FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

Originally posted by IvanZana
More and more people are waking up to the fact no plane crashed in shanksville.
This picture proves it. Notice the wings scars?No wings, no fuel, no plane.

What about the passengers?

What about the passengers?

People who argue the No Plane theory like to bring up
the question, "What about the passengers?" Yes, about
20 % show up in Social Security Death Index as having
died on 9/11/01 and WCPO reports a United flight 93
as landing at Cleveland-Hopkins Airport.

ssdi.rootsweb.com... (80% do not show up)

(So instead of 266 deaths to deal with you now only
have fifty to sixty.)

web.archive.org...://wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

postmanpatel.blogspot.com...

Reported by: 9News Staff
Web produced by: Liz Foreman
9/11/01 11:43:57 AM

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved.

"United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights," he said

It just doesnt seem to matter how many qoutes you throw at me from Cnn and Nbc, the pictures prove no plane crashed in Shanksville.



[edit on 25-12-2007 by IvanZana]

Originally posted by OrionStars
reply to post by Nickdfresh

 

The news crews were from major network affiliates flown in by the affiliate networks' helicopters.

Which even are you talking about? FL93 crash of the WTC attacks?

I'll assume you're talking about the former and ask how long it took the media to get too a rural field in PA after the crash occurred?

reply to post by Nickdfresh


Here's is what I know for certain regarding aircraft crashes, which has been verified by a relative who worked for the FAA. Never in the documented history of aviation has there never been any identifiable plane parts, passenger bodies and remains, or luggage not at a crash involving aircraft.

I have seen quite a number of aircraft crashes on documentaries. Those also validate what I stated above, as verified by the same relative, who used to work for the FAA.

reply to post by Nickdfresh


I am referring to Flight 93. New crews from major network affiliates are normally home based in cites, such as Philadelphia and Pittsburgh in PA. They are helicopter lifted to where the news is when they have to cover stories quite far from their home base.

Originally posted by IvanZana

Originally posted by IvanZana
More and more people are waking up to the fact no plane crashed in shanksville.
This picture proves it. Notice the wings scars?No wings, no fuel, no plane.

What about the passengers?

What about the passengers?

People who argue the No Plane theory like to bring up
the question, "What about the passengers?" Yes, about
20 % show up in Social Security Death Index as having
died on 9/11/01 and WCPO reports a United flight 93
as landing at Cleveland-Hopkins Airport.

ssdi.rootsweb.com... (80% do not show up)

(So instead of 266 deaths to deal with you now only
have fifty to sixty.)

web.archive.org...://wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

postmanpatel.blogspot.com...

So, they landed at Cleveland, did they?

Really? because confused reporters said so? I also heard a carbomb went off at the State Dept. parking lot on 9/11. Did that happen?

Look It HAS BEEN PROVEN that Flight 93 DID NOT CRASH in shanksville.

Why? Because you say so?

There were over 15 fake radar blips that were confusing air traffic control. Looks like one of them had to be "destroyed".

This next snippet is from the webarchive.

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard


Reported by: 9News Staff
Web produced by: Liz Foreman
9/11/01 11:43:57 AM

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved.

"United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights," he said

Again, confused babble from the very panicky, confusing day of 9/11.

If the plane landed at Cleveland, then indeed what did happen to the passengers?

Were they massacred by Bush's ninja commandos? In public? Where no one could see?

[edit on 25/12/07 by Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by OrionStars
reply to post by Nickdfresh

 

Here's is what I know for certain regarding aircraft crashes, which has been verified by a relative who worked for the FAA. Never in the documented history of aviation has there never been any identifiable plane parts, passenger bodies and remains, or luggage not at a crash involving aircraft.

I have seen quite a number of aircraft crashes on documentaries. Those also validate what I stated above, as verified by the same relative, who used to work for the FAA.

Here's what I know. Somebody is retelling a lie. There were in fact body parts recovered...

www.popularmechanics.com...

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

On the other side, we have a bunch of people like Dom DePre (or whatever his name was) Alex Jones, Rense, et al, who frankly, really do not have the first clue as to what they are talking about, running around saying that no plane crashed there, the Air Force shot it down, blah blah blah......which the evidence directly contradicts......oh wait, we are not supposed to believe the evidence because it came from the government and as we all know, government employees are mindless robots that do whatever they are told to do. Give me a break

United Flight 93 was hijacked, and crashed outside Shanksville, PA on Sept. 11, 2001....as the evidence shows.

Thanks for the post Swampfox. Even though we have had plenty of differences you have never insulted me like this before. You mention Dom DePre (or whatever his name was) Alex Jones, Rense, et al, who frankly do not have the first clue as to what they are talking about, running around saying that no plane crashed, the Air Force shot it down, blah blah blah…which the evidence contradicts…"

Now, Swampfox, I have no idea why you wouldn't include me in that group but I am truly offended. I have made numerous posts about the impossibility of a crash at Shanksville. I have made it clear that my opinion is based on 40 years of aviation experience as a pilot with 19,000+ hours, as an instructor, as somebody who has built airplanes, as someone who has investigated airplane crashes, as someone who has read over 20 years of NTSB reports, as someone who has looked at all the facts surrounding the alleged facts of the crash as Shanksville and determined there was no airplane crash there.

You are free to state your opinion on any of the threads here at ATS. But in stating that opinion you cannot blatantly and without cause leave out those whose opinions differ with yours, which is me.

Now I respectfully request that you restate your post and include my name or I will bring it to the attention of the management of ATS.

Thank you for your consideration and Merry Christmas.

reply to post by OrionStars

The news crews were from major network affiliates flown in by the affiliate networks' helicopters.

Doubtful. The FAA grounded all civilian aircraft at 9:45. United 93 crashed at 10:03.

reply to post by Nickdfresh


Cleveland has their own major network affiliates. They might be air lifted by helicopter from downtown Cleveland or drive to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, depending which is faster per their current location, if not the station. It depends on how fast the station manager wants his people to get to a news scene to beat out the competition.

They were the people who filming a plane isolated on a runway, stating that passengers were no longer on board, and further stated it was the alleged Flight 93. The next day, the story changed to alleged Flight 93 did an expert military pilot maneuver over the Cleveland area, and headed southeast and crashed in PA.

Two planes landed within a short time of one another. One of them was reported to be Flight 93, with a potential bomb on board. That was the plane shown isolated on a runway far away from the terminal.

[edit on 25-12-2007 by OrionStars]

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[edit on 25-12-2007 by IvanZana]

WCPO.com's Flight 93 Story

I thought it was time to set the record straight on a website error that's gotten out of hand.

I've been getting calls and e-mails for several years, all from folks who have seen my byline on a story (Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard) about Flight 93, the plane that crashed in a Pennsylvania field on September 11, 2001.

The story in question, an Associated Press bulletin, was posted on WCPO.com during the morning of September 11, 2001. The story stated that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland. This was not true.

Once the AP issued a retraction a few minutes later, we removed the link.

There were two problems:

1)I only removed the link TO the story. We did not remove the story itself. This was my error probably due to the busy nature of the day - I was the only person updating the website until about noon that day, and things were crazier than they’d ever been.

2) The byline was incorrect. In my haste, I pasted the “Reported by: 9News Staff” byline from a previous story, but this was actually an Associated Press story.

Sometime in 2003 I received an e-mail inquiring about the story. I quickly removed the story, and wrote back to the person, thanking them for the heads up about the incorrect story.

Things didn't stop there.

Messages and phone calls started coming in about "Why did the government make me remove the story?" As is the nature of the net, folks had gotten a hold of the old story and posted it on their own blogs, fueling even more interest in the situation.

So, for everyone who is still wondering about this story, here are some frequently asked questions. I'm hoping this clears everything up once and for all!


FAQ

1. Where did the original story come from?
The story was an Associated Press bulletin that came across the news wires. Associated Press is a news service that many news organizations subscribe to for non-local news. The idea is that a local news organization can’t possibly have reporters everywhere in the world, so for that reason, we publish stories written by Associated Press journalists.

2. So you didn’t report the story yourself?
No, I work at the website in Cincinnati. I generally do not do any reporting out in the field. Also, I was not in Cleveland, nor does WCPO-TV have a Cleveland-based reporter. If you’re not familiar with the geography of Ohio, Cleveland is a good four hours away from us.

There were two problems:

1) I only removed the link TO the story. We did not remove the story itself. This was my error probably due to the busy nature of the day - I was the only person updating the website until about noon that day, and things were crazier than they’d ever been.

2) The byline was incorrect. In my haste, I pasted the “Reported by: 9News Staff” byline from a previous story, but this was actually an Associated Press story.

3. Why didn’t you remove the problem story page from the outset?
My mistake, that’s why. I removed the link TO the story, but didn’t remove the actual story. Then, the story page was indexed by the major search engines. I didn’t even know the story hadn’t been removed until after I was contacted by a member of the public.

4. Why DID you remove the page?
Because it was in error.

5. Why did you create this FAQ page? Isn’t that just fueling the fire?
I’ve been getting a ton of phone calls and e-mails about this recently and answering everyone would make it hard for me to get my day job – running the website – accomplished. Also, unlike the old media paradigm, which is “ignore it and it’ll go away,” the Internet means a two-way conversation with our website users. So, in the interest of media transparency, this is my attempt to clear the air.

Posted by Liz Foreman on February 8, 2006 05:22 PM | Permalink


[edit on 25/12/07 by Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by OrionStars
reply to post by Nickdfresh

 

Cleveland has their own major network affiliates. They might be air lifted by helicopter from downtown Cleveland or drive to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, depending which is faster per their current location, if not the station. It depends on how fast the station manager wants his people to get to a news scene to beat out the competition.

They were the people who filming a plane isolated on a runway, stating that passengers were no longer on board, and further stated it was the alleged Flight 93. The next day, the story changed to alleged Flight 93 did an expert military pilot maneuver over the Cleveland area, and headed southeast and crashed in PA.

Two planes landed within a short time of one another. One of them was reported to be Flight 93, with a potential bomb on board. That was the plane shown isolated on a runway far away from the terminal.

[edit on 25-12-2007 by OrionStars]

Feel free to provide verifiable links to this...

Rare Live News From Shankville.


"Nothing you can distiguinsh that a plane crashed there".....

Great video.

Posted by John Lear
I have made it clear that my opinion is based on 40 years of aviation experience as a pilot with 19,000+ hours, as an instructor, as somebody who has built airplanes, as someone who has investigated airplane crashes, as someone who has read over 20 years of NTSB reports, as someone who has looked at all the facts surrounding the alleged facts of the crash as Shanksville and determined there was no airplane crash there.

Knowledge is nothing without experience.

Merry Christmas.

[edit on 25-12-2007 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana


One, of many of the aspects I find utterly amazing, is that a plane is alleged to have crashed there, and what appears to be a wood frame building, so close to an alleged aircraft crash, did not appear to have one iota of damage done to it. Did anyone else see any damage to that building?

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

WCPO.com's Flight 93 Story

I thought it was time to set the record straight on a website error that's gotten out of hand.

Thanks for history rewrite Nickdfresh. As you know history belongs to the victors.

Just thought I'd mention that it's not over 'till the fat lady sings.

Thanks for the post and Merry Christmas.

BTW, to answer my own question. I have seen an aircraft crash. No. actually, I have seen TWO AIRCRAFT crash at once. You see, I was in attendance at an air show held at Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station (NY) in the year of 1986. The Blue Angels were performing as a sort of crescendo...

Two of the aircraft (A-4 Skyhawks) collided, falling to earth erupting into mushroom clouds of fire. Unfortunately one of the pilots was killed. Days later, I saw the news which showed aerial footage of the crash sites as little more than black spots with virtually no discernible wreckage. So, I often have a hard time believing the claims of 9/11 theorists regarding wreckage and what not....

Flame on...

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Nickdfresh

WCPO.com's Flight 93 Story

I thought it was time to set the record straight on a website error that's gotten out of hand.

Thanks for history rewrite Nickdfresh. As you know history belongs to the victors.

Just thought I'd mention that it's not over 'till the fat lady sings.

Thanks for the post and Merry Christmas.

It's not my "history rewrite." I think it is the "rewrite" of the chick who wrote it too begin with.

In any case, happy Christmas, and a Merry New Year yourself...

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

BTW, to answer my own question. I have seen an aircraft crash. No. actually, I have seen TWO AIRCRAFT crash at once. You see, I was in attendance at an air show held at Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station (NY) in the year of 1986. The Blue Angels were performing as a sort of crescendo...

Two of the aircraft (A-4 Skyhawks) collided, falling to earth erupting into mushroom clouds of fire. Unfortunately one of the pilots was killed. Days later, I saw the news which showed aerial footage of the crash sites as little more than black spots with virtually no discernible wreckage. So, I often have a hard time believing the claims of 9/11 theorists regarding wreckage and what not....

Flame on...

Nickdfresh, very interesting. Are you telling us that your sole information about the crash was news aerial footage? Are you kidding us? Aerial footage? Do you mean you were not at the scene of the actual crash? What I mean is you are commenting on the wreckage of the crash having only seen aerial footage?

Thanks for the post anyway.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Nickdfresh

BTW, to answer my own question. I have seen an aircraft crash. No. actually, I have seen TWO AIRCRAFT crash at once. You see, I was in attendance at an air show held at Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station (NY) in the year of 1986. The Blue Angels were performing as a sort of crescendo...

Two of the aircraft (A-4 Skyhawks) collided, falling to earth erupting into mushroom clouds of fire. Unfortunately one of the pilots was killed. Days later, I saw the news which showed aerial footage of the crash sites as little more than black spots with virtually no discernible wreckage. So, I often have a hard time believing the claims of 9/11 theorists regarding wreckage and what not....

Flame on...

Nickdfresh, very interesting. Are you telling us that your sole information about the crash was news aerial footage?

Uh, no man. If you read my post closer like an aeronautical engineer should, you'll see I was present the day of the tragedy, thereby authenticating the scope and scale of the crash.

The media footage was a postmortem display of the event and an afterview of the crash sites...

Are you kidding us? Aerial footage? Do you mean you were not at the scene of the actual crash? What I mean is you are commenting on the wreckage of the crash having only seen aerial footage?

Thanks for the post anyway.

I think if you read my original post, you'd find that I was indeed there...

[edit on 25/12/07 by Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

It's not my "history rewrite." I think it is the "rewrite" of the chick who wrote it too begin with.

I understand, I mean thanks for presenting the "history rewrite" by the chic who rewrote it. Regardless of who actually rewrote it, it was you who presented it.

Thanks for the Merry Christmas.