Special Forces Convo : Originally Called 'For all those people who think the American Special Force

Browha...got it. I misunderstood the wake up comment to Namecaller_the_Elf.

Speaking of which:

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Little things please little minds.

Personal attacks I see are high with you. Guess that helps when you don't have all the facts.

Anyway, maybe get a book...study some doctrines or establised tactics of any elite force in the world. Suicide tactics are not "planned".

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander

I don't even need to contradict this statement. Was good for a morning funny.

well actually this was directed at you:
we like helping you wake up

so hehehehe

Browha, thats what youre not getting.

Ypoure assuming the British Military and American military run on the same wavelength. Wrong.

A simple look at various American engagements will show you my point is quite valid. Americans do not practice the "discretion is sometimes the better part of valor" adage. Just look at our past engagements and # weve gotten into. Look at the huge casualties we have taken in the past for relatively minor engagements. Then you will see. You pretty much stay there and take rounds and throw rounds back until they tell you you can stop.

Anyone who has been in the military knows your life and well being are low priorities. You can be replaced. Expendable.

The British military works more careful and prescisionlike, the American military has always worked like a battering ram, big, blunt, and crushing, the British, like a stilleto, more direct, precise, and aimed.

Does that explain anything?

Yeah I suppose
Dare say Zedd will come out with a reply though

Nope. If you want to compare some poorly planned situations of regular forces to elite force tactics...cool with me.

No, Zeeke, im talking about elite forces.

Anyway, Browha, look at it, it doesnt take much thought to see thats how it operates.

Welcome to American culture and politics

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
No, Zeeke, im talking about elite forces.

Anyway, Browha, look at it, it doesnt take much thought to see thats how it operates.

Welcome to American culture and politics

Ok...third time with the name. Childish to say the least.
Not only that, you don't know elite force tactics at all and continually prove it.

It sure would be nice to discuss that with you, but gee whats next? Maybe swearing at me? Pulling my hair?

Big time child.

Well, get a clue about elite force tactics. You sound like a pencil-pushing 3C to me.

Just so you know, everything I know about special forces tactics are taken right out of books written by ex-members, and sometimes (only sometimes when it seems realistic) from ficticious books... Not like counter-strke, swat, etc...
though close combat series are good for helping you to devise your own tactics on..

I know several American and British special op forces, and the train with each other to the point that they are almost the same.

Read the book The Hunt for Bin Ladin, it shows just how good US special forces really are.

The SEALs are also not the top tier of our forces, there are organizations that are far more selective and far more specialized

LOL! They set WAY more than 1 into Iraq! The pre-emptive strike on Iraq was performed BY NAVY S.E.A.L.S. They destroyed a key installation, and yes, it was a full SEAL unit. LoL, yeah, if the U.S. is not-so-elite, how come they are the most powerful country in the world?

-wD

we've talked about this =p
because you dont have to judge power by ability of special forces.. there are a LOT of other factors

Originally posted by browha
we've talked about this =p
because you dont have to judge power by ability of special forces.. there are a LOT of other factors

Maybe more members of the illu' per capita, resulting in a wider and
more powerful global 'influence'. Just a thought

Who the hell said that America was the most powerful in the world?
Just because it has some technology, troops and 'elite-forces' doesn't mean it is the best.

If it weren't for the countries who have AND still are helping America, America would be like Nigeria or some other African country.

It would have barely any money and no troops at all. Look at the major wars that America has fought:

Civil War- The people were fighting, not the army, plus
didn't know how to fight
WWI- America wasn't even affected so dont worry

WWII- America sent in a couple of paratroopers when
war was about to finish
Japan- If it weren't for the Germans who gave the idea
of how to build the nuke, and if it weren't
backed up by Australia, it would have been easily
over run and there would be no such thing as it!
Gulf War- wasn't even a proper war because America
gave weapons to Iraq to fight Iran and then
they said that they should go to war with Iraq
because they fought Iran

F.U.C.K man how stupid could these people who say America is the strongest be. America is WEAK! Seriously WEAK!


Oh yeah and America's elite forces SUCK!! They TOTALLY SUCK!
They do crap people! Big deal, they sent in a couple of SEALS into Iraq. but guess what, the soldiers surrendered. So how can u use that as an example!!

Also, the SAS and elite troops units were devised by the BRITISH and not the USA.
Also, the US sends in about 10-15 elites in one group. That is not an elite team because if they were, they wouldn't have to rely on so many soldiers. An elite tema consists of max 3-6 troops.

just saying this if your the most powerful country in the world then why are u fighting countries that dont have a snowballs chance @ fighting back?
why havnt you disarmed ur nukes THERE IS NO NEED FOR THEM they will kill us all if used
also PLEASE tell me who taught your troops freind/foe definitions cause in our eyes THEY FAILED BADLY
the US has got some good points the fact that they can get anything anytime anywhere and the fact is that they can build a damm good helicpoter
anyway who am i 2 judge the US

Originally posted by revenge
Who the hell said that America was the most powerful in the world?
Just because it has some technology, troops and 'elite-forces' doesn't mean it is the best.

If it weren't for the countries who have AND still are helping America, America would be like Nigeria or some other African country.

It would have barely any money and no troops at all. Look at the major wars that America has fought:

Civil War- The people were fighting, not the army, plus
didn't know how to fight
WWI- America wasn't even affected so dont worry

WWII- America sent in a couple of paratroopers when
war was about to finish
Japan- If it weren't for the Germans who gave the idea
of how to build the nuke, and if it weren't
backed up by Australia, it would have been easily
over run and there would be no such thing as it!
Gulf War- wasn't even a proper war because America
gave weapons to Iraq to fight Iran and then
they said that they should go to war with Iraq
because they fought Iran

F.U.C.K man how stupid could these people who say America is the strongest be. America is WEAK! Seriously WEAK!


Oh yeah and America's elite forces SUCK!! They TOTALLY SUCK!
They do crap people! Big deal, they sent in a couple of SEALS into Iraq. but guess what, the soldiers surrendered. So how can u use that as an example!!

Also, the SAS and elite troops units were devised by the BRITISH and not the USA.
Also, the US sends in about 10-15 elites in one group. That is not an elite team because if they were, they wouldn't have to rely on so many soldiers. An elite tema consists of max 3-6 troops.

Why would you say that the powerful United States are weak? Why don't you think about what you just said.

yeah typical american attitude "we are great we dont need to change or work on our friend/foe ID " also 1 point what happned between ww2 and vietnam 2 ur troops. u guys in ww2 were great u never hit our troops we liked u then after vietnam u guys sucked

People please trust me It is an absolute fact that there were spec ops in both gulf wars. If not seal i know that there was Delta there. I know many delta members and they have indirectly told me they were there along with theyre company. And yes they are bad ass as hell. Do no screw with american spec ops they will F u up.

Oh btw of course they train with each other its for the good of both sides. Like stated before we hoave th power and they have the stanima. And even if delta is a molded image of SAS thats not sayin much because its merely a unit that is needed in a worl of teroorism the british where just the first country to have it.

Meingha, The Navy Seals are the best. My uncles friend was a Recon for the Marines. He said that the Seals could have took out 5 of them with or without guns. And he said there the best in the world.

I couldn't agree with you more ^
And as for my father who commanded the entire Eastern Hemisphere of the globe as a Commodore for Inshore Undersea Warfare Group 2, with SEALS under his command, he said that the Marine Recon Teams are damn good, and he always holds Marines in high regards. So if a Marine said this, it is not an opinion to be taken lightly.

[Edited on 2-15-2004 by TheAgentNineteen]

"WWII- America sent in a couple of paratroopers when
war was about to finish"

-revenge

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? lmao man! A couple paratroopers when the war was about to finish?! LOL! America was attacked by Japan December, 7th, 1941. The war ended in 1945. The war began in 1939. Yeah, the war was really over! lol..get your facts straight dude. Hm..whats that day I am thinking of? That day where over 150,000 American troops stormed the beaches in...hmm..whats it called again? Oh yeah, Operation Overlord - D-Day. The beginning of the end for the Nazi Regime. Yeah, its more than a "few paratroopers" Four years of fighting compared to six doesn't seem like too much of a difference. Get your facts straight buddy, before making yourself look like a complete idiot. General Dwight D. Eisenhower - considered one of the best generals EVER, led that attack. Yeah, the U.S. contributed greatly to the fight. "A country like Nigeria" Yeah..sure buddy, whatever you say. Where do you live? If you live in the U.S., your a sorry excuse for a citizen, because you obviously no nothing about how our economy works. It works WAY differently than the likes of Nigeria or "other African countries" Do your homework before taking the test, buddy.
The country that probably gave the most was the USSR, totally a number of 12 million military casualties, and 17 million civilian casualties during the war. Hats off to them. And, to your comment about the U.S. not being the most powerful country in the world, lol, so who is? Britain? They would be nowhere without us. Who? Russia? They are on the rebound, but, without the Soviet Union getting back together, they have nothing more than a bunch of rogue, ignorant countries who hate eachother 24/7. Let us look at the stats of the U.S. The U.S. controls the world. Why? Because all countries that mean anything in this world are compared to the U.S. Dollar. Money = everything nowadays. You control the money, you control society. And yes, the U.S. dollar is the standard in the world. The English language is the biggest 2nd taken language in the world (For example, you are Chinese, you are most likely to know fluent English) The Technology: Yes, the most advanced at the present time. Ever heard of the Star Wars System? Able to shoot missiles out of the sky within seconds of finding them via sattelites in the sky? Yeah, lets see your "powerful country" do that? Sure, buddy, keep thinking what you want, but, in the end, even other countries admit the U.S. is the biggest boy on the block. Any country will admit that, love us or hate us. Germany will, France will, Russia will, AFRICA will, any of 'em.

Yes, the U.S. does lack in the education department. I will give you that. BUT! That can be fixed. And is being worked on. You just got ripped a new one bro.

Oh, and in case you want proof for all D-Day stats, look here:

D-Day Stats

Have a nice day.

EDIT: "u guys sucked"

Sucked? Sucked at what? We were pushed out of Vietnam, not because of their military strength, but because that they knew the land, and, because the M16A1 at the time kept getting jammed - unfortunately it was the standard infantry rifle at the time. The M4A1 solved that problem. Sucked? What else did we lose? lol, not too much. Lets look at the track record, here buddy.

Revolutionary War - U.S. defeated Britain (Who was the most powerful country in the world)

1 - 0

Civil War - North vs. South. The Union won that war, but that was a bad war, does not count.

1 - 0

What comes next? The war of 1812 I suppose? U.S. defeated Britain again.

2 - 0

What is next? Mexican-American war. Spanish controlled Mexico was defeated by the Union of the United States of America, in 2 years. The Mexican's suffered an embarrassing defeat to a "weak country"

3 - 0

Hmm..next comes the 1900's. WW1. Nazi's first attempt at world domination. This was an Ally victory (U.S. were allies) U.S. didn't contribute much to this war, but still helped out for a few years.

4 - 0

WW2: U.S./Britain/Russia were key players here. A tough war, six years long. Allies, again, win against the Axis powers.

5 - 0

Next: Korean War. Can't be considered a victory nor a loss. The U.S. stepped in on the South's side during their fight vs the Communist North. The South ended up staying the same, same with North. No one wins here. U.S. returned home, N.K. loses power, Communism is on the downfall.

6 - 0

Next: Vietnam. What can be considered the ONLY loss in American history. And some don't even consider it a loss or victory. The U.S. fell back after realizing that they played (strategically) the war in the wrong way, hence losing man after man. Vietnam played the land good, even being the weaker power militarily, they ended up holding off the U.S. for a loss/tie. Let's consider it a loss for your sake.

6 - 1

Next: Grenada/Panama conflicts. Not very big, but the U.S. easily defeated the opposing forces here.

8 - 1

Next: Gulf War 1. Saddam Hussein's regime invades Kuwait. The U.S. steps in, defeats Hussein's regime without too much problem.

9 - 1

Next: Somalia. The most famous of this conflict being the popular "Black Hawk Down", we we're, by the U.N. to send aid to Somalia. We did, Somalia refused the aid. The black hawk down incident, technically, should be considered victory, because the roots of the mission, getting the warlord, suceeded, but a dozen or so U.S. Rangers/ Delta Force lost their lives for the victory. In general, it was considered a loss because Rangers/Delta "leave no men behind" In their eyes, it was a loss, in the U.N./U.S.'s eyes, it was no result, because the U.N. officially ended aid to Somalia, and the U.S. was simply following its' orders.

Still 9 - 1

Next: Balkans' Incident. President Bill Clinton pushed for U.N. support for this action. U.N. approved, U.S. stepped in to defeat the regime their. Not too much of a problem, another victory.

10 - 1.

Finally, "Operation: Iraqi Freedom" We all know the story to this one, whether or not it is conspiracy. Either way, it is a U.S. victory. Saddam Hussein is apprehended, U.S. victory.

11 - 1.

Wow, buddy, a good track record. lol Obviously we didn't "suck" Another one, get your facts straight before saying something ignorant, OK?

Have a nice day

-wD



[Edited on 15-2-2004 by WeBDeviL]