FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

reply to post by IvanZana

The exercises differed from the Sept. 11 attacks in one important respect: The planes in the simulation were coming from a foreign country.

Until Sept. 11, NORAD was expected to defend the United States and Canada from aircraft based elsewhere. After the attacks, that responsibility broadened to include flights that originated in the two countries. Source

reply to post by IvanZana


I wish they had flashed his name across the screen. I could have researched who he was and for whom he worked. That is probably what started the rumor that there was a struggle on board without any knowledge of such. Because the families had not been interviewed prior to the arrival of government agents outside Shanksville, PA.

I heard such media rumors as:

Flying into the Terminal Tower
Flying into the Society Building
Flying into the Sears Tower

The rumors were relentless that day. The Establishment owned media had their employees passing them out on a steady basis on 9/11/2001. How is it the international media knew hours before what was going to be in the "official" report, concerning WTC 7, 6 hours before we knew WTC 7 was going to be imploded into rubble inside its own footprint?

In reference to another of your posts - did 93 become 1989? I read someone else's hypothesis on that. It looks to be a highly viable hypothesis. The person suppositions there were two planes called Flight 93. One "landed in Cleveland". The other "flew on to crash outside Shanksville, PA." It is a gut instinct only. However, the only way any of 9/11/2001 could be carried off the confusing way it was is to have it be an inside job. Then 1989 became 93. And a KC-135 ordered down at NASA was supposed to "explain away" the second plane. NASA was sorry for any confusion it might have caused.

I will turn to examine who the Bush administration appointed to agencies and departments of the federal government. I am going to start with NTSB.

www.highbeam.com...

"RSPA's Engleman nominated to head NTSB for two years. (Transportation).

From: Drug Detection Report Date: March 6, 2003 More results for: Head of NTSB | Copyright information COPYRIGHT 2003 Business Publishers, Inc. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group.

The Administrator of the Department of Transportation's Research and Special Programs Administration (RSPA), Ellen Engleman, has been nominated to serve as chair of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).

Engleman was sworn in as RSPA administrator Sept. 25, 2001. Prior to her RSPA appointment, she served as president and chief executive officer of Electricore Inc., a nonprofit research and development consortium responsible for developing advanced transportation and energy technologies through federal, private ... "

The person above has no experience in the area of aviation or forensic investigation as necessary in the NTSB. Yet, she had intimate connection with the military-industrial complex. She headed some corporate research department, which is a job very easily obtained by nepotism or special favors on the part of the employee with bosses.

The we have "Brownie, you're doing a good job" horse and pony show judge appointed to head FEMA. That show judge replaced a Clinton appointee with experience in disaster management.

Then we have the well experience jounalist editor of PM replaced with a Chertoff cousin, and MIT Thomas Eagar, not a structural engineer of experience or otherwise, writing the "official" report in PM. Now Eagar has intimate ties with the military-industrial complex, on the board of directors, of a privately held corporation, doing business within the military-industrial complex.

reply to post by IvanZana


Why at that hour were they already announcing it was Middle Eastern people being suspected? How could they have possibly known on that day at that hour of the am? Then Osama bin Laden's name was being flashed early in the day on 9/11/2001. Yet, the Bush administration states they had not a clue anything was going to happen much less who would be involved and doing that on the same day as well.

Remember that Cleveland ATC was talking to Flt. 93 just seconds before the radio annoucement about ' we have a bomb ' nonsense. There was NO alerts from any of the FOUR planes that day. Not one. Not one pilot managed to push the mike button down right next to their finger and radio an alert or a mayday. Nothing. Dead air. Then, as if the highjackers had simply dematerialized outside the cockpits and then rematerialized inside the cockpits with all pilots dead or subdued. Imagine that!

NO ONE, crew or passenger, ever mentions seeing anyone enter the cockpits, and there is no quation that something to do with the games was instituted on the flights that day..it had to be so. The stew in the rear of Flt. 77, Bety Ong, had no idea what was happening at all and was merely repeating what she was told. The stew up front had no idea either!! She was relaying info to Betty, and the info was the same: Paasengers cannot breath up front...but there are NO signs of anyone moving from the front to the back so they could breathe!! There are NO sounds on the tapes of ANY passengers voices raised in alarm or fear..no crying, no coughing..nothing.

Then we have the totally phony calls from Barbara Olson to Ted. Barbara supposedly told Ted that the pilot was in the rear of the plane with her!! Of couse the pilot did not manage to find a phone to call HIS loved ones or to try and communicate with the ground to describe the ' highjackers ' that had booted him unharmed from the cockpit..Barbara was the only one with enough charm to borrow credit cards from doomed people so she could call Ted!! Imagine that!

Try and picture some pilot sitting around twiddling his thumbs while Barbara calls and asks a lawyer what to tell the pilot to do...if THAT is not the stupidest excuse I have ever heard..as if the pilot would have simply given up the controls and meandered back to the rear of the plane to sit quietly and await orders from some woman on the flight who was allegedly talking to an attorney..makes NO sense at all. The whole story was part of the games..the games are key to it all.

I remember Osama's name being mentioned with connection with the attacks on the day,about an hour after,it did seem strange even back when we didn't really know alot of the happenings.
The news stations kept saying he was connected every 10 mins or so i think

reply to post by eyewitness86


Eyewitness, just a slight correction but one of high importance concerning 9/11/2001. Betty Ong was alleged to be making a 25 minute phone call to the authorities from alleged Flight 11. She was supposed to be telling them all about murder, mayhem, and confusion at the hands of Middle Eastern men with box cutters/utility knives. And being so calm about it while doing it. Even trying to be professionally calm, fear can be highly apparent in voices. As you pointed, no such fear was reported.

Yet, not one interceptor plane left the ground until it was all over. Any reports, to that effect that they did, are to held in high suspect of being inaccurate until carefully examined for accuracy and truth.

Flight 77 was supposed to be Barbara Olson talking to Ted on a cell phone because no one would lend her a credit card to use the airfone. Since cell phones did not work at high altitude on planes, plus could interfere with pilot communication to the ground, that is to be held in high suspect for inaccuracy and falsehood as well.

The cell phone accounting was reported several times by husband Ted. Ted and Barbara are intimate Bush administration confidants as well as PNAC linked. When it comes to Barbara Olson, I use her name in the present tense not past on purpose. There is no proof she is actually dead. I would be highly surprised if she is considering her strong ties to Cheney, Rove, and Rumsfeld.

Thanks for the correction. Betty Ong is obviously reading from a script or being prompted, that is apparent.

The FBI at Mossaoui's trial testified that NO calls were connected at all. Zero seconds of air time. So how can Ted claim to have called her and why has no one asked him about this glaring discrepancy since the trial? Either Ted was voice morphed into thinking it was her, or he is in on it. But, he has since remarried and if Barb is alive she might be hopping mad that her sacrifice for the NWO extends to that level!

No, I do not believe that ANY of the passengers are alive, not one. The perps cannot afford even ONE of them to ever be discovered alive; it would ruin the whole affair and open a can of worms that no one could shut. After killing over 3000 on 9-11, what are a few hundred more on the planes and crews that were expendable? It wraps up things in a way no other event can. It is not reasonable to assume that some or all of the passengers and crew are hidden somewhere thinking they are part of some..whatever. God knows what could take people away from their lives and families..what excuse would work? Too far fetched for me.

No, it is far more likley that all of them were loaded onto one plane, which was then flown remotely over the ocean and blown to smithereens as part of the ' games ' that day..with shipboard crews thinking it was all an excercise. Just a guess but more likley that keeping over 100 people either imprisoned or living under new identities risking exposure every time they go outside. Occams Razor makes this one a murder case and not a kidnapping.

reply to post by eyewitness86


Again I think we are asking the wrong question wondering wether or not these people are alive or not. Eight or nine of the hijackers were found to be alive, so then we are told that the "real" hijackers simply stole their identity. So then, who are the actual hijackers? They could play this same game with the passenger manifest.

reply to post by jackinthebox



i see what you mean about the real highjackers,never really thought it that way,how could they mess with the passenger list then??.
they couldn't do it without someone really high up giving the orders

No, it is far more likley that all of them were loaded onto one plane, which was then flown remotely over the ocean and blown to smithereens as part of the ' games ' that day

Funny i thought that too, then i thought they put them all on Flight 587 that crashed in November 11th 2001 over Rockaway New Yorl.

260 people on 4 planes on 911, 260 for Flight 587.

Neato thing is that the passenger manifest contains all latin names and alot of the same surname. I know there are going to latin america, but, if one were to support the idea of 'given new identities" and flown for a 'meeting' in the Dominican republic, they didnt make it.

reply to post by rhynouk


Put some passengers on the wrong planes perhaps, and create other identites out of thin air. Have you ever personally spoken to any of the families? Isn't it possible that the media has completely fabricated some of the victims' identities right down to the grieving families.

I am sorry to those who would take offense to that, and I am not trying to undermine the very real suffering that lingers since 9/11. I knew a firefighter who died at WTC and my father saw many people die that day with his own eyes.

But then we have to look deeper into the awesome power of "spin."

[[Click here]] for an example.

I'm sure this sort of thing is not limited to Fox news, or anything as mundane as the Presidential elections.

(Link to original thread here.)





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reply to post by IvanZana





I have been speechless for several long seconds, unable to come up with a second line to post. How about...

Holy effing hotpile of solid waste!

EDIT to add:

Are you sure of that date Ivan?

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reply to post by jackinthebox


But on second thought. If you were just going to kill all those people anyway, why not just kill them on 9/11?

Line 2: Hmmmmm...



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reply to post by eyewitness86


I would normally agree with you completely in such a case, until I began studying the backgrounds on those alleged to be on alleged Flight 77. That alleged flight passenger list is an exception to the rules covering alleged 11, 175, and 93.

reply to post by eyewitness86


That is why people legitimately hypothesize there was actually a second plane called Flight 93 landed at Cleveland, and reported with 200 passengers (number combined on all alleged flights on 9/11/2001) shuttled to NASA center across from Hopkins. Then disposed of in some way, when people were not able to see what was going on at NASA center. I have no substantial opinion on it one way or the other, except that it could possibly be feasible to have done it that way. Cleveland being out of the way from DC, PA, or NYC. Most people, aside from most residents of Cleveland, never give Cleveland, Ohio, a thought, except negative or comic relief thought.

They would have been lifted from the airports, and put on one single plane - except for alleged Flight 77 out of DC. That one is an exception, considering the names on the alleged passenger lists. Perhaps none of those people working for DOD, the Pentagon and other federal bureaucratic agencies, with close ties to the Bush administration, ever boarded any plane with any number, flight or otherwise. BTS stated, before cover-up was done on those Internet accessible reports, there was no flight 77 scheduled to fly out on 9/11/2001 at the time alleged. It took them until 2007 to change it to - there was scheduled flight. Which is the truth, and which is a lie?

Actually, one of the hikackers on 93 was dressed as a pilot and was offered entry to the cockpit. This flight was also delayed on the runway or it would have completed its mission.

Also look into Flight 587. There is a toll booth video that shows the explosion and there are FBI documents that link one of the terrorsits that did not make 9/11 as the person who did ignite the bomb on board. IT was covered up and then Moussaui tried his attempt and it was thrwarted. It was the same thing that blew up 587 over NY. Tool booth video...

93 is Cheney and Mineta...

Repost from earlier.

This next story is real. Calls took place, passengers thought hijacking was real, bomb on board, Just like " FLight 93 "

Did Flight 93 became flight 1989?

SOURCE Traveling on Delta Flight 1989 on 9/11
My spouse] and I and six other fellow [...] employees were on the 8 am flight from Boston to Los Angeles on Tuesday, but we were on the Delta flight [1989], the one out of three 8am flights departing Logan that did not get hijacked. Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.

Now this is the interesting part and may answer the calls from the airplanes.

S/he confirmed that the pilot gave them permission to make one call while they were on the plane. S/he remembers it as being while they were still in the air while her initial letter says that it was after they landed. Either there were 2 calls allowed, their memory (5 years later) differs from what happened, or s/he was incorrect in the initial letter. Remember that s/he wasn't, at the time, writing for posterity but to reassure family and friends. S/he doesn't remember what time s/he was able to make a call(s) that was but for reason thinks it was closer to 1000. It was around the time the first tower collapsed. That was one piece of the information they got while still in the air. They were later able to make more calls after they had landed in Cleveland.
They were told to make one call but people might have snuck more. S/he remembers thinking that it was a very inappropriate joke when someone mentioned one of the WTC towers collapsing.

Those calls probably sounded like " Mom, Mom!, I think we are being Hijacked, you belive me dont you?"

Flight 93 CVR " Hello this is tha Captain, please remain seated, we have a bomb on board and are landing at the nearest airport!"

The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard

Mabey This was the incident where Mark Beamer and friends "letsroll'd" to restrain the 2 people with the "Same Middle Eastern Name".

SHocking simulatrity.

Could it of been one the mock hijacking occuring that day?





Mabey that whole "Let's Roll" incident was recorded on Flight 1989 and passed off as Flight 93?

Read this next one.

MOCK SECURITY HIJACKING ALARMS INDIANS, INCLUDING SOME OFFICIALS

Indian security forces staged a mock hijacking of a commercial plane by supposed Sikh extremists today in an operation so realistic that for hours several officials said they believed a real hijacking was under way.

Indian security forces staged a mock hijacking of a commercial plane by supposed Sikh extremists today in an operation so realistic that for hours several officials said they believed a real hijacking was under way.

The mock hijackers were reported to have seized the plane after takeoff from New Delhi, flown it to Aurangabad, 400 miles away, and demanded a million dollars and the release of prisoners held in the city of Bhopal.

At one point, the authorities told a leading Indian news agency that the four gunmen had thrown the body of a slain passenger onto the tarmac.

As it turned out, officials said, there were no regular passengers aboard the plane, only Government personnel taking part in the mock exercise.

It was not clear which of the people reporting the hijacking were deliberately spreading a false version of the events and which believed that a hijacking was under way. Alarm and Confusion

The incident spread alarm and confusion throughout the country before the Press Trust of India, the leading news agency here, told subscribers in the late afternoon that the agency's report was not true.

Official Indian spokesmen had said for most of the day that the hijacking was only a security exercise, but the Press Trust, while disseminating their statement, continued to quote other authorities as saying the hijacking was still under way.

Meanwhile, the United News of India, a rival agency, stuck by its earlier report that the hijacking was a security exercise.

With some embarrassment, the Press Trust instructed editors at midafternoon that its earlier reports about the hijacking should not be disseminated. But by then Indian newspapers and news agencies had handled a flood of anxious phone calls about the episode.

Tonight, a Government official said even the earlier reports about the Sikh gunmen aboard the plane shouting demands for a separate state for Sikhs had been part of the exercise.

SOURCE

Originally posted by Boone 870

The exercises differed from the Sept. 11 attacks in one important respect: The planes in the simulation were coming from a foreign country.

There was more then 1 exercise. The 1 exercise pulled fighters away from their normal patrol route to monitor a Russian excercise.

Also a local excercise should not have called for an E-4 to be in the air.

Originally posted by esdad71
Actually, one of the hikackers on 93 was dressed as a pilot and was offered entry to the cockpit. This flight was also delayed on the runway or it would have completed its mission. ...

There is no evidence or paper trail of anyone wanting to ride in the cockpit.

Anyone wanting to get into the cockpit would have had to fill out forms and be checked out by a computer system to clear them for entry to cockpit. (even pror to 9/11)



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reply to post by ULTIMA1

There was more then 1 exercise. The 1 exercise pulled fighters away from their normal patrol route to monitor a Russian excercise.

Also a local excercise should not have called for an E-4 to be in the air.

Before we get into this discussion ULTIMA1, I need you to clarify two things.
1. What was their normal patrol route?
2. If the fighters were on their normal patrol routes, would it have made any difference on 9/11?

Regarding the E4-B, who said it was involved in a local exercise?