Who has the best Special Forces ?

The Polish GROM is the best.

Each member has to know six languages to get in. And you can't just sign up, you have to be chosen while in service in other branches. Also, they can choose any weapon they want, their is no standard issue.

They are in Iraq right now, and earlier in the war they were the first soldiers in to capture ports. Without any casualties may I add.

Originally posted by omega1
The Polish GROM is the best.

Each member has to know six languages to get in. And you can't just sign up, you have to be chosen while in service in other branches. Also, they can choose any weapon they want, their is no standard issue.

They are in Iraq right now, and earlier in the war they were the first soldiers in to capture ports. Without any casualties may I add.

You have my attention now. Can you provide some sources to your information? I am really interested, as I haven't heard about GROM before (not that I actively research SF groups).

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I Think the sas is the best in terms of counterterrorism, and the us navy seal rule in unconventional warfare.

Might they all not be a bunch of hapless heartless trauma-based mind-controlled freaks with nothing to commend them beyond their sheer relentless perseverance and killing power
In fact nothing to commend them at all except subservience to the NWO chaos-mongering and savagery
Dumb stupid bots on the whole

Im seconding the Australian SAS

Most special operators, by default, will say that the organization that they are a member of is the best just based on esprit de corps.

You can look at archives of past missions that are unclassified and publicly available and assume that one group is better than another because of a particular mission environment they operated in, or because of a particular skill set they possess.

The plain truth is that you can't use this method to determine what organization is the best, because there really is no "best", and I'll explain why.

Just in the United States alone...

If I needed an organization to plan & execute a counterterrorism mission, I would call Delta.

If I needed an organization to conduct insurgency, counterinsurgency or foreign internal defense operations, I would call Special Forces (Army).

If I needed an organization to conduct amphibious infiltration & assault missions, I would call the Seals.

And the list goes on. What I am getting at is that most special operations units train to be proficient in a broad and general variety of missions. The operators often have diverse skill sets and are cross trained in each team members specific discipline. But in addition to their general mission proficiency, a lot of units specialize in a specific mission type, or they create special sub-units or squads that do. So when a certain type of mission presents itself, you know to call the unit whose specific skills and training most closely match those required for the mission.

This is why I would never call anyone "the absolute best". Some are better at certain things than others, and vice versa. Each unit usually carves out their own "niche" in the special operations community, and that is what they become known for.

I would have to think Israel by far has the best special forces AND Air Force. I do know that most pilots think so anyway. If you think about it, they are always training. And that would always be a "live" fire exercise. Plus, when one of the Palestinians blows them selves up anywhere such as a mall, Israel goes right after them and bombs the snot out of them and ends up killing the bad guy.

As for all around utility purpose in the U.S....I would have to go with the USAF Pararescue airman.

As a side note to what someone posted, you can probably expect to see more USSOCOM/Polish Grom joint participation based on recent developments and the direction that it appears to be heading.

GROM has earned the respect and admiration of many in the US SPECOPS community, and Poland appears to be politically maneuvering itself to form a stronger alliance with the U.S. as a staunch ally in the European region, especially since Germany appears to no longer be near the top of our European buddy list.

Theoretically its the country thats still has an in tact element after an ingagement and as I said before in another thread no one country is best in all situations where someone fails others get the job done it is the nature of war nothing is better than the winner for he has survived and conquered

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CQB - 22NZSAS, it's full of Maoris, Tongans, Fijians and sundry assorted Pacific Islanders. Guns, they don't need no stinkin' guns!

Having spoken to ex ASAS and RMC/SBS guys, but no Yanks yet, it depends on the job. If you want generally capable troops then 22 ASAS, the Sabre Squadrons don't specialise the way 22 SAS Troops do. The HRTeam in ASAS is a permanent formation, once you're in that's your job (that was my latest inf anyway) The Sabre Squadrons rotate through duties, desert scout, jungle warfare, urban warfare, mountain warfare etc. You've got to be profficient at all of them.
Plus there's the whole SVN record.

Delta are good, damn good, but urban warfare is their speciality, they focus on it, the jungle ain't their patch, that's Green Beret A team territory.

GSG9 are not special forces, they're cops. Grenschutz Gruppe Neun, border police.

Rangers are not (in my opinion) special forces. Any unit where Sergeants yell orders is not a special force. That was proved in the first week in Mogadishu, 1RAR had better discipline than the USMC.

Plus real vets don't like to brag, knowing VN vets and Falkland/Gulf 1 vets in person, they'll talk, but it's all "we were so #ing dumb, we nearly got our heads blown off" stuff.

The ultimate grunts are definitely Ghurkas. Way tougher than anyone, even Spetsnaz and Legion. I know some nasty stories from Brit training establishments where stupid white men pissed off the Ghurkas they were bunking with.

My vote goes to 22 ASAS. IDF Paras are good, SAS very good, same for SBS. Most other formations are uprated infantry, I'll take RMCs over USMC anyday.

I seem to remember RAN clearance divers being in Um Qasr very early...must have been given a call by the Poles!

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Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV


My vote goes to 22 ASAS. IDF Paras are good, SAS very good, same for SBS. Most other formations are uprated infantry, I'll take RMCs over USMC anyday.

yeah i would 2 but their reacon squads are quite kick ass but still would prefer SBS.

you really talked to SBS guys and they told you they were ex-SBS?

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
I seem to remember RAN clearance divers being in Um Qasr very early...must have been given a call by the Poles!

Naval Clearance Divers are the Australian Navy's Special Operations units. While there is sufficient debate about their "Special Forces" status to omit them from SOCAus control, their capability, training and selection warrant such a distinction.

Clearance Diving Teams (CDTs) are very similar to the old American Underwater Demolition Teams (UDTs were merged with the SEAL teams in 1983), and in fact used to work with them in Vietnam. They undergo very lengthy training program (longer than the US Navy SEALs BUDS by several months) and are trained in both diving and combat operations. The CDTs are organised into 4 task elements: Headquarters, Mine Counter Measures, Maritime Tactical Operations, and Underwater Battle Damage Repair. They are capable of deploying separately or in combination with other elements of the ADF.


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CDT on patrol in Iraq

few points on british sf's. SAS draw their men from the para's, SBS draw their men from the marines. marine training is a hell of alot tougher physically and mentally than para training. consequently SBS troops tend to be of a higher standard. the fact that they are less well publicised only adds to their aura. british special forces are predominantly scottish(think about 60 / 70% i think) fot the reason that they have a harder turn of mind (upbringing?) than other brits. they therefore require little or no counsellimg and can be better relied upon to get on with the job when the mental strain comes on. as to whose best internationally, i dont think you could put one above any other as they all fill different roles, operate in differrent theatres and have different training regimes.

You are all wrong. God has the best special forces. Just wait a few years and see them in action.

hey christian fundamentalist!! how you doin?listen, you dont happen to come from alabama do ya?

i've heard delta force train under SAS...

also, i've heard SBS are better than SAS.

also i think this thread is a little rediculous, heh.

No not from ala. Not a fundamentalist either. Just a realist.