FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

As you can see after 90+ pages in this thread, NOT ONE PERSON OR GROUP has been able to prove that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville.

Actually, all the evidence has proven the FLIGHT 93 DID NOT CRASH IN SHANKSVILLE ON 911.

Look at the above pictue again. The photographer is standing where the fuel ladened wings is said to have 'penetrated' the ground. As you can see there is NO SIGN of anything resembling a plane or anything being loaded with 10,000's of liters of highly flammable JET FUEL crashing into that pre-exsiting ground scar (from Strip mine reclaimation).

What caused the crater was most likely a cruise missile acting as a hijack aircraft surrogate participating in the 5 or so amalgmated, overlapped war games/ drill/ exercises planned for September 11th. 2001.




Look kids, you cant convince anyone that a plane crashed in Shanksville. It doesnt even boarder a theory.... IT IS FACT.

It was all part of the exerscise.



[edit on 22-4-2008 by IvanZana]

Originally posted by IvanZana

As you can see after 90+ pages in this thread, NOT ONE PERSON OR GROUP has been able to prove that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville.

Why do you post the proof the high speed impact of 93? How many graduates of aircraft investigation course have you contacted? You could go to the aircraft accident investigation experts and confirm it, rather than make up false statements.

No one has provided expert testimony that the impact is NOT that of a high speed aircraft. What is stopping someone from posting an expert?

No one has proved the FDR to be wrong with evidence, only hearsay. Witnesses are confirmed by the FDR.
Someone saw the plane crash right there. How can you dismiss all the witnesses?

I have shown impacts of high speed crashes, they look just like 93's impact. But then you post the same, and prove it.

You make fun of BW photos. Cool. Is that indicative of your ability to interpret high speed impact photos?



High speed impacts; like 93. Physics of an accident. Got physics?
To prove your point, you must:
Prove the FDR is wrong.
Prove the witnesses are wrong.
Prove the DNA is wrong.
Prove the FBI planted the tons of plane parts and bodies.
But you will say it has to be proved by who? After it is common knowledge.
After 6 years, you have not received the Pulitzer Prize for your wealth of hearsay evidence; what is the purpose of posting your fictional accounts? Have you submitted for the Pulitzer Prize yet? Have you taken action to make this known to news sources? What did they say?


[edit on 22-4-2008 by beachnut]

Originally posted by beachnut

Originally posted by IvanZana

As you can see after 90+ pages in this thread, NOT ONE PERSON OR GROUP has been able to prove that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville.

To prove your point, you must:
Prove the FDR is wrong.
Prove the witnesses are wrong.
Prove the DNA is wrong.
Prove the FBI planted the tons of plane parts and bodies.
But you will say it has to be proved by who? After it is common knowledge. [edit on 22-4-2008 by beachnut]

Prove the FDR is wrong. - WE ALREADY DID HUNDREDS OF TIMES
Prove the witnesses are wrong. - WE ALREADY DID
Prove the DNA is wrong. - WE ALREADY DID
Prove the FBI planted the tons of plane parts and bodies.
But you will say it has to be proved by who? After it is common knowledge. - WE ALREADY DID

It is you 2 or 3 poorly informed debunkers who are too lazy and or ignorant to see the facts.

Mabey you 2 or 3 people lack the intelligence, experience, age, common sense to comprehend the conclusion that NO PLANE CRASHED IN SHANKSVILLE (FLIGHT 93) on September 11th, 2001.

[edit on 22-4-2008 by IvanZana]

Here is some qdemands for you 2 or three people who are so manically trying to insult internet readers with stupid conspiracies on how Planes 'vapourize' when we all know that no Boeing / Flight 93 DID NOT crash in Shanksville on September 11th,2001.

Prove the FDR is RIGHT.
Prove the witnesses are RIGHT - (some witnesses saw a cruise missile)
Prove the DNA is RIGHT.
Prove the FBI DIDN'T planted the tons of plane parts and bodies. .

reply to post by IvanZana


IvanZana,

I have, in front of me, a printed copy of the NTSB report, a Summary Study of Autopilot, Navigation Equipment, and Fuel Consumption Activity Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 Digital Flight Data Recorder Information.

It is dated February 13, 2002.

It is by John O'Callaghan and Daniel Bower, Ph.D

Daniel Bower, Ph.D.
Senior Aerospace Engineer
NTSB, RE-60
490 L'Enfant Plaza E. SW
Washington, DC 20594


John O'Callaghan
National Resource Specialist - Aircraft Performance
NTSB, RE-60
490 L'Enfant Plaza E. SW
Washington, DC 20594


IvqnZana, what say you?

WW

add...Ivan, apologies for butchering your username....my left hand is sufferering from peripherial neuropathy....




[edit on 4/22/0808 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by IvanZana
Here is some qdemands for you 2 or three people who are so manically trying to insult internet readers with stupid conspiracies on how Planes 'vapourize' when we all know that no Boeing / Flight 93 DID NOT crash in Shanksville on September 11th,2001.

Prove the FDR is RIGHT.
Prove the witnesses are RIGHT - (some witnesses saw a cruise missile)
Prove the DNA is RIGHT.
Prove the FBI DIDN'T planted the tons of plane parts and bodies. .

Ivan, your attempt to smear the truth by appealing to other members here at ATS will not work. You are avoiding the questions presented to you.

Responding to questions with questions does not cut it. We have been over this over and over. You have been presented with evidence. You were then asked to explain it. So far you have not.

It is up to you to explain how evidence was planted. Body parts were planted and DNA identifications flawed, tampered, or doctored. You have been given Mr. Millers contact information. Have you contacted him? Can you prove he lied?

Time to step up to the plate Ivan.

Thank you,

C.O.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


CO, it is a common tactic of the 'truthers'.....hit and run.

Seen it, over and over and over again. When cornered, they 'pounce' with either an ad hominem, or some way off-topic discussion, just to deflect the original question.

Same tactics, over and over again, n'est pas?

WW

Originally posted by IvanZana
Here is some qdemands for you 2 or three people who are so manically trying to insult internet readers with stupid conspiracies on how Planes 'vapourize' when we all know that no Boeing / Flight 93 DID NOT crash in Shanksville on September 11th,2001.

Prove the FDR is RIGHT.
Prove the witnesses are RIGHT - (some witnesses saw a cruise missile)
Prove the DNA is RIGHT.
Prove the FBI DIDN'T planted the tons of plane parts and bodies. .

Yup, Its quite common for these misinformed debunkers to hit and run, tag team and insult the intelligence of good people.

See no plane here



PROVE THAT IT WASNT A CRUISE MISSILE



[edit on 22-4-2008 by IvanZana]




[edit on 22-4-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana


IvanZana....prove that is WAS a Cruise Missile!!!

Really, prove it!!

THEN, PROVE what happened to the passengers and crew, and the Hi-Jackers, another four individuals, from UAL93.

TELL us what happened to THEM!

Or, are you conveniently forgetting that 'minor detail'???

Yes! The US Military is capable of incredible feats, using UAV tech, or even Cruise Missiles....which, BTW, are very, very expensive....and if one goes missing, I'd bet there'd be Hell to pay!!! Wouldn't want to be THAT Commander to try to explain...."Well, Sir, it was like this, Sir....see....these Conspiracy Theorists came in, and , well Sir....I had to tell them something!!!!

Back to reality.....where is UAL 93? Or UAL 77? These are real flights, people said goodbye to loved ones on those flights....You simply cannot discount their existence!!!!

I personally attended the funeral for the FO, David Charlesbois, from Flight 77!!! Don't EVER tell me he didn't exist!!!!

AND, don't demean his death by continuing this horrid thread!!!

It is sick, sick, sick!

If you, ULTIMA, had a loved one die on any...ANY...of these flights, you would not be pounding your drums. I would hope you would have some common decency, at the very least, to let these people be!

Where is your humanity, ULTIMA? Where is your Soul?

WW

Originally posted by weedwhacker
IvanZana....prove that is WAS a Cruise Missile!!!
If you, ULTIMA, had a loved one die on any...
Where is your humanity, ULTIMA? Where is your Soul?

You begin by appealing to IvanZana, then you conclude by appealing to ULTIMA?

It seems that you lost focus and forgot who you were responding to?

Ivan and ULTIMA are fighting for the truth. They're not accepting the BS that's being fed to them when the lies are obvious.

You've mentioned about four times that you have been to that funeral, we get it, weedwhacker, there's no need to further mention it. We know you're an ex-pilot with a wealth of aviation knowledge and someone who loves to needlessly correct grammar.

The people that died that day can only be put to rest when the truth is revealed, not buried with an official lie.

reply to post by tezzajw


TEZZA, you are correct, of course!

So, use your incredible skill to bring it to a conclusion, please!!!

WW

Originally posted by weedwhacker
TEZZA, you are correct, of course!
So, use your incredible skill to bring it to a conclusion, please!!!

If I had incredible skill, then it would have been concluded a long time ago.

There's no need for you to elevate me more than I deserve. Thanks, anyway.

Originally posted by IvanZana

Originally posted by IvanZana
Here is some qdemands for you 2 or three people who are so manically trying to insult internet readers with stupid conspiracies on how Planes 'vapourize' when we all know that no Boeing / Flight 93 DID NOT crash in Shanksville on September 11th,2001.

Prove the FDR is RIGHT.
Prove the witnesses are RIGHT - (some witnesses saw a cruise missile)
Prove the DNA is RIGHT.
Prove the FBI DIDN'T planted the tons of plane parts and bodies. .

Yup, Its quite common for these misinformed debunkers to hit and run, tag team and insult the intelligence of good people.

See no plane here

PROVE THAT IT WASNT A CRUISE MISSILE

[edit on 22-4-2008 by IvanZana]

My post and q atill stands un-contested. We have proven without a doubt here at ATS and other places that FLIGHT 93 DID NOT CRASH IN SHANKSVILLE

reply to post by IvanZana


YOU know what?

I am over this debate!!!

You guys can fight amonsgt yourselves....9/11, shmine eleven!!!

I am booked on a cruise....Baltic.

Guess what? It's an all 'GAY' Cruise....so sorry, already sold out, so don't even try to get on board.

It is a CHARTER...on board a Zagat- Rated Ship...does this confuse you?

IF....a person who posts happens to know what they're talking about, then they have credibility.

BUT, if a person, with 'said' credibility, happens to be Gay, even though you've seen the credibility, and understood the credibility.....but he just happens to be Gay....would you change your mind about that person's credibility???

Would you, as a thinking adult, change your mind?

THAT is my question.

I am WW.....Weed Whacker...and Tim

Just incase your memory is foggy
Real plane crash

Simulated Air Crash for training and evaluation.

Here is another REAL plane crash compared to the simulated air crash site in Shanksville.

I am tired of it, Ivan!!!

I am out of the closet!!

Are you?

Nah, didn't think so.....

WW

Originally posted by IvanZana

WOW – Comparing a plane that did not crash at high speed to 93 which did? Why post a photo that makes you look like you do not care about real evidence? You compare a kinetic energy event of flight 585 with 198,600,000 joules, to flight 93 impact with 3,000,000,000 joules. Flight 93 impacted with 17 times more energy, thus entering the ground! Poor comparison, made by you.

On March 3, 1991, a United Airlines (UAL) Boeing 737, registration number N999UA, operating as flight 585, was on a scheduled passenger flight from Denver, Colorado, to Colorado Springs, Colorado. Visual meteorological conditions (VMC) prevailed at the time, and the flight was on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan. Numerous witnesses reported that shortly after completing its turn onto the final approach course to runway 35 at Colorado Springs Municipal Airport (COS), about 0944 Mountain Standard Time, the airplane rolled steadily to the right and pitched nose down until it reached a nearly vertical attitude before hitting the ground in an area known as Widefield Park. The airplane was destroyed, and the 2 flight crewmembers, 3 flight attendants, and 20 passengers aboard were fatally injured.

I find it ironic the passengers on 93 figured out 9/11 in minutes, and you have had 6 years, and you try to compare events 17 times different in energy. Why?

Are you trying to mislead people on purpose, or did you make a mistake by poorly researching this very large error comparing events?

[edit on 23-4-2008 by beachnut]

Originally posted by IvanZana

Here is another REAL plane crash compared to the simulated air crash site in Shanksville.

We all know now that the crater in Shanksville was not caused by Flight 93.

This is what it should of looked like.