Iran hands over copy's of blueprints for nuke warheads

The argument that certain countries have nuclear weapons so others should be allowed is ridiculous.

reply to post by patrickbateman


Wow ! what a constructive post...Care to elaborate on same ? Personally, myself, along with many others feel the everyone or no one argument is perfectly valid...

After all, who is the only nation to actually use nuclear weapons against a civilian population ???

How brave *golf claps* What a tough nation it is that does that...Not to mention humane and a perfect example of what the rest of the world should aim for as far as democracies are concerned....

Riiiighhhht.....

Why would Iran divulge that they are making weapons? No one knows what they are doing and I dont trust them either, but I dont trust our goverment either. Some one said all the news agencies are coming out with this story... of course they are! Free press my ***. The government is making up stories about them for a reason to go to war. WW3 is near... and we are the reason for it.

Originally posted by patrickbateman
The IAEA have been demanding this document for 2 years now. I wonder why the Iranians held onto it?! More to the point why did they have it in the first place.

Why shouldn't they have it?
Loads of countries have the know-how to make nuclear power/weapons, probably in similar documents to these.

Iran is quite an advanced country you know, i'd have been surprised if they didn't have this knowledge.

Originally posted by Sky watcher


So they admit to having them just for a rainy day I guess. They just proved that they have been holding back info and that they can build a bomb as soon as they get the enriched uranium.

So, what? It's not the U.N.'s problem anymore. Who's worried about Iran getting a bomb? I'd say most likely Israel. They need to sort out their differences.

If Iran chose to use a nuclear weapon, I'd say they'd probably be nuked back.

The fact is that every nation that has ever developed a nuclear weapon recieves some sort of incentives from the United States after it's complete. We give Pakistan, India and other countries BILLIONS every year since they developed nuclear weapons. It's a kinda "Welcome to the Club" bonus. Why wouldn't Iran seek that kind of inclusion?

Iran has oil. Iran must be villified to justify attack.

Any you're helping the effort.

reply to post by Sky watcher


Sadam screwing around that pissed everone off eh ? well that's a profound statement, so when a sovereign state does not bow to the brutal sanctions placed on them resulting in the deaths of countless thousands of Iraqi children, the big ole US of A have the right to bomb the country back to the stone age. That's lovely. Well done America !!

I don't think there is any other country on this planet that shows more disregard for human rights than the USA, and I'm including the severely corrupt rulers of some african countries. Where do the bulk of all armaments come from, the sky?

America is becoming more twisted with greed as each day goes by, your president and vice president should be in jail years ago for genocide, and that is no conspiracy theory, that's fact. The heads of your state are utterly corrupt, so when Mr Bush complains about Iran having Nuclear weapons, there's the pot calling the kettle black.

Nuclear weapons are lethal to us all period. NOBODY should have them ever. It's kinda funny in a sick way that only friends of the US are allowed to have nuclear warheads. Remember Iraq used to be a friend of the US, remember the US gave Iraq all the weapons they wanted, another facto.

If sometime in the future there is some terrible nuclear conflagration, I'll hold the USA primarily responsible, though I'l have probably have melted into the ground by then.

reply to post by willywagga


Amen Willy

Bout time someone said it...

After Israel, the US is easily the largest exponents of state sponsored terrorism they so easily accuse other nations of engaging in....

Disgraceful IMO...

Originally posted by Sky watcher

Originally posted by johnsky

Well, I will not be the first American to say this but if you don't like America then you can kiss my ***

The rest of the world views it quite the same way, we'll see who land up in top, the world, or the US.

When anyone gets in trouble who do they call? The United States of America. Why? Because we can and will get it done. Got it ???

Yeah the US is greeeat for getting things done teehee, that's the funniest thing I've read for months LOL. Yeah you're really sorting that nasty ole Iraq out yeah !!!

We'll see who'll come out on top !!!!

That's the second funniest, and scariest, thing I've heard in months. If this happens there wont be a top or a bottom. What age are you anyway ? Shouldn't you be in school !!?!!

This makes no sence...Why would they hand over somthing that would give the US reason to turn round and say to the world "see told you so" and blow them back to the 1800's?

I smell a rat.

reply to post by Rilence


Well now your are attempting to validate present situations with that of history. Perhaps let me make my point a little clearer, i believe nuclear arms shouldnt be in the hands of any nation. But to suggest that arms in the hands of democratic stable nations are comparable to that of totalitarian, religious theocratic states is beyond a joke. Are you familiar with Iranian politics at all? There are several factions under control there with loyalties to different clergy and sects, which varie in fanatacism. Many of whom vie for the destruction of Israel and the "great satan". If these got in the wrong hands you'd be singing from a very dif hym sheet.



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reply to post by princeofpeace


what else are they hiding----according to debka.com a year ago-----up to 50 thousand centrifuges were being readied for operation in underground installtions that are off limits to un inspectors and 2 laptops obtained by american spies out of iran contain the info of building the usa's latest mini nuke designs----instructions all in chinese.we probably can thank the clintons for that one besides china obtaining the technology to make their missiles dead on accurate if used against us.

i heard on NPR yesterday that right after 911 richard armitage and musharraf came up with the kahn scapegoat story to cover their asses and to get popular support for a us/pakistan alliance for the war on terror. apparently kahn was just a scientist who was doing what the military told him to do. they created fake documents and did a fake house arrest thing to satisfy the public. is this where these documents came from? if so...rofl!

Originally posted by Rilence
After all, who is the only nation to actually use nuclear weapons against a civilian population ???

How brave *golf claps* What a tough nation it is that does that...Not to mention humane and a perfect example of what the rest of the world should aim for as far as democracies are concerned....

Riiiighhhht.....

What an ignorant reply. If you understood anything about world politics, war, and reality, you would understand WHY we used the bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki. Don't delude yourself - in WWII the "Axis of Evil" REALLY WAS EVIL. They threatened the free world and if they hadn't been eliminated, who knows what kind of world we would be currently living in.

I'm not saying that Iran / Iraq / Syria / etc is the new "Axis of Evil"...so don't think that. But don't sit there and condemn the united states for using technology WE developed, that no one had except us, and only used once - to save the free world.

Oh and remember this - the US was dragged into WWII by the Japanese. The US population didn't even want to get involved until the mercilous (sp) bombing of pearl harbor.

Thanks and have a nice day.

Originally posted by patrickbateman
reply to post by mad scientist

 

Absolutely, the Iranian people are miles apart from the harline rulers. Have you seen how they rule with an iron hand? Iran has one of the largest suicide rates in the world and THE highest drug users, particularly with the youth who are so oppressed and controlled that they turn to drug addiction. Imagine living in a country where you are told what to watch, what to wear, who to socialise with, what to believe in...

The highest rate of drug abusers WHAAAT ????, what utter s***e highest suicide rate ??more s***e so us your links to this important info.

Here's some info

www.who.int...

Iran 0.3 per 100,000.......USA 17.9 per 100,000

Check the link.

There's much more to read ie the US has more hard drug users per 100,000 than any other country this includes crack and coc aine and smack. The US also has more people in prison for smoking cannabis than any other country on the planet, waaay more.

Yeah the US is great, liberal and all.
Take a look at who owns the media,!!!!!!!! jesus you were joking right !!?!!

Man America is THE country that rules with an Iron Fist look at Gitmo, and who can we complain to emmmm let's seee....

...nobody......

see....

When the powerful country starts behaving like an ass***e.... the weaker countries have nowhere to turn, except to turn away and avert their eyes and pretend they dont see the brutality. Your country is BRUTAL, and corrupt, and is bringing humanity to the brink of apocalyptic abyss....for real.


"imagine living in a country where you are told what to watch and what to wear"

LOOOL

Take a look around buddy, look at your TV, look at your billboards, look at what you're wearing !!! notice any kind of subtle influence there. It's called western consumerism, and we all have it pretty bad. I don't think there's a cure just yet but I hear Pfizer might have something that'll help us all in a few short years.









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[edit on 14-11-2007 by willywagga]

Originally posted by patrickbateman
reply to post by Rilence

 

Are you familiar with Iranian politics at all? There are several factions under control there with loyalties to different clergy and sects, which varie in fanatacism. Many of whom vie for the destruction of Israel and the "great satan". If these got in the wrong hands you'd be singing from a very dif hym sheet.

Are you implying that once a country like this gets nuclear weapons, they may start a war on the other side of the world and kill a million or so civilians through it?

How much longer can the USA point the finger at other countries, accusing them of things they have not done, while at the same time ignoring the consequences of their own actions? Where is the President speaking on behalf of the million or so dead Iraqi's? How would it feel to see a report of that on the news, after the pain felt in 9/11? 1 million?

Do you think the families of the millions of dead Iraqi's really see America as a "democratic stable nation" after what the USA did to their country? I would think they see you now as international terrorists.

A "pre emptive war" is politcally correct talk for starting a modern war, while at the same time writing the history books in your favour from the start, completely ignorant of any evidence.

Originally posted by patrickbateman
reply to post by Rilence

 

Well now your are attempting to validate present situations with that of history. Perhaps let me make my point a little clearer, i believe nuclear arms shouldnt be in the hands of any nation. But to suggest that arms in the hands of democratic stable nations are comparable to that of totalitarian, religious theocratic states is beyond a joke. Are you familiar with Iranian politics at all? There are several factions under control there with loyalties to different clergy and sects, which varie in fanatacism. Many of whom vie for the destruction of Israel and the "great satan". If these got in the wrong hands you'd be singing from a very dif hym sheet.

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Are you familiar with American politics at all, look at your whacko leader, he's what is known as fundamentalist christian in my country. And he's on his 'little' fundamentalist christian crusade, he'd be up there with Hitler and Stalin if he had the oratorial skills



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Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar
So your hypothesis is that these guys are so stupid that they actually thought this would HELP their cause?

Actually, it does help their cause. Right now, the UN Security Council is split between the Western nations on one side, and Russia and China on the other. With the release of these documents, Russia and China will point to it as proof that Iran is cooperating and use it to continue blocking sanctions.

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Originally posted by downtown436
You can find out how exactly to build a nuke on the wikipedia. This is pure and simple warmongering.

Really now?

The closest thing that comes to your claim is this link, but it far from shows one "exactly" how to build a nuclear weapon. If you know where nuclear weapons plans are on wikipedia, I am sure we would all like to see them.

Originally posted by patrickbateman
Absolutely, the Iranian people are miles apart from the harline rulers. Have you seen how they rule with an iron hand? Iran has one of the largest suicide rates in the world and THE highest drug users, particularly with the youth who are so oppressed and controlled that they turn to drug addiction. Imagine living in a country where you are told what to watch, what to wear, who to socialise with, what to believe in...

I guess they will just have to vote them out in 2009. Oh you haven't hear? Iran isn't a dictatorship. Their president is attempting to get re-elected, but it isn't looking good. We may not see him for much longer. As for iron hand, you are talking about the "youth" that didn't have to live with the dictatorship we put in power. Remember that? The U.S. overthrew their democratically elected government, putting in a pro-U.S. dictatorship in 1953. They overthrew it in 1979. They are a democracy now. They can vote who they want in office.

As far as the oppression, have you ever been there? So how in the world would you know how bad the oppression is? You don't have any better an idea than any other person who has their own opinion. Your most credible source is the media, which will twist a story to get the biggest emotional response they can. But if you have been there personally, I would like to know when, where, and the details of such.

And saying the Iranian rulers are not intelligent is about as far off base as it gets. Their president knows EXACTLY what he is doing to try and get re-elected. If you buy into everything he says as truth, when he is a politician, you obviously learned nothing from our own politicians.

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Originally posted by Harlequin
you do not `need` `pits for making a kiltoton class weapon - ask South Africa , they had 5 devices - all gun type and non with shaped or molde uranium pits.

Actually even gun type weapons need to have precisely machined fissile pieces to work. Gun weapons also rquire far more fissile amterial to achieve critical mass. Being able to fabricate implosion pits is far more conomical and would make weapons more efficient and allow thm to buils more.
Are you saying that there is no precise machining and moulding needed to make a gun type weapon ? If so you are completely wrong.

they are used for implosion devices - and other than teh chinese who uses uranium in there fusion weapons , everyone else uses plutonium.

If you don't have plutonium them uranium is what yo would use.