. Let me tell you folks who believe 9/11 was an inside job something. You really have to stop listening to college kids with butt loads time on their hands. There is absolutely NO reputable source that will agree with the "inside job" theory. These stupid little college kids sit around and think of retarded ways to create confusion and they come up with things like this... and who believes them?? YOU... HAHAHAHA! Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

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The date in which I sign up has nothing to do with the topic, does it? As for getting too close to the truth... What truth would that be?

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ShaneO

- if I asked you simply to name the one fellow behind the captain in the picture i posted, could do it? Not trying to bust bllz here, just a question from a college kid.

Darn WeedWacker must have left for the night, I was looking forward to hearing his answer.

My own naive understanding of airline procedure makes me question the assertion that on 9/11, four differnt flight crews opened their doors to hijackers.

What are the odds on the same day?

I suppose the same as four building falling from roof to ground.

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Um....doors were not 'opened' to hijackers!! See, this is the kind of disinfo that thrives and needs to be better understood as bunk.

IN those days, a couple determined hard kicks would get through. A Flight Deck door then was hardly sturdier than a lavatory door. Basically an aluminum honey-comb with insulation for rigidity, and some thin decorative laminates for decor.

NOW...things are different, and procedures are different and awareness is enhanced. Techniques that were not in place 6 years ago are used today, stuff I will certainly not talk about.

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Great thanks for the answer,

So you could say then with some assurance that the mace got into the cockpit?

- oh and one more thing, do most of those doors open into the cabin and not the cockpit due to space issues?

-and if the attendant crew could not get into the cockpit (they seemed to indicate that it was locked on this tape right) so the door must have been in decent shape?

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Originally posted by scrapple

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by OrionStars

 

22 years with a major US airline, so I believe I have a little bit of credibility.

HI Weedwacker,

Could you help then inform us back of the bussers under what circumstances you would let someone other than the flight crew into the cockpit?

Thanks
Scrap

Answered already, but for clarification I 'quoted' you again, just so others can see it. Every crewmember is given annual (or in the case of pilots, more frequent) re-current training covering many areas of airline operations, including security.

Based on the previous several decades of hijacking events worldwide we were all taught a common strategy...it certainly doesn't give anything away to tell you that one aspect of that strategy was, naturally, NOT to let bad guys in. However, if intruded, one expected there would be a political agenda of some sort -- not suicide combined with that agenda.

Of course, we now (a little late) hear that there were White House NIEs that were not disseminated to the aviation community...at least, not to us.

The Clinton Administration appears to have been briefed, the Bush Adminstration was in-briefed, continued to get warnings...but no one told us to be wary of such an attack. There's your conspiracy!!

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Dude do you even know how mace is being used? Police officers use mace sprayed away from them and onto others. Hence pepper spray. If mace hurts both the user and the target, then there is no point using the weapon at all.

Originally posted by scrapple
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Great thanks for the answer,

So you could say then with some assurance that the mace got into the cockpit?

- oh and one more thing, do most of those doors open into the cabin and not the cockpit due to space issues?

-and if the attendant crew could not get into the cockpit (they seemed to indicate that it was locked on this tape right) so the door must have been in decent shape?

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I know nothing about mace. Do you assert it was snuck through Security in Boston? First I've heard of that...

The B767 door opens forward, into the cockpit. There is an 8 inch, or so, step down. The B757 door opens aft, there is an 8 inch, or so, step up. Really, you can look this stuff up at Boeing, it's not top secret.

The puzzling thing about not being able to get in is...every F/A was issued a key, back then. Of course, one could imagine two dead pilots, two hijackers, one flying while the other blocked the door...and the other three subdued the cabin and passengers (and the F/As).

Back then it wasn't likely there would be an Rambos jumping up to help, and there would be a lot of confusion.

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-and if the attendant crew could not get into the cockpit (they seemed to indicate that it was locked on this tape right) so the door must have been in decent shape?

Don't assume that the doors were kicked in to gain access to the cockpit.

American Airlines flight attendants had keys on them during the flight and United Airlines stored a cockpit door key in the overhead bin in the first-class compartment.

A federal regulation required that airlines make cockpit door keys available to flight attendants so that they could gain access to the cockpit in case of an emergency. The regulation came about after an onboard fire on a DC-9 in 1996 where the flight attendants could not make contact with the flight deck because the engine explosion severed the communication lines between the two compartments.

Can't imagine hijackers doing that. Allah Akbar.

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I know nothing about mace. Do you assert it was snuck through Security in Boston? First I've heard of that...

The official story says there was mace, so it doesn't really matter if/how it was snuck in.
The point is that in reality the presence of mace is not really believable, if you look at the details of the hijack call.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by scrapple

 

Um....doors were not 'opened' to hijackers!! See, this is the kind of disinfo that thrives and needs to be better understood as bunk.

IN those days, a couple determined hard kicks would get through. A Flight Deck door then was hardly sturdier than a lavatory door. Basically an aluminum honey-comb with insulation for rigidity, and some thin decorative laminates for decor.

NOW...things are different, and procedures are different and awareness is enhanced. Techniques that were not in place 6 years ago are used today, stuff I will certainly not talk about.

reply to post by weedwhacker


And not one of 4 pilots had the professionalism and steady nerves to notify one FAA ground control, with people trying to kick in the cockpit doors. The cabin crew is certainly not going to be kicking in doors, and they can call from the back to the cockpit if a door is stuck or locked.

If it is the case as you strongly imply all happening on one day on four different alleged flights, perhaps we should all stop flying and take a boat, train or bus when we wish to leave the driving to someone else.

Sorry for the off topic, but it doesn't seem more than right to me, if the other post gets removed to. I see him breaking the same rules that I have to follow.

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The official story says there was mace, so it doesn't really matter if/how it was snuck in.
The point is that in reality the presence of mace is not really believable, if you look at the details of the hijack call.

Well.... Yeah.... besides the fact that the person making the phone call says that there was.

I can't understand why conspiracy believers get hung up on the mace claim.

So, the impossibly vast conspiracy planners can manufacture all the events of 9/11 and then mess up the script and give the whole thing away by claiming something happened that is unbelievable? How does mace on the airplane prove a conspiracy?

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It proves nothing, I was just pointing out the point being made, cause he didn't know it.

And well, if the calls are real, then her claims of mace must be real to.

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Orion, it would not have been the first instinct to immediately call the Center if there is an intrusion. I didn't want to mention the keys again, but someone else did already. AN unannounced entry, with your back towards the door...if a key was used, you'd likely not even hear it. Wouldn't take but a second to be caught by surprise. Even IF there was a commotion at the door, first thing (back then) was we'd look at each other, look back and say 'WTF' is that? We'd likely get on the interphone to call an F/A to ask if there is a problem with a passenger...calling the Center would come after the situation was assessed and managed.

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The doors are made of aluminum in any part of the cockpit door? Or are they make of thin gauge steel framing inside, and heavier gauge steel framing around the perimeter of the doors? The door frames which hold the doors, aren't those also make of steel framing as well? I am referring to those planes alleged to be used on 9/11/2001. Aluminum tends to warp, bend, crease and crimp with the least little bang into it. But it does not break, unless it is extremely thin gauge like aluminum foil or cut with something besides box cutters.

According to one report, alleged hijackers were using a steel trolley to bash a door that opens to the outside on the outside. Bad move on any door steel trolly or not. I have wondered since then if the alleged hijacker fell on his rump when meeting any alleged door with an alleged trolley at any speed.

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Since when don't pilots notify a center when suspected intrusion into cockpit is being done? When did that change?