Oderint Dum Metuant

Come on people…..

The best way to defend yourself is to first find evidence that we have aliens on our planet….

Second is to find sufficient evidence that we are being abducted…..

But hypothetically speaking how can you defend yourself from something you know little about other then Hollywood movies or crazy propaganda from people who believe they are in touch with these “beings”?

IF they can travel to our planet it would mean they have technology that’s far superior to our own which would make any of this “gun- ho” my gun is bigger then your gun just FOLLY. For this hand to hand idea…. Do you really think with all their technology they would come down and wrestle you to the ground and then abduct you? Geez people……

The best thing you can do IF they are going to take you and probe your body (as these alien fanatics believe) is to hold some dignity and ask for a dinner and a movie first.

Cheers

If they treat me to a nice dinner and movie I might consider letting them probe me. But if they don't - in other words, if these Grey beings assume in any way or fashion that I'm cheap, then I'll use every dirty trick I can to end up being the one who probes them instead.

And, on the serious note, I think that no matter what species, what kind of hideous deformation of nature you may be (and that was quite the obvious reference to greys, if you didn't see it), you WILL most likely die if you get a good old 10 mm round in the skull. Just as if you get your entire tiny weeny body full of buckshots.

Of course, then there's the whole paralyzation issue... If we can just escape paralyzation, then these Greys are in SO MUCH trouble! If we can, they will finally find out just WHO they've messed with!

Hey, Dolph! Get over here!

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You know, any wannabe mafioso full of rage can get ahold of a gun and start blasting away, at the Greys; it doesn't take much.

It takes a much bigger man to engage in a Diplomatic effort, reach out to the Greys and invite them for dinner and a movie, try to make Peace with them

Well, really, if they abduct me in the middle of the night, and probe my butt with strange instruments...

...without my consent...

....then to hell with them, I'm going to blast them away as soon as I get the chance.

I agree that overcoming or at least avoiding their paralysis rays is extremely important.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
You know, any wannabe mafioso full of rage can get ahold of a gun and start blasting away, at the Greys; it doesn't take much.

Quite true.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
It takes a much bigger man to engage in a Diplomatic effort, reach out to the Greys and invite them for dinner and a movie, try to make Peace with them

Yeah...good luck with that.

It's somewhat difficult to be diplomatic and offer a dinner and film engagement when the Zetan-aliens - the Reptilians over the Greys for example - have been known to have Terrans AS dinner or at the very least to use our glandular extracts as vitamin supplements.

That definitely puts a damper on the whole peaceful dinner and a flick diplomatic approach.

Let's see...

Shall we have fried Homo sapien arms as an appetizer?

Followed by an entree of broiled Indo-European brains and hearts in AB positive blood sauce?

Think I'll skip dinner altogether.

I still don't understand the title of this thread?

Oderint Dum Metuant=

Let them hate so long as they fear.

We have our own paralysis rays in development right now. They work similar to tasers, but instead of a solid wire they use a pair of lasers to create a conductive path through the air for electricity to flow through.

Tasers aren't a fun thing to try and cope with. They sting like crazy and the feeling of being paralyzed is very, very shocking (pun intended.)

However, people high on the right drugs have been known to show complete resistance to them which goes to show that the body is capable of ignoring a taser shock under the right circumstances.

If drugs can cause our body to be unaffected, it adds consideration to the possibility that the body could also be "trained" to resist the effects of being stunned. After all, we can build up our tolerance to just about anything else that affects our body: drugs, spicy food, pepper spray, foul odors, etc.

Their stun beams likely use a more efficient method of delivering an electric shock, but there's almost no question that electric shock is the method by which they work.

Too bad resistance training like that would be very painful and probably take a long time.

I'm not so sure about that. I must say I've only seen on movies when someone is tazed, but when a person get an electric shock, they jerk spasmodically (this is the part I've only seen in movies, so I don't know), and scream from the pain, right? But neither happens when you're paralyzed by aliens.

So I don't think it's from an electric shock that they paralyze you. Maybe they just know how to "shut down" the parts of your brain that allows you to move, telepathically or something like that.

Meh...just my 2 öre.

I don't know, usually when me and my friends mess around with my stun gun, people just scream like a girl and fall over.

I'm sure alien taser technology is more advanced than ours, and is probably designed to perfectly mimic the signals in your muscles and nerves that would cause movement.

The idea is to train the body to resist those unwanted signals.

Maybe it wouldn't work. Maybe it would. But look at it this way: Your other option is to try and duck a beam of light.

Besides, you're far more likely to have some torture-happy cop try to shock you with a taser for speeding than be abducted by aliens. At least my idea would come in handy then.... just remember to pretend it's still working, so he doesn't beat you with his gun.

Tasers are very effective.

However, they are no where near as devastating as Zetan paralysis beams

It isn't just a form of electricity the aliens are using, but something much more sophisticated. It doesn't even operate like electricity. The sky blue beam is like a laser and the intense white floodlight beam is much brighter than a police helicopter searchlight - and completely silent.

It's a foregone conclusion that if tasers were better than paralysis beams, then the Reticulans, who have been kidnapping people for thousands of years, would now be using them.

The important thing to remember is that you can probably avoid getting knocked out with a paralysis beam if you manage to avoid it hitting or making contact with your head, or enveloping most of your body.

Quite a challenge in itself.

I remember reading an account of someone who put his arm into a paralysis beam and he felt that arm become completely numb.

But he didn't get knocked out.

Once they paralyze you, then comes the implanted screen memories, the brainwashing, and the memory loss of exactly what happened so you only remember, if at all, an account of what they want you to think you remember. Then you come back with the belief that they can read minds, teleport, and walk through walls - all taken from actual abductee accounts. A prisoner who thinks his captors have godlike powers is less likely to fight or attempt escape.

So if you come back believing that the Zetans have godlike powers, we can all assume that you were subjected to the best of Reticulan brainwashing techniques, technology, and drugs.

Abductee Brainwashing



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So the question is, how do you dodge a beam of light?
What happens if you try to reflect it with a mirror? How about a disco ball?

Originally posted by mattifikation
So the question is, how do you dodge a beam of light?

Well, if you are outside and they use a sky blue beam on you - as they did with Travis Walton - there really isn't a whole lot you can do to avoid getting hit, knocked back, and probably losing consciousness.

However, if you are inside a building, apartment, house, etc., you can use common sense and avoid an intense white floodlight beam that they use for a wide area - as one can often see it coming and move out of the way.

A typical abduction scenario starts with people falling asleep in front of an open window. They are paralyzed before they know it and that as they say, is that.

Review the guidelines over on our page on Abduction Prevention. That will help a great deal.

Originally posted by mattifikation
What happens if you try to reflect it with a mirror? How about a disco ball?

I wouldn't even attempt using a disco ball and the mirror idea is also questionable.

When I was active in another forum years ago, which is now defunct but was run by an abductee, and was heavily involved with debating about Zetan-aliens with likely disinformation agents, I had a flyby near the house I was living in at that time. I am not sure if it was a probe or manned ship as I didn't get a look outside.

Reticulans and their Terran allies monitor the Net and forums like this one to see what people like you and I are up to and what we say about them.

My shades were closed. A beam came through a crack on one side of the closed shade, and reflected off of a large mirror onto my face. I was asleep but was awakened by the brightest light I had ever seen. It was not a channeled energy but a physical light that penetrated my eyelids. I immediately knew what was happening and remember being slightly disoriented. Fortunately, possibly from the beam being diffused by the mirror, I was not paralyzed or knocked out. There was no missing time from the encounter. But it did provide me with some direct personal experience as to how bright their paralysis beams are. Imagine the brightest physical white light you can imagine, like a small sun, just appearing for a moment in your head with your eyes closed.

That is what it was like

I call a bluff...until you can prove aliens exist, and aren't demonic spirits, aren't men from the army using secret technology tests to abduct and rape people, or anything else like that, it's total crap.

If you truly believe in mind over matter, aka faith through Jesus, His power will protect you. True faith can move mountains.

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You know, this whole thing reminds me of a book I read once. PRomise you won't laugh? Ok, I know you'll laugh, but I'll tell you anyhow. The book was "Biggles in Tibet" by W.E Johns. It's really a run-of-the-mill children's adventures story from, oh, I'd say the fifties or so. But it was a good book, lot's of action. That's beside the point, though. And I don't have enough energy this early in the morning to give you the whole story, sufficient to say there's this evil race of Tibetans who're trying to take over the world.

My point is, they are using strange light weaponsof a kind that no humans has ever seen before, very, VERY similar in description to that used by aliens. I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier, but anyway, the answer to this mystery MIGHT lie in there.

Later on, anyway, when the hero (Our beloved master-pilot Biggles) meet a dawg who used to work with these creepy alien-wannabe takeovertheworld-monkies, he is given a fair description of how these guns work, or sort of.

I can't recall it specifically right now, as it's still too early around here, but I believe that the light they used to paralyze people was driven by electricity. BUT, and here is the thing, it wasn't electricity per se, or as we know it, but rather, the electric radiation, that sort of "shut down the human system" after a few seconds or so in the light... I can't really remember any more specific than that right now, but that was pretty much it.

The electricity caused an almost "electricity allergic" reaction, that first made the victims slow, then almost as if they had a stroke or something - everything going dark, their bodies non-responsive, and so on.

Ah, well, just my 2 öre this early in the morning. If y'all are interested I can dig out the book from my book shelves and get you a better description of how their fictional "death rays" worked. As I said, now that I think of it, it is VERY similar to what the greys seem to use. If you can get a hold of this short book, I'd suggest at least take a look, it might actually be worth it, contain a piece of info or two.

Meh, I don't know. Anyway, I need more sleep now. It's good being on vacation. Later.

The fear us humans have of aliens is man made.

The stereo type Greys are as fragile as we are. They work to an agenda but are as emotionally sensitive as us. They tend to communicate more through body language rather than voice or the presumed theory of telepathy.

Body language is telepathy of a form. We understand certain facial and bodily actions better than any words are able to describe.

They only use the 'paralysis ray' when they feel threatened or realise that their abduction attempt could be jeopordised by a frantic thrashing of any subject. It's not so much of a paralysis ray, but rather a device that changes the brains electrical frequencies which aids the 'missing time' and no memory of events.

I've written a thread about this method.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The greys are the tools of a higher being that have evolved beyond the point of needing a physical body.

Both races respond very well to spiritual communication rather than the physical.

Verbal communication can be established with the greys by you but they have an ability for you to understand all that they mean without them talking which further suggests the high intelligence of ourselves regarding reading of body language.

It is our lack or knowing ourselves and trusting our own instincts that leads us to the fear and prejudice that we have been continually fed by Hollywood and other UFO/ET un-believers or those who wish us to not know the truth of things.

Their interest in us is to do with what those humans who are against them are doing to the rest of the human race. The greys do do bodily tests but it would appear that these tests are also a test of character and spiritual understanding and experience.

Where have I got all this from?
I'm not an abductee, I'm a volunteer. i was asked to help at a very young age. I've had too many strange things occur that I am yet to have fully answered, yet I am aware of certain memories, thoughts and feelings that I cannot always associate with my normal day to day living.

The proof people seek is the wrong thing to look for. It's your personal understanding of yourself and your inner thoughts and feelings that you must seek before you can even begin to understand any truth.

They say the truth will set you free. So what does the truth you feel inside tell you? Begin to listen and more will be revealed. open up to a method of understanding rather than prejudice, fear, worry, or doubt.

There is so much more, but i do not have all the words to express completely what's going through my mind. But to sum up, it's all about the individuals journey of self that is the most important issue. The experience of life is a great journey we all share and at the same time we take it alone. We are being watched as we grow and expand ourselves and our consciousness (spirit).

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome...

The Munsters

Hi David_Reale,

Sounds like that work of fiction you read had some insightful facets that may apply to the real world of Reticulan-aliens and their advanced energy-projection weapons.

I remember reading an account whereby an abductee was faced with an alien, presumably a Grey, that held out a weapon the size of a fountain pen. That small device would project energy that could temporarily shut down the nervous system of a Homo sapien and probably most, if not all other humanoids as well. Like the fictitious phaser set to stun. The abductee felt that it could take out an army. This I doubt but it still is another piece of anecdotal evidence to consider. The small device didn't seem to work like the well-known paralysis beams that the Reticulans routinely use as a precursor to a kidnapping.

Paralysis beams can be projected from small probes as well as from larger, occupied ships.

The mechanism that produces the sky blue laser-like beam and the one that produces the intense white floodlight beam may indeed be driven by electricity. That would be a fairly safe assumption.

If that be the case, then here's a possibility for defense:

Use an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapon on the spacecraft and/or on the source of the paralysis beams once they are activated.

I am sure the little bastards anticipate this. So you may want to construct your EMP weapon in such a way so that it is dismantled as the ship approaches, to be put together and activated only after paralysis beams are being used and therefore invisible to the naked eye.

To my knowledge, they have not yet learned how to make their paralysis beams optically invisible. I question that it is even possible to do so.

Which means that the source of a paralysis beam, be it a probe or ship, especially in highly populated areas (and surrounded by cameras) when stealth is a major consideration to them, will likely be invisible without the aid of infrared night vision equipment.

However, one would only have to trace the beam back to find the source spacecraft and device that is used to project it, even if that source is invisible to the naked eye.

Originally posted by karamba
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome...

The Munsters

Excellent link karamba to an illustration of various Greys and a Reptilian from eyewitness accounts.

Long Live The Terran Freedom Fighters



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In responce to blocking EMP, they had a text floating around at one time talking about the governments project... erm what was it called again, ah yes.. echelon, I think it was echelon but I could be wrong, anyway the gist of was you could see what was on someones computer screen in a building by intercepting the radio waves produced by the screen, so they came up with all these ideas about hardening systems to be resistant to electromagnetic interferance, they found copper was the best shielding device, so I guess the answer is pretty simple.. Wear a copper helmet! Anything over 1mm in plate thickness ought to do the trick, but this is pure speculation!

Get someone to make you one up from 2mm copper and then invest in some car paint and turtle wax, preferably purple, the you can go round looking like magneto out of the x-men without looking too silly!

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Hi Brother_Amos,

Originally posted by Brother_Amos
...they had a text floating around at one time talking about the governments project...echelon, I think it was...but I could be wrong, anyway the gist of was you could see what was on someones computer screen in a building by intercepting the radio waves produced by the screen...

That development is news to me

Originally posted by Brother_Amos
...so they came up with all these ideas about hardening systems to be resistant to electromagnetic interferance, they found copper was the best shielding device, so I guess the answer is pretty simple.. Wear a copper helmet! Anything over 1mm in plate thickness ought to do the trick, but this is pure speculation!

Get someone to make you one up from 2mm copper and then invest in some car paint and turtle wax, preferably purple, the you can go round looking like magneto out of the x-men without looking too silly!

That is very interesting but I think I will pass on the purple magneto helmet.

The purpose of EMP weapons is not to stun, kill, or paralyze humanoids, but to knock out or at least temporarily immobilize electronic circuitry. Like when the Reticulans temporarily neutralize the electronic components of an automobile engine to set up a kidnapping.

I doubt that wearing a copper helmet would offer any significant defense against their paralysis beams.

However, if what you stated is true, and it can be confirmed ahead of any alien engagement, then insulating an EMP weapon with thick copper plating would be a method to prevent Zetan EMPs from neutralizing our own EMP defensive measures.

Good post and thank you for your insightful input.



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