FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Hi Ultima,

Are you another one that is refusing to look at the evidence I have shown here? I have posted the names of the people that were involved in the recovery, examination, and identification of the remains of the passengers and crew of flight 93. If you don't believe them, call them! Why don't you write them? Why don't you look into the evidence they recoverd?

Again, I have supplied you guys with the facts here. If it's the truth you are indeed searching for, you will do your research on the facts I presented to you and THEN draw your conslusion.

The offical line on flight 93 has been proven. There has been ZERO evidence to show that:

A. The flight never crashed there
B. It was shot down
C. It went to Cleveland
D. It was vaporized by Judy Woods space beams.


Edit... It took examiners approx. 100 days to identify the passnegers and crew. Do you have any other crashes that it took longer that had as many examiners as this did?
Please provide a source.


[edit on 6-1-2008 by CaptainObvious]

reply to post by tezzajw


Tezzajw,

You my friend obviously have not read one of my posts. You are another truther ignoring the facts.

Over the past several posts, I have shown evidence that supports the offical report of flight 93. I deal with facts. I realize how you are attached to your fantasy and that no matter how many facts that are presented to you, you will ignore them all.

As far as the airplane is concered and the recovery of its parts:

SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.

archives.cnn.com...

Do I have the pictures of the 95%? Nope. That does not mean it does not exist. Even if you were able to obtain them, you would refuse them anyway. Just look at Ivan when I posted pictures of the airplane... he poo poo'd them. Just as I assume you would.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Hi Ultima,

Are you another one that is refusing to look at the evidence I have shown here? I have posted the names of the people that were involved in the recovery, examination, and identification of the remains of the passengers and crew of flight 93. If you don't believe them, call them! Why don't you write them? Why don't you look into the evidence they recoverd?

If you would have read my post i also believe that Flight 93 was shot down.

Also i do research and go by evidence i find. Like the statement from the NIST DNA experts.

www.nist.gov...

Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.

In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious

SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.

archives.cnn.com...


So where are the FBI reports that state where the 95% was taken ?

Where are the FBI reports that state this 95% matched Flight 93 ?

Where are the photos of the 95% ?



[edit on 6-1-2008 by ULTIMA1]

[edit on 6-1-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by IvanZana

And besides, in a court of law, those pictures prove that evidence can be planted to fit any crime desired and 5 years later???

Actually, two of those pictures were used in a court of law that convicted Zacharias Moussaoui and sentenced him to life in prison.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

If you would have read my post i also believe that Flight 93 was shot down.

Also i do research and go by evidence i find. Like the statement from the NIST DNA experts.

www.nist.gov...

Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA ....

In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort,

If you claim to have read my posts, you will see that the evidence I supplied you with was the names of the people that were identifiying the remains at Shanksville.

Remember? This plane crashed into the ground...it did not crash into a skyscraper and then have the building collapse on it.

So where are the FBI reports that state where the 95% was taken ?

Where are the FBI reports that state this 95% matched Flight 93 ?

Where are the photos of the 95% ?

You keep perseverating over the reports. I showed many photos and eyewitness statements. I would have to assume that even if you did have the photos, you would ignore them too.

Also Ultima, if you read all the evidence, you will see that the debris field is not consistance with the plane being shot down.

If you look at all the evidence provided:

a. FDR
b. Cockpit voice recorder
c. Times of phone calls
d. Reports from FBI
e. eyewitness statements
f. materials gathered in the debris fields.

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reply to post by Boone 870


Boone... i think thats what he was stating..that they were planted for the trial.


Facts do not matter to him... he would never want his fantasy to fade.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
...I deal with facts....
...Do I have the pictures of the 95%? Nope. That does not mean it does not exist...

These 'facts' of yours are not facts at all.

How do you figure an anonymous FBI report on a mainstream news channel is 'fact'? I wouldn't consider anything on CNN, or any mainstream news outlet, a 'fact'. Especially when the story supposedly came from an anonymous source connected to the perpetrators. You must be assuming people here are naive?

When we're shown that 95% that was supposedly recovered then you can call it a 'fact', until then it's just your opinion which doesn't became fact because someone says it is.

That's why your 'facts' are not taken seriously...

Please supply a link to this 95% recovered aircraft parts...Oh wait never mind...

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Remember? This plane crashed into the ground...it did not crash into a skyscraper and then have the building collapse on it.

You keep perseverating over the reports. I showed many photos and eyewitness statements. I would have to assume that even if you did have the photos, you would ignore them too.

Well the official story stated there was fire that destroyed the plane (just like at WTC and Pentagon) the same fire would have destroyed DNA (just like at the WTC and Pentagon)

I also believe the plane was shot down so you do not have to post the photos (what little there are)

We just need to have the reports and evidence from the FBI that we should have to prove that the plane was shot down.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Remember? This plane crashed into the ground...it did not crash into a skyscraper and then have the building collapse on it.

You keep perseverating over the reports. I showed many photos and eyewitness statements. I would have to assume that even if you did have the photos, you would ignore them too.

Well the official story stated there was fire that destroyed the plane (just like at WTC and Pentagon) the same fire would have destroyed DNA (just like at the WTC and Pentagon)

I also believe the plane was shot down so you do not have to post the photos (what little there are)

We just need to have the reports and evidence from the FBI that we should have to prove that the plane was shot down.

reply to post by ANOK


Anok... thanks for making my point. It was not anonymous. I LOVE how you guys accuse someone of killing 3 thousand people and dont know the facts.


FYI at the end of the crininal investigation of flight 93, the FBI agent that spoke to the media is Bill Crowley. Perhaps you can write him to get more information.

Please show me what information you have that supports whatever fantasy you have.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1


Well the official story stated there was fire that destroyed the plane (just like at WTC and Pentagon) the same fire would have destroyed DNA (just like at the WTC and Pentagon)

No, it's not the same. Really, Ultima you are much smarter than that.

I also believe the plane was shot down so you do not have to post the photos (what little there are)

I will admit that I once thought this too. Evidence does not support this theory.

We just need to have the reports and evidence from the FBI that we should have to prove that the plane was shot down.

The evidence does not supprt this. Look into the phone calls, the FDR, etc. There really isnt anything that proves other than the plane was crashed in Shankville.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
There really isnt anything that proves other than the plane was crashed in Shankville.

Well if we had the reports to see of parts found matched Flight 93 that would be evidence.

We also would need the crime scene reports to verify what was found and what happened to the parts and debris.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well if we had the reports to see of parts found matched Flight 93 that would be evidence.

We also would need the crime scene reports to verify what was found and what happened to the parts and debris.

But your claim is that the plane was shot down. Why are you concerned with matching parts?

The DNA that was found matched the passengers and crew. That does not count for anything with you?

I have to get the info as to where the debris is. I believe United Airlines was able to take it after the criminal investigation was completed. (I am not 100% sure if this is accurate.)

reply to post by ULTIMA1

Well the official story stated there was fire that destroyed the plane (just like at WTC and Pentagon) the same fire would have destroyed DNA (just like at the WTC and Pentagon)

I don't remember the official story stating that flight 93 was destroyed by fire. Link please?

I also believe the plane was shot down so you do not have to post the photos (what little there are)

FDR data proves you wrong. No eyewitnesses back up your conclusion.

We just need to have the reports and evidence from the FBI that we should have to prove that the plane was shot down.

Don't forget the FDR.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
...I deal with facts....
...Do I have the pictures of the 95%? Nope. That does not mean it does not exist...

These 'facts' of yours are not facts at all.

How do you figure an anonymous FBI report on a mainstream news channel is 'fact'? I wouldn't consider anything on CNN, or any mainstream news outlet, a 'fact'. Especially when the story supposedly came from an anonymous source connected to the perpetrators. You must be assuming people here are naive?

When we're shown that 95% that was supposedly recovered then you can call it a 'fact', until then it's just your opinion which doesn't became fact because someone says it is.

That's why your 'facts' are not taken seriously...

Please supply a link to this 95% recovered aircraft parts...Oh wait never mind...

There is only 2 or 3 people who seem to believe the wild baseless theories that a plane crashed in ShanksVille in this thread.

They are regurgitating the same baseless, contradicting un-corroberated official caca that no one believed 6 years ago they are also ignorant to think they are making any headway in this thread.

Futile attempts to say the least

They want to deny the pictures prove no plane crash.

Besides the shanksville crash site was part of the terror exercises involving simulated attacks from Russia, multiple terrorist hijackings (fake and real planes), multiple cruise missile attacks.

Some of the exercises were real plane crash simulation. Flight 93 was a crash simulation that they decided to make real, and the 2 or 3 people in this thread fail to see the cover up.

Theyl'l come around.

In my travels i have seen much.
Flight 93 reminds me of Mock Plane Crash exercises which occure anually in most cities but every 3 years or so they do it large scale, sometimes thehospitals and civilians including local authorities dont even know its an exercise.
Thats the best way to analize procedures in real time is by making it as real as possible. The simulations come complete with fuselage, fire, smoke, blood, screaming and dead people, as real as possible.
Here is some links to these common fake air crash exercises.
Sometimes these exercises are even a suprise to the city to test their natural response.
ardmoreite.com...
www.leadercall.com...
www.cbc.ca...

Agencies learn from simulated plane crash


The interagency Major Accident Response Exercise -- unfortunately staged on the same day as a real-world aircraft disaster with casualties in New York -- tested responsiveness and cooperation efforts among Selfridge Air National Guard Base, the U.S. Coast Guard, the Harrison Township Fire Department and several other agencies

www.macombdaily.com...

just to name a few.

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reply to post by IvanZana



Ivan... when are you going to back up your posts with evidence? The only thing your gaining in here is your point total. Your sut and paste your posts over and over and that proves nothing.

By saying only 2 or 3 people believe that 93 crashed in shanksville is a lie. It's actually quite the opposite. Only the hard core Ct'ers think 93 didn't crash in Shanksville.

Let me know when you can back up your claims with evidence!

reply to post by IvanZana



Wow! Emergency agencies practicing for emergencies. Who would've thunk it?

How does this help you prove that flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville?

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Excellent point. Considering DNA testing for positive ID was in its infancy then, and just beginning to be accepted by more courts across the nation.

It was not until the very late 90s, the human and other genome projects were actually getting recognition as being a valid source of positive ID of human beings. Plus, determining if the remains were human or some other species, when there was no other way to identify the difference. I will stop without describing exactly what I mean.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Obviously, it has not dawned on you yet no matter how many times your opposition has stated and prove it. You are rehashing, and acting the messenger for the same Rovian disiformation we have redundantly read before. In order to know that, we have to read your posts. We have no choice in the matter, or could not logically reply to the contrary.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


What you showed for photographs was 95% of a Boeing 757? That is absurd to even imply much less make such an untrue statement.