Thanks to Springer...

Please don't think that I met by asking him how much as an insult. I was only wondering...thats it...



Best Regards,
Bill

Originally posted by Valhall
Modship comes from being selected by the staff and current mods.)

Exactly the point some members are trying to make here. Selected, not given as a business deal.

Have I missed something but has anyone noticed that Springer has no longer got the mod tag under his name , but an underlined member tag.
perhaps this will end this whole discussion about the giving of mod status and this thread can get back to the purpose for which it was started , which was as a way for those who want to , to thank Springer for his part in keeping this site functioning smoothly.

That isn't fair then. Not to harrass the Administration in anyway, I'm just saying that I don't see why most of the members complained when he gave us such a great gift! Springer, you did a great job! ...he gets my way above award!

Bill

Thanks Springer for your efforts and carry on as always, being Springer as I know you will.

[Edited on 2/16/2004 by Venus]

Well I was always brought up to believe that one does not give to receive.
If he asked for the mod status to get into cosmic in return for his financial help, then it's a business deal. If it's a business deal, then he has bought the status. Tart it up anyway you want but that's the way it is, sorry.

If he had just given the money as a gift to save the site he loves with nothing asked in return, then I'd start kissing his ass, but not until then.


[Edited on 9-2-2004 by John Nada]

[Edited on 2/16/2004 by Venus]

Originally posted by Venus

Originally posted by John Nada
If he had just given the money as a gift to save the site he loves with nothing asked in return, then I'd start kissing his ass, but not until then.


INVESTMENT:
the act of investing; laying out money or capital in an
enterprise with the expectation of profit
DONATION:
act of giving in common with others for a common purpose especially to a charity a voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) made to some worthwhile cause

Now we ALL know there is no profit gained on this investment so let's look at it as a DONATION

No profit eh? I can use an online dictionary as well:

PROFIT

" 1. An advantageous gain or return; benefit."

Profit does not necessarily mean money you know.

An example of profit is to "gain" or "benefit" from a deal.
We know that Springer "gained/benefited" by gaining mod status and access to Cosmic in return for his money.

So thanks to your to seperate defintions above you'll see that it actually falls under "INVESTMENT", not "DONATION".

Originally posted by John Nada
An example of profit is to "gain" or "benefit" from a deal.
We know that Springer "gained/benefited" by gaining mod status and access to Cosmic in return for his money.

All springer has now that he doesn't have before is access to Cosmic, where security matters are discussed if/when they come about. None of these fabled 'mod powers'. Except maybe the ability to kick people from the chat room. Woo!

Nice one Springer get your butt back from that holiday!

Originally posted by Kano

Originally posted by John Nada
An example of profit is to "gain" or "benefit" from a deal.
We know that Springer "gained/benefited" by gaining mod status and access to Cosmic in return for his money.

All springer has now that he doesn't have before is access to Cosmic, where security matters are discussed if/when they come about. None of these fabled 'mod powers'. Except maybe the ability to kick people from the chat room. Woo!

Where do you seeing me disagreeing with you?
He was given access to Cosmic through giving him mod status (which was removed, good thinking), I know he didn't have mod abilities. That's just not my point

If people can buy their way into Cosmic on ATS then so be it. If that's how things work around here I have no problem with that at all and it's none of my business.

However my problem is comments like these:

"Very many thanx Springer for your generous donation"

"Props to Springer for his generous donation to ATS,well done!"

"That was very generous of you, Springer. Thank you"

"ENOUGH..............
Show some gratitude. "

"I apreaciate the donation from springer"

"THANK YOU VERY MUCH Springer"

"Springer, Thank you for helping out when it was needed."

"he gave us such a great gift"

Now if Springer had just handed the money over just to save his beloved site, and asked for nothing in return, I would then the first one to extend my hand and thank him very much.
However this is not the case...

At the beginning of the thread William implied that in return for Springer's "generous donation" Admin promoted him.

However if you look at Springer's earlier reply you will see that he said he asked for access to Cosmic in return for his money. This is not charity, this is not a donation, it is a business arrangement in which for his cash he could gain access to what others can't. Full stop...that is it...tart it up anyway you like but he bought access end of story.

If that's what Admin want to do then fine, it doesn't concern me, but people should not be thanking him for his "generous donation" e.t.c. There is nothing to thank him for, he benefited from his money so this was in no shape or form a donation or charity.

Oh...and Kano, it may seem like a very small deal that in return for his money he got access to Cosmic, but you are not looking at the bigger picture. I do not care that he gained access to Cosmic, give everyone access except for me I dont care, that is not my problem.

My problem is that Admin needed money, and when someone offered money in return for something people find very hard to get access to, you snatched the money out of his hand.
You should have made it clear that any money offered would be appreciated greatly, but he could not gain access to Cosmic through that route. You should have said that although you understand why he would want access to Cosmic to check on his investment, it still couldn't be done that way.

However when money was shown rules went straight out the window, and that to me shows a lack of integrity.

Not that it bothers me either way, but just don't call this what it isn't. We're not politicians here...

Originally posted by John Nada and that to me shows a lack of integrity.

Okay... now you're hitting where it's felt. I was pretty much leaving this alone until I saw this. So... to publicly disclose exactly what happened and how demonstrates a lack of integrity? To offer an "inside" position to the person providing the third-highest amount of funding for ATS shows a lack of integrity? (Would taking the money and running have a better level of integrity for you?) At our current level of operation, ATS is becoming an expensive operation. Due to recent problems with security (now not as severe as originally thought), it has become even more expensive. Until recently, only two people have been providing 99% of the funding for ATS over the past 5 years... Simon, and recently, myself. Sure there have been PayPal donations from members, but the total of all donations has not yet added up to one month of hosting costs. Can you explain why it would demonstrate a better level of integrity to accept a significant offer of financial assistance, and not provide anything in return?

[Edited on 2/16/2004 by Venus]

Why are people debating/complaining or whatever? as long as ATS/BTS is getting better each day who cares.

[Edited on 10-2-2004 by drunk]

Originally posted by drunk
Why are people debating/complaining or whatever? as long as ATS/BTS is getting better each day who cares.

Exactly!

I'm starting to find this thread embarrassing.

I really don't see what the problem is.ATS is still the same except someone who has invested their hard earned money gets to see that we aren't frittering away his donation and are continuing to maintain high standards on the board.

I wouldn't expect anyone to pour money into a black hole,especially on the internet.

Can we please drop this now?...............................please.

[Edited on 2/16/2004 by Venus]

damned if you do damned if you don't Everyone was pleased when ATS came back. A few are displeased as to how it came back quickly. Full disclosure = lack of integrity amazing it's a thankless task at times

What if some of us decide to contribute funds equal to or above Springer's contribution?

What do we get in return?

Originally posted by drunk
Why are people debating/complaining or whatever? as long as ATS/BTS is getting better each day who cares

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and have a beer

I like this reply so much I'm going to Applaud you...but ooo, look out, you might get accused to 'buying' an applaud with your reply...