My Dad has Stage 4 Renal Cancer, Can alternative therapies help him?

Originally posted by idontbelieveitI would *not*:
* Do detoxes - these are dangerous if the immune system is compromised.

Sorry but this is NOT good advice.

Your father MUST detox and with urgency. However, you must detox the bowels first and get them working properly, otherwise you risk reabsorbing the flushed toxins which can be worse than doing nothing. Perhaps this is what the poster was referring to, but the advice was incomplete.

Joanna Budwig's omega 3 fatty acid (eg flax seed oil) and cottage cheese diet is one start. However I would seriously look into ramping up with MMS (aka sodium chlorine dioxide NaClO2).

www.miraclemineral.org...

It's darn cheap too.
www.globallight.net...

This package will last months.
I've been using it to treat my Lyme disease which may be harder than cancer to cure though less dangerous.

Alternative therapy in my mind is the absolute best route. Cancers are curable by these means, despite the FDA's ruling that only drugs can cure disease.

What I would do first would be the try to eliminate harmful chemicals from myself. Underarm deodorant, hairspray or dye, harsh soaps, etc. Go to a health food store and get deodorant, toothpaste, mouthwash, etc. They will be made from ingredients not harmful to the body. I read this in a book "would you eat your deodorant? No, so why put it on your skin?, right next to your lymph nodes", Bad idea. Skin absorbs everything.

Quit smoking, if your a smoker.

Buy a juicing machine.

Eat ONLY organic fruits and vegetables, juice daily with your machine. You couldn't grow an apple tree with the seeds from an apple at the grocery store. any idea why? But you could with seeds from an organic apple found at a health food store. Organic dairy too.

No tap water. Heavy metals are bad &chemicals found in city/tap water aren't good for you. Toxins cause cancer.

Colon cleansing, heavy metal cleanse, liver cleanse. there are a lot of them. They are all very use full when fighting an illness like cancer.

Take a good whole food supplement. Better than a multi vitamin by far.

Run away from artificial food sweeteners like aspartame FAST. (Splenda, nutra sweet, etc). Lab studies have shown this chemical causes tumors, seizures, &the like.

The most important thing is to clean your system of built up toxins, that way your system can start to repair itself &function right. The immune system will begin to function better &fight the cancer off the way it was designed to.

Chemotherapy, drugs &radiation wreak havoc on the body. They weaken the immune system, kill blood cells, cause you to lose appetite, throw up, lose weight &muscle mass, make you feel very sick (more sick than the disease itself would).

I have been very interested in cancer treatment for years and have researched it a lot...would like to chat with you more if you are interested.

Take care.

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Lyme's Disease. Valerie Saxon sells nutrition products online at www.silvercreeklabs.com. She has a product that is some kind of Oxygen "charged" water....Body Oxygen I believe she calls it.

Her family moved to the country and her husband got Lyme's disease. She had a hard time, but she finally found someone who would inject this oxygen charged water into her husband using a hypodermic needle. It got rid of Lyme's disease very quickly. Normally the product is taken orally.

Very sad tale. At this stage I guess trying anything other than "regular" medicine could provide hope. But meanwhile, even though there is renal cancer, there is dialysis and the possibility of a transplant. I had a brother in law who survived renal cancer. I also survived renal failure with dialysis and kidney trantsplant. All is possible. In any event, accept what is to be will be and don't shake your fist at the sky in futile defiance. This is life after all and it brings what it brings. Peace.

Wish I could say otherwise but it doesn't look good.

The fact that it's spreading does mean that it does have a "weak spot" which could be used to attack it, but I don't know if anywhere is experimenting on this.

Read my posts on cytokines in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com... - it may not be IL-2 but its just a matter of finding out which cytokine its using to prevent the immune system from killing it. The big question is whether any of the drugs made is able to pass through the blood-brain barrier, - neurology isnt something I know a lot about.

Oh and ignore the accusations of me being a shill working for the government/FDA/etc etc - I'm not even in America, and I certainly ain't getting any money from the government there, some people are too paranoid!

I doubt a kidney transplant would be allowed - since it is so far advanced and is outside the kidney a transplant would not cure the cancer only treat any kidney failiure, and the doctors probably wouldnt do that unless the cancer was gone first.

I don't know if laws have changed, but in the 90s there was a lot of quacks operating in Texas, because the state doesnt recognise government authority over medical issues (or something like that, I only saw it on tv as I've never left the UK). Although this seems like a bad thing it's also good because any treatments not available/legal elsewhere (such as experimental ones) they may be able to do there.

The only positive thing I can say that you can do is to make sure he gets enough nutrients, a person with cancer will need a higher than normal intake of protein, EFA's, vitamins and mineral, calories. essential fatty acids (EFA's) can be found in sunflower oil (omega 6) and rapeseed oil (omega 3). Ignore RDAs - this is the recommended amount for the average healthy person, but dont overdose on anything as the kidneys may have their function impaired by the cancer.

I'm not a doctor, so don't take this as medical advice, I'm just someone who's spent several years studying cancer (was not in uni or med school, a friend had a tumour so I studied as much as I could in my spare time) in the 90s.

Google 714X - Immune booster that is injected into the lymph system as an alternative way to fight cancer. TV talk show had a young man who had run away from home because he didn't want to take chemo. Parents worried. He came home, but only if he could take 714X instead of regular chemo. He was healed.

I have seen a post recently about a man that was treating his cancer with intravenous vitamin-c , had beat it once, and now some years later was fighting it again. I did some digging but I cant find/remember where I was reading this.

Well apparently the medical community is jumping on board now. If you are near Philly see if you can get him involved in this at Jefferson.

Jefferson Vitamin C treatment

A good book to check out is "A cancer battle plan". I read this a few years back, it's about a lady who had terminal cancer, it had spread throughout her body...bones...lungs, other organs. The doctors did all they could with no success... and essentially sent her home to die after there attempts at curing her had failed. She went to see a Homeopathic specialist, and ended up being cured. Stories like this happen all the time, but don't get much press, if any, because major drug companies don't make money on her cure. It's all about the money, and thats it.

Find a good, licensed Homeopathic specialist. Try different things. invasive surgery, and harsh drugs often do more harm then good. Your father needs to bolster his immune system, cleanse out toxins, and get on a powerful regime of natural cancer fighting supplements, some of witch I listed, stay organic, and detox...so important.

I suggest checking out this website: naturalcures.com...
Buy the book "Natural cures they don't want you to know about" &"More natural cures they don't want you to know about", those books have a lot of great, eye opening info &tons of references. I enjoyed reading both &have used a lot of the things mentioned in both books. Great stuff.

Magnetic rings &bracelets have been shown to be very helpful with improving health as well.

Green drinks are helpful..wheat grass, brown rice &barley.

Colloidal minerals are good to take.

Green tea is great for sour stomach...that cancer drugs cause.


There are SO many all natural things you can do to prevent &combat cancer....

Best of luck.

Hi all,

Im surprised nobody has mentioned BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION!

I've been researching the above method for the last 6 months and it seems like a lot of people that have had Cancer, Aids, Heart Disease, Hep C, Herpes etc. have tried blood electrification and it has worked!!!

Have a look at this video:

Suppressed Medical Breakthrough - Dr. Robert C. Beck:
video.google.com...

Wikipedia Link about it:
en.wikipedia.org...

Scada Research RSG-1 for Hulda Clarke Zapping and Beck Pulsing:
www.scadaresearch.com...

There are other machines out there that do the same but the above machine is a 3 in 1 machine which does the Zapping, Pulsing and makes Colloidal Silver, a substance which is believed to be able to cure almost all diseases. The colloidal silver along with blood electrfication is all you need and your dad will make a miraculous recovery if he uses both methods!

Curezone Forums about Colloidal Silver:
www.curezone.com...

"Silver Kills Viruses - New Study Finds!":
www.freemarketnews.com...

Different Disease Dosage for Colloidal Silver at Curezone:
www.curezone.com...

I've been using a Zapper called a Don Croft Terminator II for the last few weeks and have noticed massive changes in the conjunctivitis in my eyes and my bad leg and bad lower back, feels like the tension is lifting unbelievably!

Im so impressed by this new form of healing that ive decided to setup a website selling these machines as well in Ireland.

Here's the story about how they discovered it... Back in 1991 Dr. Robert C. Beck came across a US Patent describing a blood electrification process by a machine which goes inside your body by Dr. Kaali and Dr. Lymann. They discovered it by accident when a test tube full of Aids infected blood had some live wires fall into it. When they tested the blood again, the Aids virus had been completely killed off or disabled in some way.
More research into this by Dr. Robert C. Beck found that all these parasites, microbes, bacteria and fungus etc. all vibrate at a certain frequency, as does the human body...
He found that he could develop a machine that could be worn on your wrist which could send micro-currents into your blood at these specific frequencies and disable their "shields" so that they could not reproduce and could be flushed out by your immune system.
Im not sure what the actual figure is but most of us have an immune system that is operating at well below 100% because of the amount of crap in our blood preventing the immune system from operating properly. I'd guess its around 60% - 70%, maybe less...
Killing all these parasites can free up your blood flow so much that your immune system goes back to 100% and when that happens, your body can pretty much take care of itself!
When you think that the average american has 2lb's of parasites in them and that there are over 300 species of parasites you begin to think that they could be the things responsible for pretty much any disorder or disease in anyones body...

I've had my machine for the last 3 weeks and have been telling everyone about it, my girlfriend has even bought one coz she noticed big spots on her face disappearing after just a few days from using mine. I then bought one for my parents, one of which was noticing increased freedom in movement of his hand which he'd been getting Arthritis in for the last year! This thing seems to work on everything!

Research this technology now, its the most important form of alternative medicine that ive ever come across.

The reason this information has been suppressed boils down to this, the Mafia in America own 51% of the Pharmaceutical industry, they lose billions if this gets out there!

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Yes yes blood electrification is the real stuff, i have resarched it and have build very crude versions of it...it really works

health.groups.yahoo.com...

also check out mms
phaelosopher.wordpress.com...

[edit on 6-1-2008 by ATSGUY]

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Yes blood electrification and of course Royal Rife frequency technology should be mentioned if it hasn't. I also would hope that ultraviolet blood electrification (UBI), sometimes called Photo-Oxidation Therapy (POT). The latter technique is actually approved by the FDA.

www.dririna.info...
www.laserscenarfusion.com...

You can call them. I read they have worked know someone who worked
with Renal Cancer.

You can also join this group and ask there is a wealth of information here.
groups.yahoo.com...

this www.mineralmiracle.org has cured cancer. It's selling for about $10. on
ebay. The US Food and Drug Association supports ONLY the luciferic pharmaceutical companies and will never approve natural cures.

Cancer won't live in rich oxygen area.

Take food grade H2SO4
Take ClO2
Do liver flush which includes these steps, get rid of body parasites, detox, kidney cleansing, bowel cleansing and then liver flush.

Breath deeper! Hold it longer.

[edit on 20-1-2008 by Lonte]

I just want to Thank you all very much for all of the advice, research and time that you put into this thread.
I have had to step away from this thread a couple of times because as much as I want the information, the reality of the subject brings on severe bouts of depression for me.
I want to let you all know that I have researched all of the information in this thread and I have typed up an amazing amount of information that I have presented to my dad, it is his wishes that I will follow once he has had time to read and follow his gut reaction I will know where we stand.
The amazing amount of human kindness shown in this thread renews my faith in the human spirit. At times while reading this thread my heart would break from losses others have experienced or be overjoyed at love expressed for another, I have shed many tears and like I said have had to take quite a few breaks just because my emotions were so massive.
I guess for me it is easier to discuss the economy or politics then it is to digest my fathers grave illness.
I guess its like a bandaid and I have to keep putting a new one over my heart.
Sorry for the rambling, I just wanted to let you all know how grateful I am and you all have a special place in my heart.

A lot of good information has been posted. I would just like to add my own 2 cents - maybe it will help.

After being on antidepressants for 7 years (after suffering from depression for about 20 years), I discovered that the chemicals we are exposed to are one of the causes of depression. It's also the cause of many other illnesses such as cancer, alzheimers, high blood pressure, diabetes and more.

I was able to cure my depression and get off of medication by changing my lifestyle to exclude chemicals as much as possible. I changed my diet to only eat organic foods. No more processed foods. I also started using only organic personal care products such as soaps, lotions, deodorants and toothpaste. I also replaced all of my household products such as dishwashing liquid, dishwashing detergent, laundry detergent, cleaning supplies, etc. with all organic, eco-friendly products.

You cannot cure a disease with any natural remedy while you're still exposing yourself to chemicals that cause the disease. Change the lifestyle and let the body heal itself with whatever natural cures you select.

Good luck!

The information out there is overwhelming, but if I had to choose a couple books to recommend, it would be: Detoxify or Die, by Dr. Sherry Rogers, and the other is Prescription for Nutritional Healing by Balch & Balch. I've u2u'd you my email address if you have questions, because I know it's a lot to digest when you're new to it.

My thoughts are with you and your family.



[edit on 1/20/08 by kattraxx]

2 things I can offer -- an affirmation of Budwig's flax seed oil/cottage cheese diet.

Second, Hanna Kroeger's 2 Candida formulas followed by Taurin-Dophilous. I am one of a few folks who believe cancer has a relationship to candida. Nuking the candida could be very beneficial and it just may be the fungus at the root of some cancers. Again that is Hanna Kroeger (she recently passed away at a great age) and her herbal compounds are still available on the net. She lived in Boulder Colorado in the USA.

I agree, not doing detoxification doesn't seem like good advice to me. Of course, there are many ways to detox, some more harsh than others. Which is why, advice from a good homeopathic physician is essential, even if you have to go out of town to find one. They do treatments in their offices that you can't do at home and treating for cancer is serious business. Please try to find a good homeopathic physician to guide you and take some pressure off you.

Nat'l Center for Homeopathy (202) 223-6182
Homeopathic Educational Service (415) 649-0294
International Foundation for Homeopathy (206) 324-8230

In the meantime, there are things you can do at home to detox the system and rebuild the immune system. A good guide I've mentioned is "Detoxify or Die", by Dr. Sherry Rogers, suggested by my homeopathic doctor. Here is info on Dr. Rogers and her work.

www.townsendletter.com...

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Pau D' Arco is supposedly a cure for candida as well as cancer, which is interesting if there is a connection between cancer and candida.

www.pau-d-arco.com...

Why do you think that they are connected?