100% Flawless Proof of God

reply to post by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H


This is a good question! I'm not one of them but many Christians seem to think aliens will play a hand in the large end time deception the Bible warns us about and predicts. I have no clue and it seems a little kooky to me but some believe Aliens (who are fallen angels in disguise) will appear during the tribulation and try to show how religious texts (including the Bible) reveal God was actually an ancient alien who people mistook to be a god.

As I said, this is a way out there theory but some seriously believe it. They also think the UFO sightings are conditioning society into accepting the existence of aliens instead of it all coming at them at once when they appear.

EDIT: And they also believe that if the rapture occurs, the disappearance could be blamed on mass alien abduction that we have been conditioned to accept as a possibility.

I have no opinion on the matter, only personal speculation.

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reply to post by Blaine91555

The Book of Mormon is not a Bible.

Hence, why I put the word Bible in quotes.

reply to post by AshleyD


I look forward to your replies. Don't expect a quick response, as I will be out for a few hours, but rest assured, I am intrigues and will check back asap.

are you sure?

Yes I am sure. The word "prophet" actually originates with the Greeks meaning "someone who speaks on behalf of someone else". The poets in those days wrote poems in the third person.

You will find many many different meanings for the word if you look long enough, but this doesn't change the meaning of the word at the time of the bible.

The origin and meaning you quote is just a spin on the real meaning prejudiced by the the meaning given to it by religious leaders.

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reply to post by AshleyD


No offence Ashley , but your AVITAR says relgion has you by the balls,.......... its like some people chuck all there chips in with "GOD" and what for?

10 million billion billion people "belive in it?"



" I think if you was brought up to belive all sheep are sacred cows you would"

so then what do we belive?

EDIT : here was the rant



[edit on 13-12-2007 by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H]

I haven't even read theis thread except for the main post..

I just had to chime in to say that i get really sick of this "does god exist" arguement.

Every darn week there's a "PROOF GOD DOES (or) DOESN'T EXIST" thread.

So, lets think of it this way.....

There is a UNIVERSE, and EXISTENCE........ wwooOOOOooooWWWW!!!!

Now there HAS TO BE SOMETHING that is SO DAMNED FAR ABOVE US that creates this....

This can be alikened to god!!!
....but PLEASE lets get over this notion of this ONE dude, who supposedly created us in his OWN image (so he looks like us how reasurring), that made ONLY US... in this MASSIVE UNIVERSE.. that proberbly contains more STARS than all the atoms of planets earth.

It is an absolute INSULT to think, that we can even so much as SLIGHTLY concieve of the nature of GOD.

Sorry. I do apologies for what has become more of a rant than a point. But my basic take is.....

..We should be OH SO humbled and aware of our selves, when we speak of the Great Creator, Weather it be "Divine Chance" or "Radom Conciousness" (hehe..see what i did there ), It's beyond that which WE can comprehend..outside of SPACE and TIME...

...HEH..yeah Try "relegious ego" in frount of THAT true notion

OUTSIDE, all SPACIAL DIMENTION and TIME...created ALL of this ??before?? it 'was'??!!!
...ooOOOoh be humbled

God could be anything from the big bang to the Aether that IS the fabric of the Universe...

...Yet sooOOoo MANY religions, and 'GODS'... whew, quite tiring really.
I think that most religions make a mockery of whatever the "truth" may be. The LEAST we can do is be OPEN MINDED

Peace-

AoN



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reply to post by scientist

first of all, since you already admitted you don't accept that the earth was less than 10,000 years old, it's a bit unfair to now cite another date

I'm not doing that at all as the "starting date" for this prophecy wasn't at the creation of the world. The starting date for the prophecy is mentioned specifically as being the decree to rebuild the temple after the Babylonian captivity and that is a date we do know from both secular and religious historians. Unless I misunderstood what you meant?

As for the creation of the world, I'm only saying I don't know. If I understood Hebrew fluently I could give you a specific answer but I don't so I can't. I can repeat back to you what I have heard, read, and been taught, but I can't get to the source to tell you for sure. And that is the only way I like to operate- if I can't investigate back to the source, I'll admit I don't know and to recommend asking someone who does.

Also, I think trying to figure out the age of the earth is kind of unrelated to prophecy and has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. The age of the earth is not going to take away from the specificity of a prophecy. In other words, if we are given a prophecy saying there will be a one world government during the tribulation, that prophecy and its fulfillment isn't going to be impacted by the age of the earth.

...not some type of divine intervention...

I can completely see how a skeptic wouldn't understand the magnitude of this prophecy- I didn't either before I was a Christian. Although he wrote a book, the main gist is given for free on his website is HERE. It's a long article so if you're not that interested, just browse the article. He correctly and humorously entitles the article "The Impossible Faith: Or How NOT to Start an Ancient Religion." It really makes sense if you think about how Christianity really was the EXACT OPPOSITE of all the things a religion should have been in the ancient world and how it faced both external and internal persecution from its onset until today.

Look at the inquisition... the witch hunts, etc. Were these times of greater moral value?

Nope! But when you see the prophecy (remember I gave the basic run down) it talks about how not only will the moral decay be prominent, it will also be accepted as normal. In other words, in the past people were appalled by and fought against such acts- even at the stake of their own lives. Today, even Christians sit back and provide very little protest. And when they do, they come off as religious nuts (Think Fred Phelps). But remember the "birth pangs" principle. We are told repeatedly the social decay will go from bad to worse until it reaches its peak during the tribulation. So, we are not in the time where these prophecies will be at their peak obviousness.

But, if we're as close to this point in time as I think we are, ask me again in ten years. Seriously though, you have to take it all in it's context. All of these things are to coincide with Israel becoming a nation in the end times... which is why many followers of Biblical prophecy refer to Israel as "God's prophetic time clock." All of the prophecies mentioned in my above comments are believed to coincide with the rebirth of Israel- and indeed they have.

So if I predict right now, that there will be an even greater expansion in knowledge and travel, would I be wrong?

You have to remember Daniel made this prophecy roughly 2,500 years ago when men were still rubbing sticks together to make fire, so to speak. Again, this is one that has to coincide with the increase of Israel's rebirth.

It is interesting that these are all coming together after this event of 1948.

Okay, I'm running out of characters again even though I'm doing my best to condense my comments. Someone put a muzzle on me! There is so much to explain and clarify but like I said, it would take a book.

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Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

 

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I strongly disapprove of "scaring people into Heaven" because to me His love is infinitely more awesome than a place of judgment and separation. Really, what it all comes down to is we've been warned. We can either accept eternity, love, and peace, or reject Him in spite of the evidence (not proof) that exists and be separated from Him.


See to me its still.."Your either with me or against me" and to me that really just doesnt settle well..To me it comes across as the "Church" attempting to coerce us non Xians into beleiveing we have a choice...be with us or not..but really what kinda of choice is that? Be with you or suffer for all eternity ? Not really much of a option. Almost sounds like God wants us to worship him whether we want to or not. I have nothing against the mesage that jesus brings or in all that can be found in the bible. Im just not crazy about being forced ( in a sense) to buy into it.

reply to post by scientist

classic nostradamus effect. p.s. how can anything form without union?

Like I said, the Bible goes into depth concerning the development of this government, what all it involves, what happens with it, how it controls the people, the uprising of the unions, the war that it causes, etc. I'm just touching the skin of the apple here.

And because so much more is to come, I can't use it as evidence for my belief because it has not yet happened... although I have to admit current government, economic, and technological developments are screaming Here it comes!

reply to post by StandFirm


So this is the only prof you show? your own interpretation and believes?

And that is 100% flawless?

Interesting that it made it to 5 pages.

reply to post by marg6043


I think the five pages are due to my big fat mouth. Not sure why the OP disappeared into oblivion.

reply to post by AshleyD


Is not problem with posting and sometimes in topics like this one it tends to deviate or branch away into subtopics.

But I am trying to see the conspiracy on the OP and can not find it.

when you were a kid looking for your easter eggs did you doubt they were there, NO! hidden from you ,yes. Did you look Yes! Did you give up before you found them NO! You trusted that they were there and if your parents were not cruel jokesters the chocolate was there.
Is this how to understand god Yes! Substitute God for the eggs and your life as the time on the gameclock. Is it a game No! Will all players find the prize No! because they tire of the search. It is not up to anyone else to find your eggs but maybe convince you to get back in the game.
Hope this doesn't come across to simply but the wisdom of man is foolishness to God

reply to post by dreadphil


In all honesty, I hate the concept of Hell- but that doesn't mean I don't believe it exists. I also hate the concept of rape, murder, and child abuse but that doesn't make it magically disappear. (Yes, I understand those things we can see while Hell is something we can only speculate about)

Again, Hell is a place for those who knew but still rejected God. It is a dreadful and scary concept but putting our heads into the sand like an ostrich doesn't make it go away.

Is it really saying either you choose me or be doomed? Sadly, yes... which is why Paul literally preached his sermons in tears because he knew the seriousness of the situation. As much as I hate it, If I truly believe what I believe, I have to admit to the unpopular things along with the good things.

I hate it, I hate thinking about it, I secretly wish the early church fathers snuck the passages about Hell in there after the fact and it doesn't actually exist, etc., etc. But... I can't.



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The only thing the Bible is proof of is that men 2000 years ago A) Could write and B) Had vivid imaginations.

There is no proof any of it is 'the word of God', and even less proof for the existence of a 'God' in the first place.

I live my life by strong moral values, choosing right over wrong and helping others, but that doesn't mean i have to be in a religion to do it. Be a good person without doing it because a book tells you to.

Originally posted by zysin5
Jesus comes back every morning.. Jesus is the sun, and his return comes every morning.. If I give faith to anything it would be the sun moon and the stars. These are things I can see with my own eyes..
These are things that are really there!

And you have pledged allegiance to that which destroys you. Pure foolishness in judgement and naivety in your impression.

Here me, O' Children of Above Top Secret:

There is no proof of God beyond what currently exists.

This is all that you can sense, and that is all you can know of, then. If the Earth, Nature, the Universe, and Physics do not make you believe in a Creator, then the proof already here, which hasn't been "double blind tested", will never be enough for you. You can accept it, or you cannot.

And if you cannot, do not despair. For once I could not, and now I can, is that not the wisdom of the Lord? The work of the Lord?

I have lost more people, things, and other material, worldly bits this year than any year prior, and yet, I have gained more than any year prior, and this I say not just to make my ego feel better of the loss.

Nay, I have gained immensely in the wisdom of the Lord.

God is Allah is YHWH, and I will transgress on the name of Allah no more, for I have made a considerable sin in my treatises on Islam being of an evil root. Whether or not it is currently being used for Good or Evil, it was not of an evil root, and I am humbled extrordinarily in the prescence of my faults. I can only ask for forgiveness, and forgiveness is all that I can offer those who transgress me.

God/Allah/YHWH will announce the coming of Messiah, which is the second coming of Christ's spirit, and in doing so the Mahdi will indeed come forth from hiding. He will come from the Shiites, he will likely be a pupil or of the lineage of Ayatollah Ali-al-Sistani, who has the face of Jesus.

reply to post by AshleyD


Yes Ashley, we truly have a burden on our hands.

The non-believer will go around and say, "why waste your efforts for my sake? surely I will not follow you."

But we do give our efforts, out of compassion for mankind, because we know what is in store for those of us who screw up royally in this game called life .. in the game, and after the game, when the real game begins.

So much despair, sometimes there is nothing to live on for.

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Originally posted by Icon_xof
reply to post by StandFirm

 

There is no proof of god and there never will be unless he/she/it comes down and makes it know in person.

And this is possibly the greatest deception of all time. So to understand you correctly let's first Assume the Bible is the word of God. According to the bible in the end times there will be one that claims to be god and perform many miracles. This must be the God that you will then believe in.

reply to post by AshleyD



well Ill admit that you are the first one I have ever seen, as a reply to my post about being either with or against god, to admit that you agree with the idea and that you are choosing to go with god because you know the alternative is ,well..not acceptable to you. I can respect that..I still dont like it and have a hard time going to church..( mainly for my wife and kids sake) ..but Its at least refreshing to have an honest answer like yours instead of the others I have got. Mainly alot of holier than thou or keep the faith and other biblical rhetoric.

Originally posted by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H
If "Aliens" are Proved to exsist.....does that make god obsolete?

Why would that be the case? I have heard people insinuate that if aliens existed, God could be ruled out... How so?