FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

The rest of the remains were vaporized on impact.

Along with the missing engine right?

reply to post by jackinthebox


Ever been to a plane crash site? I know people that have worked recoveries, and there are VERY FEW human remains left afterwards. And they are usually pieces of body parts. It's very very rare to find a fully intact body from a high speed impact like this one was. The human body is the most fragile part of the plane.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999Lets see...you speak of Mark Bingham and wonder if it is odd that he would say, "This is Mark Bingham" at the beginning of a phone call. Maybe to you its odd....to his mother, family and coworkers...that was how he started his phone calls. To them, it would have been odd if he HAD NOT said, "This is Mark Bingham"

Then you mention a second crash site...problem is, there wasnt a "second" crash site. The debris you refer to that was 8 miles away...wasnt chunks of airplane...it was paper items....light things that would blow in the wind. Despite Ivan's spamming, the truth remains, United Flight 93 crashed outside of Shanksville, PA on 9/11/01.


When asked about his supposed statement that were no bodies at the crash site, coroner Wallace Miller had this to say......

"It's all bull#," says Miller. "I'm not saying I was misquoted, but the quote was taken out of context. There were pieces of people. Trust me. I cleaned it up. The plane hit the ground doing 575 miles per hour. The rest of the remains were vaporized on impact. But we did ID everyone onboard."

www.freetimes.com...

And what of the "I'm your son", and "You do believe me, don't you" conversations, I notice you conveniently skip over that.

reply to post by Zaphod58

Ever been to a plane crash site?

Not one with such an extreme velocity impact.

VERY FEW human remains left afterwards. And they are usually pieces of body parts. It's very very rare to find a fully intact body from a high speed impact like this one was.

I would not necessarily expect to find much intact, but bodies don't just vaporize either. Even when they smack concrete at a few hundred miles an hour and pop like a water balloon, there is still plenty of identifiable mass. Well, identifiable enough to know what it is anyway.

reply to post by Alethia


Show me where he said "I am your son." That is news to me.

By him saying "You believe me don't you?"

What do you think this means?

The man is on a hijacked plane. He KNOWS he is going to die. What would YOUR reaction have been Alethia?

reply to post by jackinthebox


JIB...

It is a fact that hundreds of pounds of human remains were found at the crash site. These remains were identified as to those who were on flight 93. Wally Miller was in charge of the process and was assisted by members of the MORT team.

What would you think happened to the rest of the remains?

:TY:

And they recovered enough to identify the passengers and crew from the plane. I've known people and heard stories of relatively low angle impacts where they biggest piece of remans recovered was an arm. Everything else was torn apart or unrecognizable as human remains.

In the case of flight 93, you have a high speed high angle impact where as soon as the nose hits the ground everything is going to start to compress forward. Remains are not going to remain intact or be recognizable when you have a plane the size of a 757 compressing like that.

There was an A-6 intruder crash that hit at an angle similar to flight 93, that when the military investigators arrived their first question was "Where it is?" When they found it almost 6 feet underground, the 8-10 foot long engines were 3 feet long. If it could do that to the engines of that plane, imagine what it's going to do to any human remains.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt

It is a fact that hundreds of pounds of human remains were found at the crash site.

I have seen no idependent verification of this, or that proper chain of custody protocols were followed in identifying them. More importantly, I would be hundreds of pounds of remains if I croaked right now, all by my lonesome.

What would you think happened to the rest of the remains?

That's the million dollar question. But if there weren't remains there, then the remains were not there, unless someone can prove otherwise somehow.

reply to post by Zaphod58


If there was one big gooey mess even, it would make more sense. We might expect to find that with the "compression" that you are talking about. But of course, that would make it practically impossible to do any sort of identification whatsoever.

But we're not talking about conpression here though. We are talking about the opposite, with the plane and the bodies. Vaporization would be the result of expansion, not compression.

reply to post by jackinthebox


JIB,

this is where it frustrates me to discuss things in a civil manner with folks like you.

You ignore what is in front of you. Have you looked into the how the reminas were recovered? Have you looked into the MORT team that was dispatched? Have you contacted the MORT team?

Contact information for Mr. Miller and the MORT team have all been posted in this thread several times.

You question the protocal...so tell me, what have you or are you doing to answer your question?

Yes, if you dropped dead in your home right know, odds are there would be hundreds of pounds of remains.

How many pounds of you would remain if a plane crashed in your house while you watched TV?

reply to post by ThroatYogurt

You ignore what is in front of you.

And what am I ignoring?

Have you contacted the MORT team?

No. I am not a professional 9/11 investigator, so I will leave it to someone else to try and get a response. Wether or not they are actually hiding anything, I'm sure they ignore hundreds of requests for information every day. Just like every other agency involved with 9/11.

You question the protocal...so tell me, what have you or are you doing to answer your question?

Waiting for the proper investigation that my tax dollars should be spent on. If I have to do the investigation myself, I want a refund, for every single American.

How many pounds of you would remain if a plane crashed in your house while you watched TV?

The same few hundred pounds.

reply to post by jackinthebox


We have both going on. You have the compression from the initial impact, followed by the explosion. The explosion would have torn most of the bodes into tiny little pieces that no one would recognize, and the compression of certain parts that DIDN'T explode would have turned other bodies into unrecognizable pieces.

reply to post by Zaphod58


I see your point. I'll have to think on that. '

Perhaps I might try to contact MORT after all, with one primary question. That would be, "Were the bulk of the recovered remains found compressed in a single location?"

Originally posted by jackinthebox


And what am I ignoring?

If you were sincere about getting answers to your questions, they are all right in front of you.

No. I am not a professional 9/11 investigator, so I will leave it to someone else to try and get a response. Wether or not they are actually hiding anything, I'm sure they ignore hundreds of requests for information every day. Just like every other agency involved with 9/11.

take 5 mins to type an e-mail. I have sent many, have received many responses.

Waiting for the proper investigation that my tax dollars should be spent on. If I have to do the investigation myself, I want a refund, for every single American.

You don't need to "investigate". Simply reseaching information that is right in front of you would (should) answer most of the questions you have.

How many pounds of you would remain if a plane crashed in your house while you watched TV?


The same few hundred pounds.

Well, that about sums it up. A plane crashes in your house at over 500MPH, explodes on impact, and you expect to be intact?

Wow


:ty:

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jackinthebox

 

Ever been to a plane crash site?

Have you ever been to a plane crash disaster drill simulation exercise required by the FAA every year and a large scale every 3?

I have... and it looks EXACTLY like the flight 93 / Shanksville disaster drill site scheduled for Sepetmebr 11th, 2001. Like the other exercises taking place, they went live.

Most of these exercise take place without any residents or even emergency dispatchers and workers having any knowledge of that what they are responding to is just a drill all complete with craters, plane wreakage, body parts etc.....

Wow! Amazing! The drill for the plane crash looks just like the real thing! What would be the point of having a drill that WASN'T realistic? You'd have a bunch of people respond to the site and have no idea what to do, so you make it as realistic as possible. Go figure.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt

If you were sincere about getting answers to your questions, they are all right in front of you.

Show me.

take 5 mins to type an e-mail. I have sent many, have received many responses.

You know very well that research involved down this path would take far more than an email. So don't be disingenuous. It makes you look foolish.

More to the point, if it was so easy to get those answers, why don't we have that material already after all these years?

Well, that about sums it up. A plane crashes in your house at over 500MPH, explodes on impact, and you expect to be intact?

I never said I would be "intact" so kindly refrain from making baseless assumptions.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

 

The rest of the remains were vaporized on impact.

Along with the missing engine right?

Umm....two mangled hulks that used to be engines were recovered.....so which engine do you think was missing?

Originally posted by Alethia

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999Lets see...you speak of Mark Bingham and wonder if it is odd that he would say, "This is Mark Bingham" at the beginning of a phone call. Maybe to you its odd....to his mother, family and coworkers...that was how he started his phone calls. To them, it would have been odd if he HAD NOT said, "This is Mark Bingham"

Then you mention a second crash site...problem is, there wasnt a "second" crash site. The debris you refer to that was 8 miles away...wasnt chunks of airplane...it was paper items....light things that would blow in the wind. Despite Ivan's spamming, the truth remains, United Flight 93 crashed outside of Shanksville, PA on 9/11/01.


When asked about his supposed statement that were no bodies at the crash site, coroner Wallace Miller had this to say......

"It's all bull#," says Miller. "I'm not saying I was misquoted, but the quote was taken out of context. There were pieces of people. Trust me. I cleaned it up. The plane hit the ground doing 575 miles per hour. The rest of the remains were vaporized on impact. But we did ID everyone onboard."

www.freetimes.com...

And what of the "I'm your son", and "You do believe me, don't you" conversations, I notice you conveniently skip over that.

Of course Im going to skip over the "Im your son" comment....because he didnt say that. As for "you do believe me, dont you".....yeah I can see that statement coming up in the context of the phone calls made that day.

Originally posted by IvanZana

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jackinthebox

 

Ever been to a plane crash site?

Have you ever been to a plane crash disaster drill simulation exercise required by the FAA every year and a large scale every 3?

I have... and it looks EXACTLY like the flight 93 / Shanksville disaster drill site scheduled for Sepetmebr 11th, 2001. Like the other exercises taking place, they went live.

Most of these exercise take place without any residents or even emergency dispatchers and workers having any knowledge of that what they are responding to is just a drill all complete with craters, plane wreakage, body parts etc.....

"disaster drill simulation exercise required by the FAA every year and a large scale every 3".....Cannot help but think there is some verbiage missing from that statement. But then again, kinda used to that from some posters on the board...