Conclusion: The Aliens Are Not Our Friends

Originally posted by jats1

Real simple. We were children, less evolved, ignorant, and therefore somewhat innocent. Sure, we need to develop on our own, but if we were manipulated, that would be a crime. It seems perfectly natural that advanced civilizations would guide the less developed ones like any universal family or culture would do. But, I see no helping hand at all. And I don't consider the worshiping of gods very much help. They could have taught us how to use our heads.

When I look at our entire history, it does not appear we were touched by God... or supremely intelligent and benevolent Aliens for that matter.

jats

What if there were a "federation of planets" who have a code not to interfere until the other planet has evolved enough to join. Although if some other species from another planet commits crimes against less evolved species then someone should step in to help.
But who knows really?

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I believe in aliens. But, I don't see any evidence of a benevolent kind interacting with us today or in the past. And I don't see us as all that bad. If you look at the best of us, we have geniuses who can decipher some of the puzzles of the universe and we also have some very kind-hearted people. So, I don't think it's asking too much for them to give a very small helping hand.

Also, if they were always around from the get go and there was no sneeking around, then we would be used to them and there would be no reason for such a concern about being shocked at their discovery. Just because we know about them doesn't mean they have to give us any technology to harm ourselves. And there also wouldn't have been a need to worship gods and fear the darkness.

But, we were left in our darkness... abondoned, like the Lord of the Flies. There has got to be a better developmental plan in the universe other than being ignored. And we have been TOTALLY ignored. Well, they are here, but it's like we don't exist. How rude!

Again, I don't think a bit of communication now and then would hurt.

What is missing is some sign of compassion. Maybe the aliens are just machines. Maybe they are just dumb space ameobas (sp).

Originally posted by jats1
I believe in aliens. But, I don't see any evidence of a benevolent kind interacting with us today or in the past. And I don't see us as all that bad. If you look at the best of us, we have geniuses who can decipher some of the puzzles of the universe and we also have some very kind-hearted people. So, I don't think it's asking too much for them to give a very small helping hand.

This is just one opinion, there may be thousands if not millions of intelligent civilizations in the universe, all thinking and doing very different things. If there is a Galactic Federation, the extraterrestrials may actually be doing very similar things; but even if this is the case we can't assume their motivations or what they are thinking.

Also, if they were always around from the get go and there was no sneeking around, then we would be used to them and there would be no reason for such a concern about being shocked at their discovery. Just because we know about them doesn't mean they have to give us any technology to harm ourselves. And there also wouldn't have been a need to worship gods and fear the darkness.

If in fact reincarnation is real, wouldn't God or whoever's in charge want different environments to send souls? If they interact with us they would most likely radically change this planet and life on it. The most intelligent/advance ETs might know what planets are off limits, and where they can go and interact with the inhabitants.

But, we were left in our darkness... abondoned, like the Lord of the Flies. There has got to be a better developmental plan in the universe other than being ignored. And we have been TOTALLY ignored. Well, they are here, but it's like we don't exist. How rude!

This can be easily explained, they gave us our start (like in Zecharia Sitchin's books), but we have to get to the apex ourselves.

Again, I don't think a bit of communication now and then would hurt.
What is missing is some sign of compassion. Maybe the aliens are just machines. Maybe they are just dumb space ameobas (sp).

This is a charge that has been made against the Greys by many (that they are emotionless). Some think they are even worker robots and not lifeforms at all. Now you're thinking correctly we can't make any assumptions.

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I’m going to have to say some aliens are good and some are bad, just like some people are good and some are bad.

Good intentions, bad intentions.

There are tribes in the Amazon that have tribal wars with each other, by law we cannot interfere, some of us would like to intervene and get them to our modern point of life, others would rather us let them figure it out by themselves.

To me, it's the same thing, we are like the aliens, only we're studying the primitive tribes, do you see the connection.....


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Originally posted by andre18
I’m going to have to say some aliens are good and some are bad, just like some people are good and some are bad.

Good intentions, bad intentions.

There are tribes in the Amazon that have tribal wars with each other, by law we cannot interfere, some of us would like to intervene and get them to our modern point of life, others would rather us let them figure it out by themselves.

To me, it's the same thing, we are like the aliens, only we're studying the primitive tribes, do you see the connection.....


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Yeah, but we don't actually go out of our way to hide from them. We have the formerly cannibalistic natives of Papua New Guinea working and negotiating oil buisenesses together with oil companies for chissake.

Originally posted by mentalempire
I will totally disagree because I feel that religion is beneficial. If you don't believe me, you should take a look at the alternative, such as the brutal regimes of Stalin, Lenin, and Mao Zedong.

Not all atheists are bad, but I sure wouldn't want to live in a world of atheism.

Now forget the 'modern' ideologies, and go back to ancient times, where the formation of societies are and how 'religion' helped create them. Gods of one form or another were prevalent.

It's not so far fetched, what the OP says.

Since it's inception, religion has been used AGAINST the commoner. Against the unbeliever. A god that creates hell and tells other how to reach heaven, in the midst of chaos, is not a god.

If you believe in Christianity, it's predecessor or offshoots, that is exactly what happened.

God made us without sin, but by our god created nature, we sinned. All of us are sinners who need to redeem ourselves.

No parent says "You are a bad child, until you prove to me you are worthy of my love, I will leave you in pain and suffering." so why does this god?

No.. I don't go that that.

If you walk onto any busy mall, you will meet nice people, indifferent people, some that will rob you, help you and worse and better.

But I think there are just a couple species, yet in large numbers who are in our face. Like Grays. They represent most of our ideas of what an alien is because they are using us for their own reasons of recovering genetic viability. They are all over us, and sloppy. But there are benevolent and compassionate species too. Unfortunately bad news travels more efficiently in our culture.

From all the available data it seems there are many species, and from many places, dimensions, worlds in our local part of the galaxy, others near by but out of phase, essentially not hear, but relative to us. Their agendas are vastly different, and in many cases, too different for us to understand.

The jungle tiger does not understand the brutal chase and the sting in it's hind and the groggy sleep as anything but an attack. But the naturalist scientists and people trying to manage the species from dieing out, by study and tracking, are beyond the animals ontological ability to understand. I think we can actually understand somewhat, unlike the Tiger, but we need to go beyond our current level, or lack of, awareness to see and understand at all.

We still have some pretty nasty behavioral traits showing the limitations for our understanding. Many weak links. To understand likely the many completely different "alien" worlds evolving for many thousands if not millions of generations of their own culture, in this universe and other dimensions. The technologies we would also experience are based on completely different physics which would further our confusion, or... wonder.

No, I think labeling aliens with such a blanket description as you proposed is like other countries believing all Americans are evil because of a few weak links in Washington.

Now I will read the thread, but I'm not yet convinced otherwise.

Thank you for posing the question. These are important things to consider as things heat up.

ZG

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Ancient gods or aliens did create most of the religions BUT as a perversion of truth. Some say the Bible is an account written to try to modernize ancient Sumerian texts concerning Annunaki but I submit it's the other way around.

Fallen angels came to Earth and posed as "gods", mated with women giving birth to giants. These giants knew they would meet demise and developed clones (aliens) in which their spirits could dwell after their deaths. Modern day "aliens" are possessed clones presenting a lie. It's the ultimate conspiracy.

It's thrown out because it's "religious" in nature but aren't they saying that we're all evolving into more spiritual beings and they're here to guide us? They speak in "religious" terms.

There are both benevolent and malevolent ETs working on earth. Working in the 3rd , 4th and 5th dimensions. Religions were the result of the Prime Creator(The Creator),ETs actions, and human errors. Therefore, some of the info in "religions" are true but some are false.

Not sure if the Nibiru info is accurate or even true. However, I am very sure ETs exist.

I am just gonna say this: there a lot of types of aliens, not only 1, a lot more; so logically not all are gonna be bad; if you dig into the information you will see that there are some aliens that had defended us for many times

I agree with so many of you -
One thing that struck me by this thread was the final conclusion . That the aliens are not our friends.

And that we have the final answer for the bible words.

Again this is the human way to put things in logical boxes - that are easily understood by our senses. Who can tell if Jesus was in fact the Sun - Described as the Light who shines upon all the stuff on this planet?

The constellations of the stars and all that... Night vs. Day phenomena.

In my opinion - How do we describe them as friends? When we have not even talked to them yet.

I have come to believe that the Bible is written on many levels - So it can be understood in many ways - It has sort of multi-understanding in it... And that is what people cannot understand.
I personally - have laid the bible aside - because - hey it's all here...Why screw up your mind on the bible - when it has multiple ways to be understood.

Even the Pyramids have same problem, for us humans - So many ways to understand it - Multiple ways.

That aliens are not our friends? Well - They are definitely not killing as many humans as we ourselves are...As a race.

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I disagree as well, I have a feeling you have it all wrong. If aliens do exist and have something to do with our religions it is not to cause chaos but promote growth of consciousness.

Religion was introduced to mold the basic moral values that any human being should have. I personally am not a follower of any religion but it has helped understand the message and the corruption and that it has allowed me to grow as an individual.

When I raise my children, I will make them aware of religion, the good side and bad, but I will also teach them that we have reached a new form of consciousness and that religion has led us to achieve this realization.

Religion is a tool, for you to grow as an individual.

I believe in life elsewhere and I also believe that a highly conscious and advanced civilization cannot be an enemy but is a friend, the only enemy is the human being. Until we evolve and understand the mind frame we have been conditioned to believe as true, we will continue to live for war through fear, fear of ourselves!

Et's are not the enemy, we humans are.
If they were the enemy, we'd already be dead, now think about that.

Peace.

So, let me get this strait....

The op claims in part that Aliens are bad because they introduced religion, and religion is the basis of some of the evil(s) on earth. Right?


Well, I offer this...

Religion is also responsable for untold ammounts of happiness and spiritual wellness, positive human intervention and compassionate decisions bearing great joy on the earth over the decades as well.

Even if there was no religion, man would come up with reasons to fight amongst each other, over land, over power, language, food, a woman, ect.. Religion is just a convenient cloak for the ignorant and/or spiteful. However, and for the most part, the bible has to be taken within the context of the time it was written and the mannor in which communication was handled then eithor written or verbal.

Sure some can look at the passage that talks about men in womans clothing and vice versa as "dont do drag"(as refered to in another thread jakyll) but considering the time it was written in and the concrete differences in men and wemen and how they dressed then, its apparent to me that whats being said is if your a man, dont try and be a woman and if your a woman, dont try to be a man. Fundimentally this is against nature as well..

Religion has done more in the history of man to bring us together than anything else we have ever known. It's thoes with other than humane intentions and a perverted lack of understanding that distort what is otherwise a 'good thing' and abuse it and humanity.

Funny how the op tends to lay blame on the book, rather than the people weilding it as a weapon.

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Originally posted by ZeroGhost
The jungle tiger does not understand the brutal chase and the sting in it's hind and the groggy sleep as anything but an attack. But the naturalist scientists and people trying to manage the species from dieing out, by study and tracking, are beyond the animals ontological ability to understand.

This is important analogy to address. It is, imo, a convenient analogy that keep us patient and hopeful, but I don't think holds up.

One, humans are capable of sophisticated communication. Two, a seriously advanced alien species should be able to translate in some simple but effective way. This is not too much to expect.

So, my confusion boils down to:

Why hasn't a very simple contact been made at all? This is the big mystery for me. The effort, or risk/reward ratio, or whatever, for the aliens has got to be tiny.

Therefore, imo, they are not our allies. They may be very nice and courteous people, but they don't seem to care to even say hello. As I said before and you cannot ignore, a contact from another advanced humanoid society would only empower the people and help bring peace. We are not a threat... our government may be, but the people aren't.

It's just not adding up at all.

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clintbyars, that scenario seems plausible. Transhumanism looks forward to the day we can upload our brains into tabula rasa's and merge with technology. That could very well be considered a spirit in earthly terms. The aliens may certainly be capable of taking many forms and living forever.

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Achiro, with all of the atrocities that have occurred, I'm not so convinced. But, we are definitely heading for a showdown of some sort on this planet. If there is any better time to help out, now is the time.

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Ram, my post is causing some to automatically think that I am saying they are our enemies and assuming I'm thinking in black and white when in fact, their assumption is the result of that very black-n-white thinking.

I said they are not our friends. They are not our allies. They are not providing humanitarian aid of the most miniscule kind. I'm saying that we shouldn't hold our breath expecting them to one day reveal themselves and enlighten us for our benefit. It hasn't happened yet, so there is no reason to fantacize that it will.

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Drewdatt, you are right about one thing. Religion is a tool... for tools. And, ironically, it is religion that is responsible for most of our "conditioning". Think about that.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I have to keep informing people that our goodness is innate within us, not from some higher imaginary being.

Ok, think about this. On one hand, some of you say that the aliens are waiting for us to develop on our own. I call that abondonment, but whatever. Then, on the other hand, the religious alien believers expect us to then look "up" to a higher power as the source of that growth. As part of that belief is the assumption that the aliens have already achieved that same spiritual growth, assumably from the same source.

Then, why would it be such a big deal for those higher developed species to contact us; to assist in ANY way at all? The word of God can't flow through them? They can't teach? They are closer to god, right? Is contact with holier species off limits?

I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but we have been forgotten.

jats

Hey, what's that over there? [Edit]

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Well - That it's not black and white makes sense..
I agree with you then...


We don't really know... I think they created the pyramids - or are from teh time where the pyramid was created and have something to do with - how the pyramids where created.

I basically think - They are checking out how their offspring are doing - just like parents check on their children once in a while.

When the human race grows old enough - Or perhaps makes it to that stage where the human mind will benefit the universe - Then I think we will receive stuff - like - happy parents do when their child does the right thing - But this is huge subject.

First of - We need a humanitarian system - Where people can understand what freedom is - Some sort of revolution is needed - to give humans the time it needs to settle down on this planet - and feel - This is my home. Instead we all have to work our lives to hell to have days off.. We need total freedom from any kinda slavery - then I think the good stuff Really starts to happened.

When lies are removed from our planet..That is.

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Like seperation of church & state, I really wish aliens and religion would seperate. We still don't know that aliens exist, let alone created our religion. So how do we know if they're bad or good? With that said I can't comment without giving anything as fact as an answer.

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Food for Thought

There are some philosophical and religious thought systems that believe that it's Satan who controls our physical universe in his MIND or 'consciousness' and that it's Satan who created our universe which includes that world we not only live in but also that place we pass over to after we cease to physically exist that each religion has their own name for.

If you look at it from this perspective, this realm which includes not only our planet but its astral realm as well -- this being Satan, who controls it, allows us to experience bad and unpleasant things so we can mature as spiritual beings where we eventually move on to higher planes of existence controlled by more highly spiritually evolved beings.

Now supposing we were to replace the word Satan and demons with the word INTERDIMENSIONALS. But let's suppose we go one step further and give them the general name ET's and from these deductions we can surmise that those ET's we see most often are not here to babysit us but instead are here to assist us humans in those lessons we need to learn in order to evolve into more spiritually evolved beings who will progress on to more spiritually evolved realities.

So are aliens our friends? From this perspective they are not our friends but they instead are our facilitators toward spiritual growth. But there are teachers out there from higher realms who pop by every once in a while to remind us what life is all about and why we are here ... those are the ET's who are our friends.


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No, he was just using gays as an example of people who may want to discredit the bible.


Well, on second glance, maybe he was..

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He knows certainly well what he was saying and how it would come across. Passive aggressive for sure. Caught me off gaurd too. I read his whole post and he seemed detached and cool headed and then stuck it to me when I wasn't looking... probably while smiling. Cool dude.

jats

P.S. I apologize that I had to lose my temper like that.