FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

Originally posted by IvanZana


Oh dear Beachnut, I see you are new user here at ATS. Your so full of crap, and your theories are so dumb, no offense.

Thats all you got Ivan? Telling someone they are full of crap? And theories dumb?

Beachnut has as you so eloquently put... "Pwned" you. Your response to the evidence that was provided to you by several of us was that it is "crap".

You refuse to look at the picture YOU posted.

You respond AGAIN by accusing me of editing a post, and then you once AGAIN post your OP.

LEt me ask you....

WHEN are you going to respond to the eyewitnesses? You have been ignoring them since January.

WHEN are you going to address the hundreds of pounds of human remains?

Calling something fraudulent without backing it up doesn't work.

Beachnut, Weedwacker, and Beachnut have showed you FACTS. You ignore them? Your not looking for the truth.


[edit on 16-4-2008 by CaptainObvious]

Dear Captain Obvious... I took the bait and asked you some simple questions, your answers were just plain stupid, remember?

Captain Obvious in Quotation

Why was there no fire or evidence of a plane crashing?

Think of this - strike a match and quickly pass your finger through it. Did you get burned? No. Try the same thing with a piece of paper. Or grass.

Put your finger in alcohol or jet fuel then pass it through some flame, and dont bother telling how us much it hurt and burned you.

Are you aware that your trying to compare how a 600Mph, fully fueled comercial airplane crashing into the ground at over 600Mp/h at a 45 degree angle leaving a crater no longer than a full-size chevy car....
with a childhood experience playing with matches?

Do you think ATS members are so naive?

The fuel blew AWAY from where the photog was standing at impact, towards the trees. Remember the 40 degree impact angle? It was angled towards the trees. That's why the grass and trees on that side were burnt in that direction. Simple for most to understand that.

Now your reaching Are you making these theories up as you go along.

"The fuel Blew Away" - Like all your credibility and respect.

As far as your impact crater claim, wrong again. The crater direction and explosion damage on the upper parts of the trees, DO NOT LINE UP with the "official" direction of the plane.

Show some evidence, diagrams , graphs, anything other than just saying so. I wont be expecting anything new, convincing or even realistic. Ive seen it all.

The grass is not untouched. That's what you believe. I do not. Therefore, from my point of view, your q is invalid.

But you also believe that planes "atomize", jet fuel "blows away" , planes "vanish", people who question authority are "nutty" "stupid" "ignorant" so what you believe is just that.

The wings shattered into small pieces upon impact. Only small scattered pieces remained. Or are you suggesting that one would find intact wings?

Of course not. We expect to see a plane crash and we dont.
You have failed to prove one did as we all proved one didn't .

Remember, you shouldn't have to convince anyone that a massive commercial airliner crashed, those are usually self explanatory

Why are you trying so hard to?

The fuel was atomized and formed the fireball, some spread into the trees, catching them on fire.

The pictures ( the high quality ones) show no fire in the forest at all, no burnt grass , bark, etc.(pictures earlier in the thread proves these).

Lack of fire? Did I mention the trees? Do you see them in YOUR photos?

Yes, as it has been discussed and agreed upon that the tree damage was consistant with a high velocity explosion and not a plane crash fuel fire for the grass between the crater all way through to the end of the burn zone. No grass, bark, or branch was BURNED by jet fuel around the the crash site anywhere.
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I am happy you(s) finally answered.

Congratulations. You officially destroyed the official account for anyone trying to understand Shanksville/ Flight 93 by trying so manically to uphold it.

Your imaginative twisting of facts rivals that of Arlan Specter's Magic Bullet in the Warren Report. We all know why the impossible magic bullet was invented. You invent theories on how a Boeing 757 and all its fuel 'Atomized' and"de-materialized" on impact without burning any surrounding grass around the small 10x30ft hole, when there has been not one shred of evidence from the crash investigation to support it, and in fact, actual photos of the crash site disprove you.



CONCLUSION: No Boeing 757 crashed in Shanksville on September 11th,2001.
The pseudo crash site was to be used in the terror drill exercises. Some of the exercises included crashing a plane into the Pentagon and the WTC, some of the simulated a terrorist plane crash complete with bodies, ground pigs meat ( to act as body parts), plane parts, raging fire.

Check out this airplane crash..



Just a simulation, not real. That is just like the plane crash exercise at Shanksville on September 11th, 2001....

Minus the bodies.





You pretend that you havent been debunked. You kids have been debunked by various professionals and eye witnesses.

Why do you persists to come to this "Stupid Conspiracy site" and pass off your lies?

Originally posted by IvanZana
Dear Captain Obvious... You are right, I have been lying to you and myself. My family must be ashamed. In my delisional state, I have posted some stuff that would make my dog spit up his Alpo. Please forgive me.

The above quote in NOT real. I am showing Ivan how making things up is VERY easy.

Now Ivan, instead of putting all your efforts into trying to discredit me, why don't you respond to the questions presented to you.

1-
How was hundreds of pounds of human remains recovered after your missile hit? Please also explain how the DNA of these remains matched those passengers of flight 93.

2-
Please explain the multiple eyewitness testimonies that I posted in January and then again the other night.

May I ask you again.. to not post your OP again. To NOT post your silly disaster drill pictures. Remember disaster drill are for search and rescue practice.

Until you answer the two questions presented to you in an mature, responsible fashion, you will not be looked at by most in here as sincere.

Thanks once more Ivan,

C.O.

An engine buried, almost as fast as a bullet, 93 entered the ground. One second you are 800 feet above the ground, the next second you are the ground. With false information flowing, there is some solid evidence that is over 6 years old as 9/11 truth moves into pure talk, pure hearsay, pure fantasy.

A good reseracher can find the other engine, or can they?

[edit on 18-4-2008 by beachnut]

reply to post by beachnut


Where's the other engine?

reply to post by jackinthebox


Hi Jack,

since Ivan appears to have abandoned this thread, perhaps you can answer the two questions I presented to him?

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Well, I suppose I could give it a shot...

1- How was hundreds of pounds of human remains recovered after your missile hit? Please also explain how the DNA of these remains matched those passengers of flight 93.

Hundreds of pounds of human remains is not exactly a lot. I think they were probably victims who were in the Pentagon during the impact.

As far as linking through DNA, you would have to show that proper Chain of Custody protocols were followed. It's not enough to have a genetic sample in a lab and say, "yup, that was one of the people that were supposed to be on the plane."

2- Please explain the multiple eyewitness testimonies that I posted in January and then again the other night.

I don't recall if I looked at your testimonies specifically, but I have seen evidence that shows that some witnesses lied. There are other anomalies to the eyewitness statements as well, such as people who did not see a plane hit, and saw what appeared to be a very small plane or a missile. There are more irregularities as well, but really at this point, and even in most investigations, witness testimony is far from being the most sound evidence to make a case.

The one thing I always think of whenever someone brings up supposedly credible witness testimony, are the missing tapes. If the testimony was so credible, why are the tapes not released? Not only from the Pentagon, but also the ones confiscated from the highway department and private businesses in the area.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
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Hundreds of pounds of human remains is not exactly a lot. I think they were probably victims who were in the Pentagon during the impact.

As far as linking through DNA, you would have to show that proper Chain of Custody protocols were followed. It's not enough to have a genetic sample in a lab and say, "yup, that was one of the people that were supposed to be on the plane."

Hi Jack,

thanks for taking a shot at it. You have done 100% more than what Ivan has done. Not that I agree with what your post says...

True, hundreds of pounds is not a lot. But it was enough to identify the passengers.

Claiming that they used Pentagon remains for the Shanksville crash is silly.

If you are concerned about the chain of custody, you can go back many pages to where I posted quite a bit of the collection and identification process.

In addition, Mr. Millers contact information is available if you have questions regarding the collection process.

I don't recall if I looked at your testimonies specifically, but I have seen evidence that shows that some witnesses lied. There are other anomalies to the eyewitness statements as well, such as people who did not see a plane hit, and saw what appeared to be a very small plane or a missile. There are more irregularities as well, but really at this point, and even in most investigations, witness testimony is far from being the most sound evidence to make a case.

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Eyewitness testimony is usually pretty weak...agreed. However, if you read some of the witness statements and then look at the FRD, you will see that the witness statements match that of the data from the FRD.

Can you please point out the witness statements that were lies?