So here's my opinion on Aliens

Originally posted by Drzava
reply to post by Raoul Duke

 

beleive what u want man, this is way off topic, and i dont wanna ruin this beautiful thread,

Off topic, what's off topic about credible people who believe in extraterrestrial visitation? I didn't think you'd do it but three for three... I'm sorry I can't debate you I'm having a tough time following any of your responses, they just seem funny as all hell to me. I want to apologize if you feel any insult, I just don't think you're well versed at all on this topic. You need to be armed with enough information to engage in a serious debate on a topic...

credible people. ?????
like the op said, jesus, the priest, a nun, the dalai lama, they are all credible people,
but are they teeling the truth? or is just their imagination?

reply to post by Drzava


Well fine, before this gets messy, that's your take on this... I refuse to believe all the well credentialed UFO/extraterrestrial believers are a bunch of nutters fit to be sized for straightjackets (or just opportunists/con people out to make a few bucks)...

please, I'm feeling this is getting a bit too personal for some.
I would like this to be more objective, well to a certain extend, with respect.
I respect everyone's opinion here and I think we can all live better if we treat each other more sensitive.

reply to post by strange1


thats what i said to him, but he doesnt like people with different opinions.

Look into the mirror before you are going outside.
I just made that up. But I think everyone will get it.
And I'm not addressing this to anyone in particular ;-)

reply to post by Drzava


I can't help my reaction to some else's remarks. I have discussions with people here all the time, rarely do I perceive their responses as I did yours; but enough about this, it will surely put this thread in the grave...

why did they say there was no area 51 for so long? i mean why hide technology that WE (humans) thought of and made, who holds the patent for the stealth bomber technology? who invented the fiber optic wire?

why aren't the inventors being praised in the media?

well probably because they don't exist, but area 51 does but you never see anyone claiming to have worked on anything at area 51 besides lazar who has come up with pay stubs whos own school denies he went there

i am not saying believe him, i am just saying why hide area 51 if it's totally human in and out, all things going on made by us

nobody ever talks about working there, well if there is nothing there but our minds, ideas, technologies why hide them?

like just look at roswell, the newspapers themselves say "flying saucer" because that's what crashed there simple as that, they used the words flying saucer because that's what was there, it was saucer shaped and it was flying before it crashed

simple as that!

i think too many ufo people worry about the wrong things, when they can find proof in human actions and reactions

Originally posted by Drzava
credible people. ?????
like the op said, jesus, the priest, a nun, the dalai lama, they are all credible people,
but are they teeling the truth? or is just their imagination?

Typical uniformed skeptic who attacks the people and not the evidence.

Drzava do a little research about the UFO phenomenon from both ends first, than post your typical simple thoughts. I can see you trust your Govt.'s explanation every time?? come on.

Take the Phoenix lights in 1997 for example, military flares? even the Governor Fife Symington said recently that there is no way that they were flares, no way. Him and about 10,000 other people who saw it. That just one example of thousands of credible UFO sightings and not all witnesses are writing books.

Attack the evidence....not the people. Eye witness testimony is used daily to convict felons
why so different here, motives?

Seeing is believing. If you believe you can definitively state that Aliens are nowhere on Earth, you are making a blanket-statement that you cannot back up.

There are top government officials who will swear on their mother's grave that Aliens are here.

Disclosureproject. Look it up.

I respect your opinion, but frankly, I am more inclined to believe the government officials who risked their lives and reputation to reveal the truth to us.

There's also the fact that I have been an eye-witness to multiple UFO's... but that doesn't mean I can vouch for the existence of Alien's. Just UFO's.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by NewWorldOver]

Originally posted by luxor311


Attack the evidence....not the people. Eye witness testimony is used daily to convict felons
why so different here, motives?

HERE HERE! Character assassination is the ugliest aspect of modern skepticism.

Originally posted by Drzava
reply to post by Raoul Duke

 

they are just little babies who lost their jobs and want to screw the government.
-no aliens in here, only secret military weapons-- thats what she said---

and thats what i think

Incredible...

so much for objective reasoning.

Strange1, you're new here, so you most likely haven't seen all the doozies that have been posted here over the years, I'll show you some:

*Note, most of these are years old, so many of the links are dead due to copywrite issues... make sure to search for them more after visiting these links.

One: Operation Prato

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Two: Mass UFO sighting in New South Whales

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Three: Disclosure project (some of it's crap, but they do have ATC controllers and such come forward).

www.disclosureproject.org...

Four: Invasion At Rendlesham

www.abovetopsecret.com... Try watching docos on it too.

Five: UFO Tallahassee (Updated)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Watch all those and stick around for a few years (ufology on ATS is pretty much dead, so it may never happen).... then I think you'll have better judgement on this.

[edit on 29/11/07 by JimmyCarterIsSmarter]

Niiiice. That is a treasure trove right there.

The accounts of E.T. contact are sometimes so incredible and frightening that it's hard to believe. But as one of the best informants said, "Grown men who survived 20 years of military service and mortal combat, have broken down in tears and cried like babies when confronted with the presence of actual E.T.'s."

It's for this reason that even the most elite and priveleged are only exposed to E.T.'s when absolutely necessary. Not even the people 'in' on housing E.T.'s on this planet are able to handle their actual existence. They work on projects without knowing who or what species is really benefitting from it. Take Deep underground military bases for example. I'm trailing off.

To start off. People who are asking for "PROOF". If you have a science background you will know that you can't "absolutely prove" anything.. and I mean anything... "Something" that is accepted by the scientific community is based on evidence... and more evidence and then that evidence is put under scientific scrutiny until that something is replaced by new founding evidence.

Example: world is flat to world is round.

Then I guess we have to look at what is probable, possible and believable on a scale...

My opinion due to science and/or probability, possibility and believablity

Life on other planets: 100%

Intelligent life on other planets: 100%

Life near our planet: 100%

Intelligent life near our planet: definately possible

Intelligent life observing our planet from far far away: Sure its definately possible

Intelligent life observing us here on our planet: Possible but starting to get a little unbelievable

Intelligent life abducting us: Its possible but not very believable


And it continues down the scale to some of the other "fairy tale" threads we have seen on ATS.

But personaly I would believe some of the UFO's that people have seen would be our own craft before I would believe it "other worldly"

And I would believe the government would not discount people saying it is aliens rather then letting the world know they have a highly sophiticated craft.

So its really all about probability, possibility and believablity I think when it come to these types of phenomena

Any alien who is stupid enough to interact with humanity is obviously two bolts short of a spaceship. Therefore they are probably as immoral as the human race. So unfortunately the best we can hope for is an abduction followed by an anal probe. Worst case scenario, we end up as lunch or in a vat as one of their experiments. Welcome to the big, bad universe.

all pieces bind together
if you look you will see
they came in a great cloud once
turn the circle

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
Seeing is believing. If you believe you can definitively state that Aliens are nowhere on Earth, you are making a blanket-statement that you cannot back up.

There are top government officials who will swear on their mother's grave that Aliens are here.

Disclosureproject. Look it up.

I respect your opinion, but frankly, I am more inclined to believe the government officials who risked their lives and reputation to reveal the truth to us.

There's also the fact that I have been an eye-witness to multiple UFO's... but that doesn't mean I can vouch for the existence of Alien's. Just UFO's.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by NewWorldOver]

I agree with your statement that it all comes down to believing. After all I can only back-up my theory with statements from other people or with sources I've found on the web which of course are only trustful as long as you accept to believe these again... so.

Fact is, they have never been officially announced by those we consider "more serious". And I'm not really talking about the government, it seems many here tend to trust the government more than anything else in terms of intelligent politics. I think they're highly supervalued and overrated and wouldn't be able to hide the universe in front of us. That's too extreme and far to complex to keep billions from viewing. I mean, hell, they give logical reasons why e.g. they're rasing taxes again but yet they have the best excuses for ETs on earth? I don't believe they're covering up anything as far as aliens are concerned.

That's a world topic.

That would imply a world order or a world gathering that all countries/goverments agreed silently to not go public with their findings.

Ok, fine, the public is pushing and demands documents for disclosure.
So some countries recently followed this and they made their observations public. Guess what? Right. Nothing. Not a single hint that there was anything there. Sure, a bunch of neat stories but not evidence. Evidence that can be touched and reached by anyone. Evidence that's not coming from a persons mouth but lying on a desk in a museum everyone has access to. Nothing.

[edit on 30-11-2007 by strange1]

Originally posted by ExquisitExamplE
all pieces bind together
if you look you will see
they came in a great cloud once
turn the circle

Is that a riddle? Can you elaborate?

Originally posted by JimmyCarterIsSmarter
Strange1, you're new here, so you most likely haven't seen all the doozies that have been posted here over the years, I'll show you some:

Thank you for these links! Quite an interesting read.
I've seen the DisclosureProject before but the rest is new to me.