FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

reply to post by MikeVet


Metal debris is not proof of an airliner crash. The field was used as a dump for metal debris.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by MikeVet

 

The field was used as a dump for metal debris.

Oh really? And you have evidence of that?

Making such a statement and then failing to have any evidence to back it up is grounds for warning....

reply to post by MikeVet


You should worry about your own warnings. Go back in the thread where the evidence was already posted.

reply to post by jackinthebox


In open rural areas, even light pieces of metal get blown across the fields and open areas by the wind. There was a building on the photographed and videotaped site. It may have been an equipment building belonging to the mining company. They would have all types of metal lying around doing repairs on equipment etc.

Originally posted by IvanZana
There seems to be more proof that a missile was used to cause the crater at the Shanksville crater site and not a plane.

THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing “a screaming thing” that “screeched” as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

“It was like nothing I’ve ever heard before,” Smith said.

The explosion that followed sounded like a “sonic boom,” he said. Smith and others said they felt the shock wave from the explosion.

Smith said he was used to seeing a variety of military aircraft from the nearby Air National Guard bases in Johnstown and Cumberland, Md.

www.americanfreepress.net...

Another groundskeeper said he saw a silver plane pass overhead toward the crash site from the southeast after hearing the loud “screeching” sound. The large silver plane was at an elevation of several thousand feet, he said.

A local veteran who flew combat helicopters in the Vietnam War told AFP that the high-pitched screeching sound was indicative of a missile.

Shown a photo of an A-10 Warthog, the groundskeeper identified it as the kind of plane that circled the crash site at a very low altitude three times before flying away. He recognized the two vertical fins on the rear of the plane. “Nobody was interested in what we saw,” he said. “They didn’t even ask us.”


Would you not agree that the Shankville crater looks like this Jet launch missile?

It sure does. wow.

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reply to post by MikeVet


I guess I did respond to Boone's post first, but who cares? I hadn't taken the time to look at Boone's estimation of the crash site when I responded to SwampFox, and I still haven't had a chance to throughly investigate, so I reserve comment.

Whether or not Boone is correct in his assessment of the crash site on the map does not change the fact that SwampFox made statements to fact that he could not back up with evidence. In fact he has still not answered my questions in that post, surprise, surprise.

I will tell you once again, I am not DEFENDING anything, I am offering my OPINION of pictures posted on this thread. Even if Boone's assessment turns out to be correct it does not change that fact that the aerial shot he posted looks like a round blast crater on top of an older scar, and that the picture Ivan posted looks like unbroken blades of grass growing out of un-weathered dirt contained in an indentation that many are calling the "wing scar."

And before you start calling me a liar again let me reiterate, THIS IS MY OPINION. Agree with it, disagree with it, I don't really care.

Thanks as always for finding some mundane error in my post and blowing it out of proportion while completely avoiding all the other pertinent comments and questions I have pointed out. If that's the only thing you can find wrong with my previous posts then I guess you agree with me on the rest. Thanks again.

Tom Spinelli, who was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away, also "saw the white plane" he said.
What was this mysterious white aircraft?

According to Independent UK, Purbaugh, served three years in the US Navy.
Did someone tell him, what to say?

In another bizarre twist, almost two years later, Rollock was also interested in the takeover of Bethlehem, the very same company, who made the i-beams and girders for the Twin Towers.

2nd debris field??


What shoud be most noticed is that notice all those people in hazmat suits searching the field?

Notice no one is searching the hole??

Because there is nothing in the hole.

Mabey they are looking for cruise missile parts?

???

THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing “a screaming thing” that “screeched” as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

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[edit on 2-1-2008 by IvanZana]

Here are the times, and they did have over 1/2 hour to get those military jets in the air and intercept before 10:03 am. According the BTS, alleged Flight 93 left the east coast at 8:28 am (must have had an immediate free runway which is odd in itself), and was in contact with the Cleveland FAA center at 9:28 am, when it was last allegedly heard. At 10:03 am, the alleged Flight 93 allegedly crashed in the Shanksville. That is where the cited excerpt below becomes highly interesting.

Flight 93 left Newark NJ at 8:42 - 41 minutes late. By the time it arrived
at OH-PA area controllers began to suspect transcontinent flights out of
LOGAN (Boston)as hijack targets. DELTA 1989 fit the profile - this was
even before Pentagon was hit. As controllers began to track DELTA 1989
it crossed path with Flight 93. When Flight 93 was hijacked controllers
confused it with Delta 1989. Just because some paranoid conspiracy
is posted on internet doesn't make it right or true.

911 eye witnesses--

THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing “a screaming thing” that “screeched” as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

Multiple eye witnesses admit to not seeing a large comercial aircraft but more of a wingless missile.

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reply to post by thedman


Not according to BTS, which records all take-off and landing times. Because it is their job to accurately do so.

reply to post by OrionStars


Do you have a link to the BTS records? I asked John Lear earlier in this thread and he didn't respond, can you?

reply to post by thedman


How could they have crossed paths, since by 10:03 am the reports stated that alleged Flight 93 had already crashed in Shanksville?

911review.org...

"Inmidst the chaos breaking out in the hours after the WTC and Pentagon attacks, between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m an airplane made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins Airport . Rumours were going around that it was hijacked or had a bomb on board. The FBI evacuated the plane and searched it with bomb-sniffing dogs after the passengers had left. It turned out to be false alarm. The plane - Delta flight1989 - was not hijacked, and there was no bomb."

reply to post by Boone 870


As I recall, I already provided the link as embedded in an excerpt I pulled out of an article and cited the addres of the article. That author linked in the BTS website. I do not have it as a saved separate website. I do not recall which website I cited it was on. However, if you Goggle for BTS, you should be able to find that website quite easily.

911 Review - Flight 93 LINKAlso very curiously, there are reports of 2 F-16's were trailing it:

(Before 10:06 a.m.) CBS television reports at some point before the crash that two F-16 fighters are tailing Flight 93. [Independent, 8/13/02] Shortly after 9/11, a flight controller in New Hampshire ignores a ban on controllers speaking to the media, and it is reported he claims "that an F-16 fighter closely pursued Flight 93... the F-16 made 360-degree turns to remain close to the commercial jet, the employee said. 'He must've seen the whole thing,' the employee said of the F-16 pilot's view of Flight 93's crash." [AP, 9/13/01, Nashua Telegraph, 9/13/01]

So with witnesses hearing/ seeing a "fast screaming thing" being the cause for the crater, small fast jet soon after, no plane wreakage, small crater with black coal uprooted, conflicting official accounts, 2 f-16's, Terrorist Drills (amalgam Viro) running mulitple simultaneous fake radar blips and real live de-comissioned commercial aircraft hijackings in that exact area.

It would be fair to assume the official story conflicts eyewitness reports.

It seems like Ossama may have tricked the U.S agencies by doing a terrorist act during and exercise, kinda caught the U.S during dress rehearsal so to speak.

Is it possibly due to national security involving said exercises that one of those fake radar blips had to be 'virtually destroyed' as well as provide real world proof?

In turn a cover up insued over Flight 93 and evidence fabricated due to the fear of a public outcry and conspiracies exspecially during such a sensitive time such 9.11.



Bust this one wide open.



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reply to post by IvanZana


If a missile did indeed make that hole in the Shanksville area, considering coal was exactly what was strip mined in that area, it would certainly tend to blow out any residual coal dust or pieces of coal. Particularly, when a missle dug in at high velocity and exploded. Thereby, uprooting a large round area of an ex-strip mined coal and soil, and whatever else was used to fill in the pits. That would do it alright. That would certainly explain any black clouds of smoke anyone could see rising up above the tree line.

What type of missile are we talking about here? Eyewitnesses describing they saw a missile? What speeds are we talking here? Becasuse I doubt that if the missile was "screaming" that they would be able to see it, is like when you hear a military jet, you turn your head to where the souns is coming but more than likely you aint going to find no jet, jet is long gone.

But hey im no expert so easy.

THE SCREAMING THING

At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing “a screaming thing” that “screeched” as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

“It was like nothing I’ve ever heard before,” Smith said.

The explosion that followed sounded like a “sonic boom,” he said. Smith and others said they felt the shock wave from the explosion.

Smith said he was used to seeing a variety of military aircraft from the nearby Air National Guard bases in Johnstown and Cumberland, Md.

www.americanfreepress.net...

Another groundskeeper said he saw a silver plane pass overhead toward the crash site from the southeast after hearing the loud “screeching” sound. The large silver plane was at an elevation of several thousand feet, he said.

A local veteran who flew combat helicopters in the Vietnam War told AFP that the high-pitched screeching sound was indicative of a missile.

He recognized the two vertical fins on the rear of the plane. “Nobody was interested in what we saw,” he said. “They didn’t even ask us.”


So you see, you have Vietnam Vet who said "the high-pitched screeching sound was indicative of a missile.
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[edit on 2-1-2008 by IvanZana]

The scorching of the trees seems more consistent with the detonation of ordinance as is the brief light-colored smoke plume that was photographed.

Show me proof of jet fuel at the scene. A scientific report of samples taken at the scene. Photos of pools of jet fuel. There are none.

Show me proof that the fuel was "atomized" due to the force of the impact and detonated all at once. The force of such an explosion would have been enormous. All of that fuel burning instantaneously under pressure would have burned and leveled all of the trees in the vicinity.

Think about the size of the initial impact explosions at the WTC. If all of the fuel was burned at once in Shanksville, you would be talking an explosion many times the size of those at the WTC.

Furthermore, the firemen did not arrive on scen and quickly douse any fuel fire. Bringing a fuel fire under control takes a lot of resources and significant time. The fuel at WTC burned long enough and hot enough to bring down the towers. Now I realize that firefighters were not actively fighting the blaze in the towers, however the Shanksville fire department is not an airport fire department equipped to fight massive fuel fires. And even if they were, we still would have seen much more fire damage to the are, plain and simple.

There is video. The fire department has one line putting out the smoke..

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