!!!Mars Blue Sky & Water!!!

reply to post by avingard


avingard,

you said it well...a little angrily (smile), but very well nonetheless!

Anyone have any theories on this dust plume?

Originally posted by rolotommasi

Anyone have any theories on this dust plume?

it is from a life form or a natural geologic process.

This picture is in deed very intriguing. I happened to notice what appeared to be a trail or dug in trench to the mid right of the picture not too far from the rover. Judging on the size and the absence of freshly stirred soil, I would bet that those dug in lines have been there for a while and there could only be a few answers for it existing: 1) The rover dug it up on a previous mission to mars 2) there is in fact water on mars and that is a dried up creek 3) it was dug by humans...
I know that there is no way those geometrically shaped lines could have formed naturally unless it was water or the bizarre moving of the rocks in that desert in california but other than that, it would have to be even more rare for those tracks to form naturally

reply to post by rolotommasi


I dont think it looks that much like a dust plume. To me it looks like one of the faces of the rock. I may be wrong but if the moon had no atmosphere wouldnt a dust plume be an impossibility? (Cue discussion about whether the moon has an atmoshere or not! John, care to join us?)

Its a simple process (to those who know how to manipulate Photoshop) to take the Rover's colour calibration or indeed earth made parts that have a known colour e.g. There is a very distinctive 'yellow' cable that Mr. Hoagland from 'The Enterprise mission' used to demonstrate the obvious NASA colour changing and proved that the photo that was posted in this thread is the REAL colour complete with ‘Blue’ sky!

This completely blows the Carl Sagan explanation 'Oh, it was a silly mistake from non-technical people who don't know what its really like on Mars'!

Carl was probably just another disinformation agent (known or unknown) for the NASA elite?

Given the amount of money a Mars rover costs why don't they have a $1000 digital camera with auto white balance, auto exposure, auto freecking everything. They take wonderful photographs these days to the extent that you no longer get the accidental yellow indoors photos!! Such a camera would take a photo that looks how we would see Mars with our own eyes. For such a cheap addition the benefits are huge.

In order to determine if there are any anomolous objects on the surface of Mars you have to have a very clear image i.e. one where the "object" is not blurred even after enlargement. The moment you have any blurring then we are entering ink blot territory!

With any panoramic view you need to know the filters used in order to determine if the colours are accurate. Please note that anyone can indeed enhance blue/green/yellow filters in favour of red to make "their" point but, and this is a biggy: take a look at the close-up photos issued by NASA themselves taken with filter combination L4 L5 L5 L5 L6 they are most definitely not red but for some strange reason the few panoramic views with that same combination are.....hmmmm fishy. One things for certain there is no way that blue tape wrapped around white cable can be anything but blue+white if taken with the aforementioned filter combination. This is the giveaway if any manipulation has taken place.

Mars was indeed once inhabited until one day they got Internet, a great sight was begun, AbovetopsecretMars.zorb and everyone began to post their own opinions until civil war broke out and the population was destroyed.

Yep, that is what happened for sure.

Originally posted by malcr
Given the amount of money a Mars rover costs why don't they have a $1000 digital camera with auto white balance, auto exposure, auto freecking everything. They take wonderful photographs these days to the extent that you no longer get the accidental yellow indoors photos!! Such a camera would take a photo that looks how we would see Mars with our own eyes. For such a cheap addition the benefits are huge.

If the camera survived the journey, using auto settings is the best way of making photos that look good but that are not the best possible, any photographer knows that, even an amateur.

Also, the idea is not to take tourist photos of Mars, the idea is getting data that has scientific value, that is one of the reasons they have ultraviolet and infrared filters and why they use independent filters (and sometimes even independet sensors, I don't remember if that is the case with the rovers).

take a look at the close-up photos issued by NASA themselves taken with filter combination L4 L5 L5 L5 L6 they are most definitely not red but for some strange reason the few panoramic views with that same combination are.....hmmmm fishy.

Could you point me one of those NASA photos made with that L4 L5 L5 L5 L6 combination?

I don't remember seeing any NASA photo saying that they used those filters in that way.

Edit: I forgot to say it is true that adding the images from the L2, L5 and L7 filters, the ones used for this image, do not make an image with that orange look, that looks like it had an orange overlay applied.

[edit on 8/1/2008 by ArMaP]

reply to post by rolotommasi


Looks like a rock that split to me.

Interesting to see that this thread is still going, despite the fact that the topic has been debunked by Hal on page 11. The colors are artificial. No water and/or blue sky.

reply to post by mlmijyd


That is not something you can do in Photoshop.

When you have only photos taken with the infrared, green and ultraviolet filters you have no way of creating a near true colour image.

Try it and see what you can do (if you have Photoshop or equivalent, obviously).

reply to post by rolotommasi

Sorry it neither dust, animal, nor gas emission but what it is entirely beyond those descriptions is more simply a enlongated rock surface which has a smooth surface furthest from the front of the rock and is rather rectangular in shape, oh yes it has a broken section which is producing the shadow effect which has been identified perhaps as a animal or creature which it is not. Angled about ten degrees from the center of the picture I see how this resembles dust and gas emission both but on close examination I see the rock and it is broken, nothing else appears apparant. Good shot though to find this image just which gallery and what number you showing from NASA?

Many colorations of the surface are created artifically by the camera array of lenses, here is a close shot of the camera and where to find it on Rover. I hope this dispells theories that are being posted that NASA is somehow creating wrongful data and erronously describing pictures from Mars.



Another interesting image is of the moon. In this picture we can see the camera filters in action making many pictures of the moon.

The Mineral Moon
Even if the moon really were made of green cheese it probably wouldn't look this bizarre. Still, this mosaic of 53 images was recorded by the Jupiter-bound Galileo spacecraft as it passed near our own large natural satellite in 1992. The pictures were recorded through three spectral filters and combined in an exaggerated false-color scheme to explore the composition of the lunar surface as changes in mineral content produce subtle color differences in reflected light.
Image: 161
Range Extents: 161-170



Do not believe anything on this site Goroadachi where it was posted that NASA has created falsehood and discredited the Mars Project, fabricating inaccuracies (etc.), here. As you can read just as well as anyone this person has misconceived everything on purpose.

ABOUT:

The Etemenanki website views reality from such an angle and offers transcontextual interpretations of world phenomena. It is an attempt to hack and decode the ultimate 'game' we call reality. The website does not claim to give you the truth necessarily, but it at least strives to do what the 'system' does not want done. The hope is that this will provoke some new thinking and new mentality out there.
Goro
May 9, '02

AboveTopSecret is about reality not jokes and misinterpretations of reality. There still remains new thinking and new mentality without that sort of website management, here we are talking about NASA. NASA brings you truth and you can very well enjoy the truth at no cost to you or your association or organisation.

reply to post by davidlynn86

Very similar to earth where mud rock has settled following an earthquake, so MarsQuakes do occur, there are volcano's and there has been lava flow. Much to my summize there are pourous rocks laying everywhere and appear to be light weight so I figure with this in mind there could be scrapings caused by lighter rocks on soft rock surfaces esp. if the rock were to become bounced by a Mars trimmer in this issue. Since we not on earth making these shots, try looking beneath a bridge someday, there are rock layers similar to these with cracks and I summize they had been placed there having been moved from another location so to protect the bridge from water errosion beneath its structure. But this is me and some places in Alabama have tributaries just like this and its a hardened gray clay rock, embedded into this is slate rock sort of slabby stylish and has fossils within its layers. These slashes or cuts you think have a crack appearance and are also close to the same rock that has been unearthed in the Bosnia Pyramids.

The First European Pyramid discovered in Bosnia

Adolph Hitler came to Alabama once searching for cotton, I live in the cotton field that he was touring, His Gustopo's needed a special black material to make their clothing and they purchased much here. More material was purchased from which Adolph had the Bibles he had printed for the Jews covered with it. They could have also exported some rocks it they got their eye on some that have been exposed by errosion, I summize Adolph Hitler could do anything he wanted to do, but his Gustopo soldiers of the SS had to escort him. So then the war started but Goodyear was there to stop his Panza Tank invasion. The Jews drew attention to themselves by accident when Adolph Hitler learned that the Bibles he had given them had been torn up to obtain pages from their insides and this is what the Jews wrote letters to New York on and Adolph became mighty mad and decided to bring death to the many of them for having torn pages from the Bibles he had made them. This is when New yorkers learned serious things were happening in Germany and this is what actually caused the war to begin.

reply to post by Palasheea



Sorry I am off for so long, but having a cold this last week and work to do keeps me away from ATS for days sometimes. Hey, no one pays here and I can't afford the utilities to run my systems if I don't work for $. Anyone paying???

Palasheea, you asked me, so here it is. (You owe me )


OK doing the work, even though I have very much more important work. I really am working on serious UFO stuff, but to humor the troops here goes.

Fig 1.


POINT 1:
Look at the colors. They demark differences in reflected frequencies of light. Notice the Yellow is related to the stony materials the rocks are composed of. The light blue is shadow, but from all the foreground and background. Now notice that there is no yellow in the supposed right arm of this figgure. Also notice that the shadows on the small rocks in the background field have the same blue as the arm.



Fig 2.

POINT 2:

You will see that the body of the rock has a dark reddish cast, but the arm has a pinkish cast as all the other background. This is very plain sight difference meaning that what you might call an arm is part of the background yards away.



Fig 3.

POINT 3.

Notice that yellow shows the rock material, but that where rock would be in the arm there is no yellow. Meaning that the right arm we seem to see is actually not solid but is a shadow of a smaller rock in back of the larger rock. Also the head (so called) seems to show little or no yellow, or solid material. That too could indicate it being a shadow or coincidental placement of an object or it's shadow behind the rock.


Fig 4.


POINT 4.

This one is fairly clear. See how the shadow of the rock is easily seen as dark almost black, but where a shadow would be under the arm does not exist. It is a solid orange, but of the same orange as the colors in the sand and rocky materials in the area well behind the rock in question. The head seems to shadow ok, but the arm is not an arm, so does not.

**********
I did this all with simple tools in Photoshop CS3 using color saturation, curves and other filters. I never touched or changed anything manually. Just clipped the area, applied filters and adjustments.

This is why it is important to look closer at these things and be able to see this before making wild speculations and judgments. There could very well be bronze sculptures from ancient Martian civilizations on Mars, but I could tell this was likely not that, without doing all the work to prove it to you.

To see how this effect can fool the eye, read my last couple posts here again and look at Bev Doolittle's work on the link provided below. She very cleverly uses this very effect to paint hidden images within her works. A method I also have used in illustration.
Bev Dolittle

I hope we all got an education here. I can't do this all the time. You guys try this at home and show us some good stuff on other posts. We need more people to help us show that there are strange things and possible evidence of other life on Mars and in space/Earth and Moon findings.

Take up the batton and finish this race with us to find truth. This was to prove you where mistaken unfortunately. I would of rather have shown you where right, but I saw it was a dead end. So much for thinking that was over.

ZG

Originally posted by stikkinikki

Originally posted by rolotommasi

Anyone have any theories on this dust plume?

it is from a life form or a natural geologic process.

This looks like the rock split and the larger half fell back and rotated a bit, exposing the inside of the rock, being lighter and not blackened by thousands of years of exposure.

There is a lighter rock laying flat closer to the camera too that has similar color reflective surface and this could be the same, but facing the camera. Other than that, I have seen odder things just walking in Death Valley canyons, alluvial fans and washes. Nothing too strange. Not worth too much study. I'd rather wittle a toothpick from a Sequoia.

ZG

reply to post by BRITWARRIOR


You are aware that water seeks the lowest point possible, correct? Thus, barring wave activity, the surface will always be flatly horizontal.

THis is not hte case with this "lake". It is situated so that its "surface" follows the contour of the hill behind (note - behind, and not under) it.

If there were a lake behind that first rise, we would not be able to see it from the position of the camera, unless it could see OVER that rise - which it can't.

Sorry man, I want a watery Mars as much as the next guy, but false-colored sand ripples are not a lake - a lake would have to, at the very least, adhere to the basic properties of water - instead of adhering to hte side of a hill.

reply to post by rolotommasi


A little something the Martians like to call a "rock"

Ya know, I did some research re: Mars.

The atmospheric pressure is far too low to allow liquid water to exist on the surface. At least, that is the state of the planet now. Some billions of years ago, I expect it was quite similar to Earth. Smaller, and lower gravity, of course, but water seems to be very prevalent everywhere you go. Hydrogen is a basic atom, since the 'beginning'...Oxygen is number '8' on the Periodic Table, so it would have been an element created early in the formation of the Universe. (After a few Supernovae).

Turns out, in chemistry, the Hydrogen atoms just love to bond with the Oxygen atoms, like a hand in glove, so to speak. Hence, water, water everywhere!

Surveying Orbiters have determined that water ice exists on each pole of Mars. (There is also some frozen CO2, but that's on the surface). Point is, IF you could imagine a smooth surface on Mars...that is, average out the mountains and valleys, find a 'mean'...there is enough water frozen as ice at the two poles to completely cover the planet to a depth of 11 metres.

This interesting bit was gleaned from a show on the Science Channel, titled 'Mars Rising'.

(Check your local listings for viewing times...).

No, before you ask, I do not 'shill' for the channel, I am just posting something I watched, and I found it interesting enough to pass along.

edited to correct spelling of 'ozygen'...




[edit on 9-1-2008 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by vze2xjjk

www.abovetopsecret.com...=]
ERROR: You've Requested A Page That No Longer Exists

You have a interesting post, I find another article just as interesting which could tie into just how a planet could evolve. If for instance Mars has a layer created sometime during its creation this layer would be a storm which is a swirling layer of soil even rock which would evolve into a larger mass that being weightless would form a outer shell with a interior from which the storm originated. Over millions of years the outer layer swirling becomes a normal rate of rotation & the material slung outward connects together forming what we now see as Mars. During this period volcano's erupt and meteroids/asteroids hit Mars & reshape the surface completely while this may not be the only aspect which can shape a planet we could imagine how demized this could be if & only if there were aliens occupying the interior of Mars & they made openings to which they can enter & exit from the interior. Science Fiction has never taken this to any level of production, but I'm willing to bet that if a movie were created which showed this event occurring as it became discovered by a team of scientists then they realize aliens are inside the planet & have been visiting earth during the past they then make the egyptian connection of Earth and Mars, this would be a very good movie. A dissimular movie has been created with a similar name A Perfect Storm. Directed by Wolfgang Peterson, Wikipedia has some information, none of which are Sci-Fi.

Here is what NASA said about the Perfect Storm. This is what I am relating formation of a planet to. Remember earth has gravity, at one time Mars did not have gravity. So this could be the reality we now don't know much about unless we dig so deep that we find a internal world where so many living aspects could evolve & yes the water & atmosphere which is missing on the surface could exist inside Mars now. Therefore water could leak from the interior out thru the N/S poles newly formed.

A Perfect Storm
Scientists who study dust storms have long known that Saharan dust can travel across the Atlantic to the Americas. Asian dust, however, must travel much farther to reach the same destination. In April 2001, researchers watched with surprise as dust from an Asian storm crossed the Pacific reaching as far east as the Great Lakes and even Maryland.

An eye-witness to the dust storm, who visited Jilin Province in northeastern China, reported that around 7 a.m. local time on April 7, 2001, the dust blocked enough sunlight to leave the skies as dark as midnight, and reduced visibility to roughly 20 meters (65 feet). The Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA's Terra satellite captured these images of the dust storm as it swirled over China the same day.

An April 2001 temperate cyclone spun counter-clockwise over China, pushing a wall of dust as it moved. The deep tan dust is not only thick enough to completely hide much of the land surface below, but it almost forms its own topography, with ridges of dust rising up below the clouds.

A U.S. Navy Aerosol Analysis and Prediction System (NAAPS) model predicted where it would travel, which relies in part on data from NASA/s Sea-viewing Wide Field-of-view Sensor (SeaWiFS) sensor.

A 2005 paper by Jianguo Liu and Jared Diamond described the increased incidence of dust storms in China. From AD 300 to 1949, China experienced a dust storm on average every 31 years. After 1990, a dust storm occurred almost every year. The authors attributed the increase in such storms partly to deforestation and changes in water usage.

Image Credit: NASA

Last Updatedecember 11, 2007
Page Editor:Yvette Smith
NASA Official:Brian Dunbar


reply to post by weedwhacker