FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

reply to post by OrionStars


So, you believe SOME government reports? This stuff is getting better. The Bureau of Transportation Statistics is part of the United States Department of Transportation. Yes... a US Government Agency.

Please show me the data from the BTS that shows discrepancies to that of the offical report and witness statements.

Thanks

UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS

PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

12/22/07

PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH
www.pilotsfor911truth.org

Contact: Robert Balsamo
e-mail: [email protected]

UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS
Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain United Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder information, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder (FDR). The data provided by the NTSB contradict observed events in several significant ways:

The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.
All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.
Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.
Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.
Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.
In May, 2007, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that United Airlines Flight 93 created the impact crater as reported, in Somerset County, PA on the morning of September 11, 2001 .According to the US Govt, United Airlines Flight 93 approached Somerset County from the North-Northwest at a high altitude on the morning of September 11, 200 1 . However, many witnesses contradict altitude as well as approach path. Also according to reports, and as the impact crater suggests, United Airlines Flight 93 impacted terrain at an almost vertical 90 degree angle, while the Flight Data Recorder shows a 35 degree angle with up-sloping terrain, further reducing impact angle.

The information provided by the US Government does not support reports of United Airlines Flight 93 approach, impact angles, and lack of jet fuel at Somerset Country, PA.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001 . We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of United Flight 93 and the events observed. .As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their Congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information and in depth analysis please visit pilotsfor911truth.org.

Members of Pilots For 9/11 Truth at pilotsfor911truth.org...

ENCLOSURE: Cover letter of FOIA requests.

pilotsfor911truth.org...

Dont forget there were multiple disaster drills running on September 11th day. One of them was the Shanksville crash exercise. This was the excuse for the lack of air defense.

All the evidence presented from the Shanksville site can be found in most simulated plane crash drills.



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reply to post by CaptainObvious


Miller is no more qualified to be a coroner than George W. Bush. He has a title and nothing more. I have explained the qualifications for qualified coroners, and you keep ignoring them.

NORAD, in a written statement, confirmed that such hijacking exercises occurred. It said the scenarios outlined were regional drills, not regularly scheduled continent-wide exercises.

"Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft," the statement said. "These exercises tested track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination and operational security and communications security procedures."

NORAD HAD DRILLS

reply to post by IvanZana


IVAN,

Do some research on Rob. He is/was a member here. I outted him in this forum as he posted doctored work orders. Not only was he humilated, he created sock puppets to try to discredit me.

Only someone like Rob would say the FDR does not match up with what the witnesses stated.

And Ivan, instead of taking up entire pages with repeated posts, try just linking your threads.

Thanks

CO

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Seeing the obvious drastic conflicts between reports does not equate to believiing any of them at face value. Everyone does not run on faith belief by subjective thought as you project yourself to do..

Mock hijacking causes a scare

SOURCE

Chaos and confusion prevailed in the civil aviation ministry and the airport authority offices on Saturday after reports that militants had hijacked a Jet Airways flight going from Bangalore to Madras.

But it turned out to be a mock exercise that the civil aviation authorities were conducting to check the preparedness of the pilots and the aircraft crew in the wake of the hijacking of the Indian Airlines Flight 814 to Kandahar in December....

He said the mock exercise went smoothly. "The problem was created by the journalists who spread the story that is was a hijack. In the wake of the Kandahar incident, everyone believed it," he said.

A K Shivannandan, the Jet Airways spokesperson in New Delhi said that the Jet Airway office in the capital was not even aware of this exercise. "We were taken aback as we were not aware of it," he said.

So in conlusion it would appear that the Shankville site, cruise missile, white jets, odd maneuvers fit the bill of a disaster drill.

But someone made it real.



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reply to post by CaptainObvious


In your analogy of the truck rollover, you fail to make the incident congruos to the witnesses in Shanksville. If you were to make the comparison similar, you would see that the witnesses could not even agree wether or not it was a truck or if there was even a person in it. With such wide disparity, any witness statements are rendered nearly useless. All you can do is investigate each and every version and find evidence that might support one or perhaps some puzzled combination of witness statements.

reply to post by IvanZana


THAT'S IT!!! The Shanksville site was merely part of an exercise that just happened to be happening on that day. Perhaps even without the knowledge of the 9/11 conspirators who just decided to tag it on at the last minute to make 9/11 that much worse, and even larger in scope.

I suggest you click my thread "They didn't think the buildings would collapse..." There is evidence and logical deduction there that would support such a theory.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by IvanZana

 

THAT'S IT!!! The Shanksville site was merely part of an exercise that just happened to be happening on that day. Perhaps even without the knowledge of the 9/11 conspirators who just decided to tag it on at the last minute to make 9/11 that much worse, and even larger in scope.

AYe, ya got it.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
I'll tell you, if one of my fmaily members died on flight 93, I would not want their coroner report splashed all over the internet.

So, are you saying the FDR they found mysteriously had data on it that matched the radar data, CVR, physical evidence, and eyewitness statements?

I do not care what you think or believe or what you want or do not want released if you were a family member, i deal in facts and evidence and you do not have it. 6 years later and we might have 1/4 of the facts and evidence of what really happened that day.

So just admit it of you cannot post any facts and evidence to support your theory or the official story.

Also you have no real evidence. You have no evidence or where, when, or who found the FDR. I have already stated the FBI and FAA will not release part numbers so you do not have the evidence to support your theory.



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@ 1:09 in the video. The old man predicts exactly what happened on Flight 93 way before they even found the CockPit Voice Recorder which later on, allegedly, revealed a struggle onboard.

"This black box in this incident could be a key because, i think, personally ther was struggle in that airplane before it hit the ground and someone made a heroric effort to keep "that" from hitting a popular area."

Either this guy has amazing psychic powers or he knew damn well what is going to be on the FDR and CVR days before they were found..
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Originally posted by runetang

The most likely situation was a missile strike which blew 93 out of the sky, this was why they needed to doctor the "crash site" and plant evidence, supposedly. Because it was destroyed at such a high altitude, killing all abord instantly, spreading their charred remains over miles and miles of wooded area, never to be seen again.

Roger that. Undoubtedly that is how they bought the farm. Which is way bad enough for me. But hey, air defence did its job on that one, if that is true.

reply to post by IvanZana


I really am psychic. I noticed that before you edited to post the captions and was going to say so. (Along with a "Yo Ivan, whutta we lookin' for hea?")

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("This black box in this incident could be a key because, i think, personally there was struggle in that airplane before it hit the ground and someone made a heroric effort to keep "that" from hitting a popular area."

I wonder if they off'ed that guy for being so loose.

Originally posted by IvanZana

("This black box in this incident could be a key because, i think, personally there was struggle in that airplane before it hit the ground and someone made a heroric effort to keep "that" from hitting a popular area."

I believe their probably was struggle because the people onboard knew if they did not regain control they would be shot down.

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Mock hijacking causes a scare

SOURCE

Chaos and confusion prevailed in the civil aviation ministry and the airport authority offices on Saturday after reports that militants had hijacked a Jet Airways flight going from Bangalore to Madras.

But it turned out to be a mock exercise that the civil aviation authorities were conducting to check the preparedness of the pilots and the aircraft crew in the wake of the hijacking of the Indian Airlines Flight 814 to Kandahar in December....

He said the mock exercise went smoothly. "The problem was created by the journalists who spread the story that is was a hijack. In the wake of the Kandahar incident, everyone believed it," he said.

A K Shivannandan, the Jet Airways spokesperson in New Delhi said that the Jet Airway office in the capital was not even aware of this exercise. "We were taken aback as we were not aware of it," he said.

There is your answer.

Disaster drills.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
believe their probably was struggle because the people onboard knew if they did not regain control they would be shot down.

Or what if someone not actually on the plane couldn't take a chance on it landing with the 'hijackers' in a fit state to answer questions?
Which was a distinct possibility if the passengers got control back.

Just rambling

Now that Mikevet and Captain Obvious are not trolling this thread, now we have a chance to read some info.


This next story is about the Flight 1989 who also had a "hijacking" on 911 .


This next story is real. Calls took place, passengers thought hijacking was real, bomb on board, Just like " FLight 93 "

Did Flight 93 became flight 1989?

SOURCE Traveling on Delta Flight 1989 on 9/11
My spouse] and I and six other fellow [...] employees were on the 8 am flight from Boston to Los Angeles on Tuesday, but we were on the Delta flight [1989], the one out of three 8am flights departing Logan that did not get hijacked. Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.

Now this is the interesting part and may answer the calls from the airplanes.

S/he confirmed that the pilot gave them permission to make one call while they were on the plane. S/he remembers it as being while they were still in the air while her initial letter says that it was after they landed. Either there were 2 calls allowed, their memory (5 years later) differs from what happened, or s/he was incorrect in the initial letter. Remember that s/he wasn't, at the time, writing for posterity but to reassure family and friends. S/he doesn't remember what time s/he was able to make a call(s) that was but for reason thinks it was closer to 1000. It was around the time the first tower collapsed. That was one piece of the information they got while still in the air. They were later able to make more calls after they had landed in Cleveland.
They were told to make one call but people might have snuck more. S/he remembers thinking that it was a very inappropriate joke when someone mentioned one of the WTC towers collapsing.

Those calls probably sounded like " Mom, Mom!, I think we are being Hijacked, you belive me dont you?"

Flight 93 CVR " Hello this is tha Captain, please remain seated, we have a bomb on board and are landing at the nearest airport!"

The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard

Mabey This was the incident where Mark Beamer and friends "letsroll'd" to restrain the 2 people with the "Same Middle Eastern Name".

SHocking simulatrity.

Could it of been one the mock hijacking occuring that day?









[edit on 11-1-2008 by IvanZana]

Originally posted by IvanZana

PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

12/22/07

PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH
www.pilotsfor911truth.org

Contact: Robert Balsamo
e-mail: [email protected]

UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS
Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain United Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder information, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder (FDR). The data provided by the NTSB contradict observed events in several significant ways:

The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.
All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.
Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.
Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.
Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.
In May, 2007, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that United Airlines Flight 93 created the impact crater as reported, in Somerset County, PA on the morning of September 11, 2001 .According to the US Govt, United Airlines Flight 93 approached Somerset County from the North-Northwest at a high altitude on the morning of September 11, 200 1 . However, many witnesses contradict altitude as well as approach path. Also according to reports, and as the impact crater suggests, United Airlines Flight 93 impacted terrain at an almost vertical 90 degree angle, while the Flight Data Recorder shows a 35 degree angle with up-sloping terrain, further reducing impact angle.

The information provided by the US Government does not support reports of United Airlines Flight 93 approach, impact angles, and lack of jet fuel at Somerset Country, PA.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001 . We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of United Flight 93 and the events observed. .As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their Congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information and in depth analysis please visit pilotsfor911truth.org.

Members of Pilots For 9/11 Truth at pilotsfor911truth.org...

ENCLOSURE: Cover letter of FOIA requests.

pilotsfor911truth.org...