How "the law of attraction" works

reply to post by Avocado



Nice thoughts. In my current state of mind, I see no disagreements. Not that one has any reason to want to agree with me.

My last comments before I leave for this evening. - When you said "divide up our power to attract" you make it sound as if there is some limitation to the amount of power. Within every particule, no matter how tiny, there is an infinite vastness of potential that is not restricted to the confines of time or space.

This abundance allows us to tap infinity, if that were in our capability. We are limited by our personal attibutes.

Matter is made up of energy.

Energy is the dynamic force, it shapes, and drives matter.

Mind Substance defines the shape and purpose of energy.

Spirit exists as the most subtle of the 4, making up, and driving Mind Substance.

While at each stage, the form and qualities change, there is not a change in the quantity.

Matter is the body of God, Energy is the breath of God, Mind Substance is the Mind of God, Spirit is the Spirit of God. Everything that exists makes up the infinite abundance of the collective force that drives and permeates everything.

The more accurate our beliefs, the more developed our virtues, the less resistance in our efforts, the more profound our manifestation of infinity. How much of this vast potential can we tap into? It is only limited by our own capacity, which is evolving at every instant, either growing or deteriorating.

reply to post by Avocado
I think I understand the question you can't find. Are you asking who has more control or power to create? the individual desire or the group desire? Can one override the other? Is this what you mean?

In just one half day of my experiment, I have found that there are many words and phrases I will not be using anymore. I just used can't above. Bad word, bad word. Just because I am "having my dream house" doesn't mean I can't read what you guys are saying. I can be in this state even on the computer. I could be good at this. Yee haw!!

edited to add I am good at this. rephrasing is kind of annoying, but I will get used to it.

[edit on 4-6-2008 by seagrass]

reply to post by Avocado


I´d just like to add: The limitations we do set or allow or the limitations we allow society to impose on us, serve a purpose.

The question of "where are the limits?" does pop up often in this field of research. But frequently this question is accompanied by the inherent but half-hidden assumption that it would be desirable to have no limitations whatsoever and to be in 100% control.

My opinion is, that this is not desirable if I want to be a human within the context of this planet and within the context of society.

Focusing on something (creation) implies limiting yourself to that thing. Thats one of the benefits of limitation: From all-that-is you filter out one single aspect, limit yourself to that aspect of infinity, in order to experience it. Have zero limitations and you experience everything and nothing at the same time without savouring the detailed single-experience.

So while it would (imo) be possible to release beliefs that mass-consciousness holds, it would remove you from mass-consciousness to an extent where you would no longer function as a human on earth but fly away. Certainly, presupposing you came here by choice, you wouldnt want to go away too soon.

So, keeping some of those "limiting" beliefs in place is OK...we do that if we dont want to disturb certain realities we cherish, such as "I am a human, living on this planet". Start messing with super-deep mass-beliefs and those realities get disturbed.

Maturity would be to not constantly test the limits of being, like a rebellious teenager, but to rest comfortably in the knowing-ness of it being alright and good to be here, now, today, in this life. To expand the limits a little bit, gently and playfully. "Not testing God but cooperating with God" so to speak.

reply to post by Skyfloating


You nailed it. Your post left me with a few thoughts.

Is the statement “belief creates reality” a two-way street, where knowing someone’s reality creates belief? With respect to the Law of Attraction, is knowing separable from believing?

Is it possible to know of other people—their beliefs, their natures, their realities—and also be 100% at the helm of your own reality? Is knowledge an antagonist to spirituality? On the other hand, do we need this common grounds of belief, manifested as today’s reality, to interact with our neighbors, and to survive as a species? Maybe today’s ratio between individual and collective control is the result of a natural, evolutionary process that is leading us somewhere…

I choose to believe that, over the long term, humanity’s power of conscious creation is shifting from groups to individuals. Each day, as individuals hone their spiritual acuity, by believing (knowing?) less the imposing, collective realities of their peers, they inch closer to the realm of absolute creation, of unimpeded flow of belief into reality. Is this not what we all seek for ourselves and others—a heaven of sorts?

Originally posted by Avocado
With respect to the Law of Attraction, is knowing separable from believing?

Opinion (and my opinion only!):

Knowledge/Belief are two density-levels of the same thing. Not knowing about something makes it a bit easier not to experience that.

I continue to be suprised at how this philosophy appears to be affecting my quality of life. Thanks to the people behind the Secret for putting it all together for me. The blessings I am getting seem to be tailor made as they are specific to my knowledge base, meaning, to others the blessings may look like a burden but to me they are quite desired and have begun to change my life immediatly.

blessings

reply to post by stikkinikki


I believe it is the one philosophy that lets us know God as he is within us. It is highly rejected by any undeveloped soul and there is a clear reason. If we accept that we are creators with the knowledge of Good and Evil within us, we are forced to take accountability for our actions. All of them.

The ones who reject the philosophy refuse to be accountable for very little in their lives as well.

reply to post by Skyfloating


The standard framework is about all most people are really ready for.

Good Points

Originally posted by Illahee
The standard framework is about all most people are really ready for.

On a website where people create the reality "I am enslaved, the government controls everything" on a daily basis, Im not about to post anything other than the basics

Yes indeed...focussing on what is useful and applicable in daily life.

Since I am not working on the big project I thought I would share this bit of change I recently had go on. I have a very old odd ball brand m1 carbine I have had since I was a kid. Worn out when I got it, it had become very dangerous and fired from battery. (Fired a bullet when the gun was still open) The cause was fully worn out parts that bypassed the safety mechanism. In one incident I almost lost my sight so it was put away with a lock on it to gather dust. I added some parts about 15 years ago when my wife and I first met and she asked me about it two months ago as to why I never fixed it all the way and still kept it around, so I decided to find someone who knew the repair process. From what the internet said it was a lost cause and the parts I found, sold used for more than the rifle was worth. Still it took me back to some early days when I worked with poor kids at a local rifle range. It was expensive but we supplied them with what they needed to be able to show up with the other rich kids and no one was any the wiser. I felt a rush of good feelings remembering those days at the range and decided I would fix it myself. After I priced the parts my wife asked why I didn't just order them and fix it so we could go to the range together. At that point i replied: 'I shouldn't have to" and went back with what I was doing. That old rifle had some sentimental value alright, even if I didn't want to admit it.

Well I opened it up on monday and the worn out parts were, for lack of better words 'restored' The same scratches and marks so I know they are the same pieces, and I know I saw them recently and they were worn out completely and now they show no signs at all of wear

I followed through with the recommended safety testing and it refused to fire a primer cap from an open bolt even when I tried my best to cause it by helping it along, while checking headspacing.

I know this is hard to explain so here is a link. It showed up recently and one of the few completed pages was the one with these pictures, and information for my very very specific problem, which is now gone.

www.m1carbinesinc.com...

The 5th and 6th pictures down on the page show what happened. Mine is the one on the left of both. And these are the before and after pictures of exactly what happened to mine. (not my pictures)The only difference is mine has a new coat of finish on the good one now with just minor scratching to the color. about two months ago it looked like the damaged one in the picture with no blueing at all. It had been in a closet for over 30 years with the worn out parts and I recently looked at them to know which ones to order, and the were still worn out and just before ordering the new ones, well now we don't need them.

So what are the limits? Self healing hardened steel? There don't appear to be any from my perspective.

Going to the rifle range with my wife in two weeks. Just thought I would share this one, even if it is a little advanced.

OK so I fudged a decade or so there its been about 40 years I suppose. I have decide to never grow old now.......

reply to post by Illahee


Great story Illahee. Thanks for sharing. So you knew that you wouldn't have to order the replacement parts?

At the moment I said I shouldn't have to, it was probably done already. I showed my wife what was wrong with them so she knows how bad they were, a little worse than the picture but close. This is sort of advanced work and in this case was intended internally but was not a conscious thought one way or the other. My wife next question after she saw the restored parts was why I just didn't do the same thing and get a new rifle. Of course there was great sentiment tied to this one so it may have been the motivator of the change. My Wife always thought that when you went to the range it was all guys and no girls but we stopped by one in passing a couple months ago and she saw it was about half and half and the were ladies leagues and so on. That is why she was interested a couple months ago and why I decided to either fix it or get rid of it before anyone got injured.

The odd thing was the website thats only half finished and they would start with the exact topic I was looking for after not finding anything at all for a couple of months.

Now she is excited to go so it was all so worth it.

[edit on 5-6-2008 by Illahee]

reply to post by Illahee


Nothing too advanced for a force that creates entire universes.

Great story.

Any one feeling up to a live fire test?

SkyFloating, Illusions, Vanitas, Bandit, SC and all of rest of the real workers on this forum?

Think about it and let me know.

I am SO sorry for not having noticed this sooner, Illahee.
I hope you didn't take my lack of response for plain indifference.

If I can help in any way, however minor, I'll gladly do so.

Originally posted by maria_stardust

In essence, there were alot of negative vibes sent my way.

Do these negative vibes affect in any way the positive impact I'm trying to make in my life?

I personally would remember that it could not exist "out there" unless it existed somewhere in YOU first.

"Others" and their reaction to you, their behaviors in your presence are like your own reflection in a mirror. "Others" reflect to us those elements of our own being, our own Self that we refuse to acknowledge in our "mind self" that self that we think we are. People who believe themselves to be "good" and "nice" often have repressed or are in denial about their own aggressive tendencies, their own negativity. So it is reflected to them by "others" in order that they have the opportunity to accept rather than reject those qualities, and in doing so, bring them into balance and harmony so that they are again part of an integrated whole, and moderated.

Good/Evil are two sides, two aspects, two points of view about ONE thing that is fundamentally indivisible. You, as an individual can no more separate out the things you judge to be "bad" or "negative" about yourself than you can separate day from night. There is a reason so many of the ancient teachers, including Jesus, warned about the danger of judgment itself, not the danger of "evil." Buddha called it the "middle path." The staying away from the polarization of "duality," which is judgment.

Accepting negativity allows you to apply a remedy to it. Rejecting negativity only worsens it. The more "unloved" and rejected that element is, the more fearful it becomes, and the more aggressively it manifests. Acceptance, (another word for Love) of that element soothes it, pulling it in, rather than pushing it away, love calms it, mitigates it. Think about an aggressive, fearful child, you dont banish it, reject it, push it away and expect it to get all better on its own in isolation. (Or maybe you do, a surprising number of people do behave that way) you bring it in to your lap, you hold it tight and you soothe it, calm it down, reassure it that it is loved and everything is ok.

Seeing negativity "out there" in the world offers you the opportunity to integrate and accept that element of yourself, rather than be in denial about it. Therefore, it is a gift when it manifests in your "mirror." If "what you resist persists" or, in my own view, if denying "what is" is futile, then your wish or stated intent to be a more balanced and peaceful individual is being answered by that negativity appearing in your mirror. It is another opportunity to integrate it in yourself, by observing it, by really seeing it for what it is; fear of rejection, fear of separation from the Oneness, the Divine unity.

This doesnt mean you have to go hug the person calling you names, that would be phony, fake, and a misunderstanding of how to use the mirror effectively. Instead, only look and work within. Find the elements of yourself that flare up when dealing with "negative others" and soothe them. Only work inside. On YOUR Self. Avoid doing what Jesus called;
"taking the speck out of your brothers eye while ignoring the beam in your own." (I paraphrase.)

Avoid trying to rub a smudge off your face by rubbing your reflection in the mirror. You can rub and clean all you want, but if the smudge is on what is reflected, rubbing the reflection is futile.

Over the past few weeks i have tried to resolve these issues within myself and the conflicts i have with the Catholic schooling i had and what things I am therefore allowed to "believe".

I don't know if you're still around, AP, but there is something essential, in my opinion, that I forgot to tell you; and maybe others will benefit, too, so here it goes.

It appears quite clear that those who tried to inculcate the precepts of Christianity in you did not do their job well (and I am sure they had the best intentions, it's just that those are not enough) - or you would not have grown up knowing fear. Fear is against Christ's precepts, as those who taught you should have known and experienced themselves, had they just read the Word.

However, I think that negating and revolting against your own religious/cultural tradition and see only bad things in it would be not only unproductive (not to mention a very painful and lengthy process!), but it might delay and even deviate your path to successful LOA implementation (if I may use such an obnoxiously technical - nay, technological - term).

You see, by having been raised in the Catholic tradition, you have - or should have - an advantage that can't be bought for love or money: being steeped in a tradition that not only accepts concepts such as transmutation of physical bodies, but bases its entire being on precisely those concepts. There is nothing in alchemy, for example, that you cannot find in the most basic concepts of Christianity (and especially the Catholic tradition).

The fact is that without profound belief in the possibility of transcending the physical constraints of the "daily life" successful interplay with the metaphysics of Life is impossible. Many people on this board - and elsewhere, of course - go through great pains to try to achieve that initial and indispensable state of mind that you have been given by your spiritual tradition.

Also: something or someone does not have to be perfect to be listened to where it matters. For example, Tertullian, the early Christian writer, could justifiably be considered as a misogynist (a true one, not just by today's hyper po-co standards), and thereby anti-Christian in his attitude. That part of his work and personality I denounce. But that doesn't stop me from being a fervent adherent to something else he said, which I consider to be one of the great thoughts of all times (and certainly my own credo):

Credo quia absurdum est.

I believe because it is absurd.
(The emphasis is mine.)


The thoughts above may seem overly simplistic. And maybe they are.
But I think simple truths bear repeating - precisely because they are so often overlooked.









[edit on 5-6-2008 by Vanitas]

Originally posted by Avocado

To rephrase: are we limited to practicing LoA to its greatest efficacy within the restraints set out by our own prejudices, society’s, or a combination of both? (belief/prejudice/expectation etc are all so interchangeable in this context! We need a new word!)

You are limited in your practice of the LoA by your understanding of who "you" are. If you truly "knew thyself" you would find no limits, because there would be no "others," no society, etc.

reply to post by Vanitas


No worries, If you want to start now its perfectly fine. Do so in your own method at your own pace. My payoff is being able to ask questions at the conclusion, and I am not taking an active part, just observing and reporting.


Also:
Any one that wants to may start at any time just let the folks here know so we can recover the data later on. You may report via u2u if you like when its over and not post if that is your choice.

I believe we may want a follow up test or two involving others who remain observer/reporters as well.