So here's my opinion on Aliens

Good movie, ha.
No seriously, first of all something about myself:

I'm 27 (well almost...), live in Germany, have had a more or less healthy, nice, warm life so far

I love to read all kinds of things and some years ago my interest for UFOs/Aliens/Space etc. started to grow so I made a hobby out of it.

I've read a lot of books on the topic, as well as seen movies/shows, websites and so on as most of us will have done the same.

I'm being entertained by the stories of the thousand so called witnesses, testimonies that have crossed my unending path of finding the truth, like we all do. That's that, I've been entertained, sometimes like being in a good or in a very bad movie.

So, that was the intro.

With a sane skepticism, a logical but yet open mind I've gone through so much material and still there's no end but after all I'm coming to the conclusion: It's all just entertainment or to be clearer: BOGUS.

Don't get me wrong here. Of course that's just my personal opinion but hey, just be a lil bit honest to yourself: How come with all the "evidence", all the sightings, all the information the media gave over the years none of those hints is really reachable by the average person?

I mean, sure, you can go to your "Next-to-your-door"-Cropcicle but other than being amazed by what it seems to be you get nothing out of it.

And this disclosure thing. Oh come on. Sure, there's this disinformation campaign the goverments seem to have, yeah, right, according to war and military stategies that is surely the truth... but aliens?

This neverending "hype" seems to infect the US more than others, maybe they get a higher profit out of this mystery. With they I mean the media.
Because that's what it is. Some nice scifi-stories which waken the children in everyone of us. To explore the unknown. To get to see something new, something from a totally different world and after all the media is capitalistic.
They make money with it.

Now the US is too far away from me but I know how it is in Germany.
We have a lot of sightings here too but the people tend to treat these like more "normal-than-outer-world" cases.

My point is: I do believe in extraterrestials but they have never been here.
Why? Because they never knocked on my or anyone else's door. You think we wouldn't notice? Please ask yourself again. You still don't?
You don't believe in Bigfoot, Nessie, Sasquatsch, Chupacabra blabla, right?
But still... there's some story popping up from time to time in the media.
All bogus? Sure! But wouldn't it be a blast if the serious media reported about the real deal? And I mean all of it. Not just in the US, all over the world because they know it's real deal and it's a hot story.

Now, please don't tell me the government could surpress or control the world. That maybe true for parts of the US or for the military. But come on... the whole world? Each f***** country? You must be kidding me.

I'm not really frustrated. I'm just being realistic. Actually I'm an optimist in person. Sometimes I regret that. I really do enjoy life with all it's ups and downs and I'm very enthusiastic about this topic. I have my very own opinion which is solid and can't be shaken unless I read tomorrow that an alien has won the lottery and has trouble verifying his identity

Get it? Nice :-)
Sorry for the rather chaotic post but if you want more ensight on why I think this and that, let me know. I'll try to back it up with as much info as I possibly can.

Bernhard

halleluhja [SIC]
100% agree with u, those little aliens never visited earth.

i think for aliens to visit earth there has to be this situation.
-we have to be complete technological retards.
- their civilization has too be way older than ours, and if u look it up, most stars are almost same age.
- we must of have something special for them to come here, and as far as i know, we are a piece of crap planet.
- and they have to be very close to earth, even tough if they have the power of the speed of light, 150 years is too long for a worthless trip to earth.
- if they managed to work witht he wormholes, we dont really know if they exist, or what can really happend to a living thing inside it.
------ and the most important

THE ALIEN PARANOIA STARTED WHEN HOLLYWOOD SCI-FI MOVIES BECAME FAMOUS. MAYBE WHEN SCI-FI BOOKS CAME OUT.

i believe aliens exist, but they don't visit earth.
the only thing the government is hiding are secret military weapons, nothing out of this world





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Hey Drzava,

first of all, thank your for your reply
We mainly share the same opinion but I'd have to disagree on some points:

most stars are almost same age

erm, what do you mean by almost?
By stars I assume you mean some like exoplanets?
Earth is very young, actually very very young when compared to the vage known age of the universe. Even if there are exoplanets where live evolved and would be only some ten-thousand years older than ours (which isn't much of a timespan).. imagine our live 2000 years ago and now try to imagine how it'll be 2000 years ahead...

I'm sure the universe is full of live. On all places, just not near enough to us.
They haven't seen us (yet). Imagine lil rich alien who has his own spaceship, wouldn't it try to step by Earth and say hello to let's say... some music or to step by and see a good movie? Movies and music are timeless. They always existed in some kind of form and they always will be.


I think that's two treasures you'll find on this earth. Now wouldn't these be interesting for any alien even if so advanced?

Oh and last but least. Meaning 150lightyears for us could be 15 minutes of alientime, depending on the speed they manage to travel, right?

THE MAIN idea is the same man, but the little details are not.

but have in mind that our knowledge of aliens comes from the movies and sci-fi books, we dont really know how they look like, how they evolved,what planet are they from, and many many many other stuff.

i also made a mistake in comparing stars are the same age, i meant sequence stars like our sun, but that also is a mistake because there are some extra-solar planets that orbit around dwarf stars , i admit, the stars thing was a big mistake.

, assuming they can travel at the speed of light, and assuming they have a similar life spawn, and asuming they travel from a distance of 40 light years away, the only reason they will come here is for space exploration, not to controll the world or destroy it like some freaks say

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Hi,I am a bit like yourself however I have came to a different conclusion.Don't get me wrong I completely understand what your saying e.g.I am sure stanton freidman is sitting on a pretty penny.IMHO I agree that no average dude will ever be able to prove e.t. but I believe that there are people in the know and someday conclusive proof will be leaked or disclosed.you said that governments of the world could not withold that type of info,I disagree,I believe that this subject is probably the most highly classified subject in our world today and whoever is in charge of it will do whatever it takes to keep it that way.We are all entitled to our opinions and I can honestly understand your reasons for disbelieving.As for myself I have never seen a ufo or alien or anything of that nature and I would like to keep it that way!but I am a believer

Drzava: Yupp.

Space exploration would be the main reason but I also believe there's bad/evil aliens our there.

Good/Bad is in everything that lives. So in aliens. Hopefully positively balanced. No matter how much we evolve, we have good and bad within us. Always had and always will. Advanced races may be more logical and more reasonable but won't always be good angels which mean no harm to us/you.

I think to include the possibility that they may come down here and start an invasion is perfectly valid and justifiable. But as it is with everything else it shouldn't be overstated.

I'm pretty sure there's also some Osama and Bushalien out there trying to be mean But on the other hand I think we are somewhat prepared to such a situation.

But the more logical evolution would be that they managed to jump within space, so should they be more teamworkers to be friendly to us...

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J. Allen Hynek, Edgar Mitchell, Philip Corso, John Lear, John Mack, Dr. Roger Leir, and numerous other doctors, scientists, pilots, military personnel, and ex-military personnel would disagree with you...



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they are just little babies who lost their jobs and want to screw the government.
-no aliens in here, only secret military weapons-- thats what she said---

and thats what i think

Originally posted by Raoul Duke
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J. Allen Hynek, Edgar Mitchell, Philip Corso, John Lear, John Mack, Dr. Roger Leir, and numerous of doctors, scientists, pilots, military personnel, and ex-military personnel would disagree with you...

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Fine, as well as there is a big fat church with millions of believers in Jesus Christ, God who would disagree with me that there is NO supernatural divine powers on earth... That doesn't mean they tell the truth.
Scientists? You mean like that nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman?
Ha, I've once med a doctor who seriously believed he met the devil in person and he really wasn't being ironic or joking. And he is a doctor!! Now I find that more scary...

Oh, Scientology has a lot of members who are scientists, doctors and prolly military personnel too. Bunch of brainwashers.

"They" can believe what they want but not one single person can proof anything.

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holy science, again, 100% agree with u.

including the supernatural power thing!

--amazing example--

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I disagree with you about us never being "visited" just because their is too much credible eye witness testimony from extremely credible sources. So lets just change that "visited" to "observed"

Our super secret military weapons are not capable of utilizing "anti gravity" for propulsion purposes. Anti gravity as far as aircraft, is not even a reality with our current technology. If it is, please give me one shred of evidence that the military has it? or even utilized it in any form here on earth, only in space. Look at the last Mars probe by Lockheed or the space shuttle they both still utilize massive amounts of liquid propulsion and costs billions......? Same with the latest 5th generation stealth F-22 Raptor it still utilizes hypersonic engines that use obscene amounts of fuel.

I agree with you about aliens not landing here and shaking hands with everyone. I feel its bogus too. I think the case for alien interaction is very weak as well as them landing here for fun and smiles. At least there's plenty of eye witness testimony, pictures, video, radar confirmation and even soil radiation samples for UFO's but not one single picture of an alien? come on.

I think its more of a case of "observation" than "interaction" They watch but do not interact.

Lets face it if there are races that are thousands of not hundreds of thousands years ahead of us, they would be in charge of just what exactly we see and what we dont see through our little camera's and video cameras.

In theory I am sure they know exactly how much they want us to see.

Originally posted by Drzava
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they are just little babies who lost their jobs and want to screw the government.
-no aliens in here, only secret military weapons-- thats what she said---

and thats what i think

Edgar Mitchell an astronaut who went to the moon? J. Allen Hynek former UFO debunker for the Air Force, who became a ufoologist? Philip Corso who didn't come out with his story until he was at a ripe old age? Sorry, that you'd chalk this up to a bunch disgruntled employees is ridiculous on its face...

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i feel bad for u, who believe those crazy cry babies,.
they just talk and talk and talk, but never give super concrete proof, they just want money, fame, and screw the goverment.

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very well put, I'm all with you

I have no firm beliefs on this, the way it's presented here. What I do believe is that the UFO/Alien abduction phenomena is something.

The numbers of respectable "upstanding" members of society (combined with the not-so-respectable ones) claiming to have encounters of the 1st 2nd & 3rd kind suggest that there is some kind of anomalous activity going on. If it was all just an illusion, or people hoaxing, then it seems to me that there would be equal numbers of people (and tv shows, movies and books) claiming that other, equally hard to believe things are happening.

In the dark ages, people claimed to be visited by goblins in the middle of the night and taken to a castle in the sky. SOMETHING has made people say this stuff for hundreds of years, probably longer. Why this? It's easy to explain away as some kind of group delusion, based on instinctual human fears, but then why don't other human fears produce similar illusions? Is alien abduction man's biggest fear? Why would that be if no one has ever seen an alien?

Here's an example. The church has taught that people who sin are tormented forever by Satan's minions in a fiery hell. Why don't all kinds of people say they've been there? Even ones who have near death experiences rarely claim they've visited Beelzebub. Did the collective human consciousness just decide to choose aliens as the one thing to take from the comics and movies to believe in?

I know I sound like a "believer", and ok, I lean that way, but all I'll admit to you (or myself) is that, hmm, this stuff sure is weird. And in the meantime, I'll do research and talk with anyone who wants to about the subject - believer or debunker - as long as they have an open mind.

Originally posted by Drzava
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i feel bad for u, who believe those crazy cry babies,.
they just talk and talk and talk, but never give super concrete proof, they just want money, fame, and screw the goverment.

You must be a troll or some kind of agitator who's here just to mess with people. You don't think rationally. Yeah if I wanted to make money, I'd go into ufoloogy. Lol. Your answers have both been knee slappers so far, care to type another one?

Originally posted by Drzava
halleluhja [SIC]
- we must of have something special for them to come here, and as far as i know, we are a piece of crap planet.

Interestingly, that would actually be my #1 reason for other species to want to get their asses here.

If we Look at all the other planets we have good pictures of, lets take Mars as an example: Cool place! -60 degrees Cool that is. And there's nothing to see, nothing to do..nothing to drink or fondle..

Now, if you landed on say..Hawaii, the temperature is -just- right, the view is beautiful, the food is great...Come on there is life on other planets, but do they have a Hawaii-like atmosphere?

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beleive what u want man, this is way off topic, and i dont wanna ruin this beautiful thread,

yeah I tend not to believe in them either. It seems to me with all the leaks within the United States and the World, that some kind of actual EVIDENCE would stem from this. I am new to this site, and I recently posted a question on what I thought I saw. Needless to say I'm reluctant in actually believing it. Not because it was vivid, just because I did not actually get a good look at whatever I thought I saw. An Alien? I doubt it. Since I've proved every other supposed supernatural experience in my life to be false I am not convinced of little green, grey, whatever men. Also the case where I thought I seen something was during my young age anyways.

But really where does it end people? It just boils down to a Nihilistic world view that we possess no fundamentals as a human life. I am a Dualist, and I hope to pursue Psychoanylitic Psychotherapy when I am older. So I like studying the mind. I have to admitt I am very superstitious, but now I've come to the rational idea that I have a supernatual spiritual realm (or soul) but that I am human as well. So I believe there is the unexplained, and I will not rule out intelligent life on other planets. However if your willing to believe aliens can abduct you, then maybe there really hot wiring our brains, and performing abnormal and sick tricks with us every day. I mean of course not, lets be reasonable. The human mind can not be hot-wired. But to think as if these "beings" have the capability to fool us all I guess we all have to be pretty screwed. Oh well the more and more I hear people like you the more I realize God has to exsist. I still trust the good in humanity to overcome. I also know that all this confusion created by this only stems into confusion of self, and denial. Therefore a person carried away with something like this tends to be truly not healthy, and most likely a problem to themselves and others.

So if you want to explore the unknown, be my guest. I have questions as well I would loved to be answered. However until then I cannot simply buy 10% of the BS I hear on this. This stuff is also a huge revenue maker, and as we all know revenue controls. I mean Sci-Fi drives us all I think at one point or another. But Handle this reasonably. 99% of this stuff can be explailned or proven faulty. Lets be RATIONAL beings shall we...

Edgar Mitchell an astronaut who went to the moon? J. Allen Hynek former UFO debunker for the Air Force, who became a ufoologist? Philip Corso who didn't come out with his story until he was at a ripe old age? Sorry, that you'd chalk this up to a bunch disgruntled employees is ridiculous on its face...

And they all have a right to speak. And they should be able to do so.
I'm fine with that. All I'm saying is that they cannot prove what they are saying. Which makes it a good story. But nothing more. Entertainment.
If it's not for money of for the fame they want to tell a good story. A story we can look up to. Somthing to expect in the future, give hope whatever...
All stories are really, really abstract. Which I don't like. Madeup stories aren't very detailed, well, most of the times... unless you have enough time to think about it and challenge your imagination.

To give another completely different example.
A lot of crop circles are a mystery. A lot of people think they are not manmade, I'm not assuming they have to be alien but not manmade.
So? There were some people who did tests. And made some crop-circles their own. And they showed them to all those "highly trained" scientists and ufologists. Guess what? On some they believed they were alien and not manmade although they were! Now what? Everything for the birds?

I mean you can believe a lot but that doesn't make it the truth no matter how hard you want it to be.