!!!Mars Blue Sky & Water!!!

Originally posted by ArMaP
And why I am posting in a thread that has nothing interesting to me?

These types of threads are religious threads. Do you believe you see visions in the various rocks and blown sand? If you do, you can say, "Oh, this is a skull," or "this is the ruin of a Martian dry cleaners." And then other people can say, "Oh, gee, that's awesome proof of aliens NASA is hiding from us!" All great fun, like going to church and professing your crazy belief along with others.

On the other hand, if you're going to drop in and point out that similarity and shadows on rocks is not really proof, you might as well go to a local religious service and logically, reasonably explain the reasons why there's no way to prove the existence of God. Nobody's going to listen.

[edit on 7-1-2008 by Nohup]

Dear god people! (to those being poopie about all this)

Honestly, if we were physically on Mars itself, we would be PICKING these things up and examining them and if they are actually interesting we would TAKE them back to a lab and TEST them! There is nothing wrong with examining pictures from Mars, I know I havnt come to any religious conclusions about it. Finding fossils and metal on Mars is pretty much expected. Mars is exciting, if we can deal with the time it takes to get there, its the only planet we can visit and walk on, touch things and explore. None of us are going to be doing that so pretty pictures from the rover will have to do.

Thats the spirit eh?

Even that picture is incorrect. Note that they have captured the colour correction swatch where one of the corners is supposed to be blue.

Now you will read many explanations as to why that corner is not blue which are actually complete nonsense for one simple reason: they took pictures of that swatch on its own i.e. filled the frame, whilst on Mars and the corner was BLUE. I'll need to fire up my old computer to get the NASA image number. They took shots at various times of the day and the blue corner is always blue! Ironically this was to calibrate the cameras. How inconvenient that the calibration means Mars looks like Earth!

One other thing. The white cabling is tie wrapped with BLUE tape which for some reason is never ever blue on Mars!

reply to post by malcr
Malcr, I would love to see those images if you could take the time.
Apreciated,
Ben

Originally posted by Ben Miller
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Malcr, I would love to see those images if you could take the time.
Apreciated,
Ben

Will do. I'll post them up on my website since I doubt I can find the original references anymore......NASA will have removed them....unintentionally of course! I'll do it tonight, I hope I have enough webspace though

One thing I did notice on one of the first pictures. The blue tape I mentioned had turned magenta with yellow edges. Now you can do this yourself! Take any normal photograph, load it into Photoshop or Gimp or equivelent. Then use different techniques to manipulate the colors to eliminate any blue and make it look red. With certain extreme combinations to eliminate blue it turns yellow and/or magenta. It's all to do with digital values going beyond their bondaries for an RGB value (that's a hint on how to do it, have fun try yourself)

I managed to find the Pancam photos on the web. Try this website:

areo.info...

Especially the early photos at the bottom of the list. What I found very interesting as I went through the photographs was the number of panoramic pictures taken with the filter combination L2 L5 L5 L6 L6. Now if you look at the Pancam calibration unit for these same filter settings you will see that blue (bottom right) is bright magenta. Wheras the true colour pictures are with filters L4 L5 L5 L5 L6. Again there are a few pictures with this combination but that many.

Clearly the "colour" of the vast majority of photos are false (L2 L5 L5 L6 L6) i.e. no blue but realistically red (the Mars myth). But NASA can state "truthfully" that they have not doctored the pictures!!! In essence they chose a filter combination that perpetuates the myth of a bright red Mars surface.

What few L4 L5 L5 L5 L6 photos there are shows that sky is not red, the dust is more brown and the stones are slate grey-blue colour.

Originally posted by malcr
I managed to find the Pancam photos on the web. Try this website:

areo.info...

Especially the early photos at the bottom of the list. What I found very interesting as I went through the photographs was the number of panoramic pictures taken with the filter combination L2 L5 L5 L6 L6. Now if you look at the Pancam calibration unit for these same filter settings you will see that blue (bottom right) is bright magenta. Wheras the true colour pictures are with filters L4 L5 L5 L5 L6. Again there are a few pictures with this combination but that many.

Clearly the "colour" of the vast majority of photos are false (L2 L5 L5 L6 L6) i.e. no blue but realistically red (the Mars myth). But NASA can state "truthfully" that they have not doctored the pictures!!! In essence they chose a filter combination that perpetuates the myth of a bright red Mars surface.

What few L4 L5 L5 L5 L6 photos there are shows that sky is not red, the dust is more brown and the stones are slate grey-blue colour.

I had a look at this site and came across a photo from the Opportunity Rover that has some strange features. What do you guys make of these (More so the circular indentations on the left).

Source Photo (from areo.info) - Opportunity

[edit on 7-1-2008 by PaulWillocks]

The figure on the left that alot of you are referring to is more like a little statue or a kids toy think about it like an Egyption kids toys.


[edit on 7/1/08 by Zelong]

reply to post by malcr
Thanks for the link! great pictures.

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Paul,

The hole you reference is made by the Rover's drilling arm. You can find many pictures of these holes here:

marsrover.nasa.gov...

Becker

[edit on 7-1-2008 by Becker44]

....and while we're at it. Here's a shot of the "water". This is non-colorized and it appears to just be a sand drift. Notice the crater to the left to verify this is the same area as noted by the op.

marsrover.nasa.gov...

Becker

Hang on... Hang on...

Sorry if this has been posted before but I couldnt see it.

Here is a picture of Mars that NASA say "Is presented in a false-color stretch to bring out subtle color differences in the scene".



But here is the same picture NASA says is "approximately true-color panorama".



When looking at the instruments at the bottom of the picture it appears to be the other way round.. i.e. everything yellow in the 2nd picture which tells me its colour has been changed. I'm no expert on these things so I stand to be corrected here... but common sense tells me this is wrong, any ideas?

Link to site - marsrover.nasa.gov...

This image is taken from a documentry called " the space station and beyond " filmed in High Definition.

I cant believe I looked at these pictures then watched the footage in high definition on the science channel here in the UK on Sunday the 6th of Jan.

I never seen the crystal blue colour displayed in the picture when watching the show, but some of the HD footage from space shown was absolutely awesome!

If you get the chance to watch this HD documentry, check it out.. You finally get a small taste of the " traffic " orbiting the space station, moon and mars, and i can tell you, theyll be installing traffic lights up there soon guys.

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The photos on that website are misleading, they are presented as true colour when in fact they are even less true colour than NASA's composites, they are combined in a way that reduces the red.

And NASA, as you said, did not (as far as I know) altered the photos, the photos are taken with some or all filters and can be combined by anyone, they are all available on the rover's site, you can do that yourself if you want.

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It is not possible to create a near true colour image when we do not have enough data, and that is the case.

While the top image had its colours enhanced, the bottom image is just the result of combining the original data from the available (and relevant) filters, in that way it is more "true" colour than the other.

TextTextText Red my question is why are there several lines that are in the picture. they appear to cut rocks in half and that little light thingy on the bottom right side, plus all that other equipment there on the bottom. zoom in and see. if anyone knows, please tell me.

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It's because this image was made by joining several images.

As they did not have enough images to make a good panorama (with a wide angle lens, like the one on the panoramic cameras on the rovers, the distortion created by the lens makes only a small area usable for creating panoramas), they had to create a panorama with only enough images to cover a large area, neglecting the quality of the joins between photos.

havent you people seen ripples in SAND before? WIND causes rippels in sand. And ive seen that "this sketch is in false colors" thing like ten times in this thread but somehow everyone overlooks this important fact. Ignorance is not only bliss, but apparently, contagious.

By the way...I am told that 'color blindness' only occurs in men's eyes. Seems few women (and just to be clear here, I am referring both to human men and human women) ever suffer this genetic calamity.

Guess my point here is...I have known men who are considered, if not color blind, they are 'color dumb'...meaning, they are not able to see certain colors of the spectrum. Usually, seems to be in the lower range, as we think of it...reds to greens...

This in NO WAY is to infer that any ATS member who has looked at these pics is inhibited in some genetic way...but arguing about colors, when we are using different monitors looking at a picture that may or may not have been color-corrected is, in my opinion, a fool's errand.

Each of us could take a photo of a sunset, for example, right here on Earth...each using a different camera (or the same camera, but slightly different locations)...or use a different F-stop, or shutter speed...or any other variable you wish to postulate...and someone, somewhere will accuse us of 'faking' that picture!!! My opinion...

Someone, somewhere, somehow would claim that some element of whatever final picture we provided is 'obviously' altered in some way, maybe via 'PhotoShop', or what ever protocol the 'hoaxers' would presume...

You see?

Proof will not sway the believers...

reply to post by malcr


The sky on Mars is not red! The ground on Mars is red because it has a high iron content, the sky IS NOT. The atmosphere on Mars is very similar to ours on Earth, that's no conspiracy, it is a widely known fact.

The sky on Mars is blue in those pictures because nitrogen has a slight blue tint that we can see when we look through it.

No one says Mars has a red sky. The only reason Mars doesn't have a completely blue sky is that it is filled with dust particles (due to the low gravity) that give it a slightly yellow tinge (due to the iron content of the dust, which comes from the surface, which is why the surface is red).

I am no skeptic, but I can't stand ignorance persisting when any attempt at research (i.e. googling) would tell you that what you are looking at is perfectly normal and expected.

Please, look for something substantial. I want to see evidence of life on Mars, or water, or any of the trappings of life, but this just isn't it. Sorry.