Conclusion: The Aliens Are Not Our Friends

The more important question should be, "Why are humans so evil to each other?"

Not to table the idea that "Aliens are not our friends", but first we need to look at ourselves as a 'galactic species'...

We kill/maim our poor in wars against each other for power and wealth. We cannot seem to figure out how to stop buying guns, and start buying food. We will kill each other over trivial things such as bad driving in traffic or a shiny piece of yellow metal, or coveting another's wife. I could go on and on about how 'humans' have a hard time getting along with each other to such extreme degrees, why would an alien want to be our friend?

Only now has humanity had the 'technology' to have orbiting satellites with cameras that when pointed at the earth can read a newspaper over someones shoulder from space. Don't you think that if Aliens have the technology to get here from where ever they are from, that they would have the video capabilties to 'see' what is happening on the ground, without ever having to come down here?

They would have had this tech longer than we have even had 'civilization'. They would be able to see cavemen smashing each others heads in, and if they looked down today they would see the same thing, but today we do it with a cordless telephone instead of rocks (I guess some probably still uses rocks...).

I guess what I am saying is that I would be less than friendly to any 'group' that treats each other that way. If they kill because of the color of another's skin, or their faith in some made up religion, what do you think they would try do to a being that is possibly vastly different in appearance, and would change the religious beliefs of almost the entire planet.

I am not sure if I were an alien being looking down, that I would even attempt 'friendship' with a species that cannot honor that bond among themselves with any honor. Caveman, to Roman Empire, to now, watching our every move. I would use my superior technology to "Shock & Awe" panic and mayhem, and then I would kill anything moving, after all the carnage, I would steal all the natural resources for my spieces. Any human still alive would either be killed, or worked to death as a slave.

Expecting anything more from 'aliens' in regards to friendship and humanity than we ourselves can accomplish on this planet is far fetched. The only honorable thing for humans to do is to 'lay down our weapons of aggression' and use the amount of labor and resources used for hate and destruction, and use it towards the betterment of all mankind.

The warhawks will say that it is foolish to do it, but they are mostly saying that because their belief system in intertwined with their profession. They fear that if their belief system being stops being 'condoned' by society, they will lose their power and wealth... So of course they will tell you that we need nukes, and missles, and guns, and bombs, and airplanes, and boats and whatever else.... whether the 'enemy' is here on earth, or far in space.

Problem is, if Aliens have technology that more advanced than us, it is highly likely that if extremely more advanced. Think about the "Shock & Awe" campaign by the United States over Iraq... How far advanced are Americans over Iraqis, 50 years? 100 years?
The aliens are probably 1000 years or more beyond our technology... I imagine if the were to Shock us and the Awe us, we would barely let out a squeak.

Maybe the plan in case of an all out Alien invasion is to Nuke the planet 100 times over, and commit suicide before the aliens could 'get us'

I sure wouldn't want to be friends with the aggressive, moody, suicidal kid. I dont think the aliens would either.

DocMoreau

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Originally posted by jats1
Sure, we need to develop on our own, but if we were manipulated, that would be a crime. jats

The only real manipulation that I have seen in regards to religion has been by the hand of man...

Now, I know there is the whole argument that alien planted these religions into the consciousness of man, et cetera, et cetera... However, that is all speculation. What is fact is that man has used religion as a method of control over the masses for centuries.. As you can probably decipher, I don't much buy into the whole "aliens are evil" theory.

However, we are all privileged to think or believe as we wish, at least for now.



[edit on 9-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by jats1
As for your population factoid, I always heard that the population is so large today that only about half of the people ever born in homo sapien history have even died. Just a nit.

Be careful what you nit because you could be the factoid. Estimates of the number of people who have ever lived range from 45 billion to 125 billion. Here's a reference that suggests the number of people alive today compared to all the people who have ever lived is a little more than 5%.

I think the aliens are us. They are from our future. They are the evolutionary leftover of humans who do not make the upcoming dimensional shift. They are the humans who survive the cataclysm of 2012. The "Greys" are from 450 years in the future. Part of their dna gets screwed up and they have to come back and harvest untainted human dna to fix the problem. The "Greens" are from 520 years in the future and have come back to stop the Greys. The "Tall" ones are the evolved children of Astronauts who escape the cataclysm on earth and resettle near Orion.

They are humans using time travel to skew the timeline to their advantage. They all are suspect and manipulating, but I think the talls are the best of the worst.


jmho

Originally posted by jats1


I've given the aliens the benefit of the doubt for my whole life, but now I don't think so anymore.

Welcome to ATS jats1..... I think this is the crux of what your OP is about and I for one would like to know what, or more importantly why you have come to this conclusion.

Also a side note or question for you...have you recently come back from "over sea's?" Not tryin to snoop just got an impression or vibe from your writings.

Again welcome...home?

[edit on 9-11-2007 by 1nL1ghtened]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by jats1
Sure, we need to develop on our own, but if we were manipulated, that would be a crime. jats

The only real manipulation that I have seen in regards to religion has been by the hand of man...

Now, I know there is the whole argument that alien planted these religions into the consciousness of man, et cetera, et cetera... However, that is all speculation. What is fact is that man has used religion as a method of control over the masses for centuries.. As you can probably decipher, I don't much buy into the whole "aliens are evil" theory.

However, we are all privileged to think or believe as we wish, at least for now.



[edit on 9-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

I'm not really taking such an extreme point of view that all aliens are evil. I'm taking the view that some are perhaps evil, some good, and some just don't care. But, I don't see any evidence that any of the good ones have visited us.

My point is that surely any alien that would come down and pose as a God would be guilty of exploitation and simply stirring up trouble given religion's history. I'm saying that they should have known the consequences of even visiting us in this manner, only to dissappear never to be seen by the MASSES again for thousands of years.

Hell, it could have even been a few alien pranksters posing as gods. But, now I'm rambling.

jats

I don't think that you can just go and group all of ET in one group of good or evil. That's not the case with us and we only live on this miniscule speck in the distance of an awesomely massive sea of possibility for diverse life.

You wouldn't group the entire human race into just black or white.

Nevermind: Read your post above.


Also:

Assuming they have and are visiting us...

Perhaps the consequences of them NOT visiting us would be worse than those resulting from them having visited us? We won't know.

Religion, in my opinion, has helped to control the billions of people on this planet. Religion has instilled a sense of fear for the repercussions of "wrong doings". Imagine if there never was religion? Things would have been in even more of a mess, imo.

Sure, we probably could have learned to control ourselves (over time) as to avoid certain consequences. Religion however seemed to be a much quicker solution early on.

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The fact that they are not open and public with the people of earth should be a sign of there intent. Plain and simple it is deceptive and deception and is the opposite of truth and forthright!!!

just my Opinion.

There indifferent they don't give a # if we live or die, otherwise they would have chimed in when Hitler was pulling his #, or now with bush its a #ing joke we are a pathetic #ing race of beings

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schuyler, I stand corrected. I'm glad I qualified it as a nit at least. ;o)

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Doc, thanks for the reply. I see your point, which I agree with... whether we "deserve it" or not, the aliens aren't our friends.

We are on our own... until we become a threat.

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1nlightened, no. I was overseas about 15 years ago. Thanks for the welcome.

I just came to this conclusion in the order of my bullets. I think alien visitors in ancient times can explain some or all of the God sightings. I'm an atheist and don't see this "phase" of god worship as helpful. The aliens, by common definition, should be extremely intelligent and benevolent, but the result of their visits do not appear so wise, imo. Therefore, they were not trying to help.... they are not our friends.

*******AND if they are not our allies, then any visit at all from them, even now, should be considered suspicious. If they don't want anything to do with us hillbillies, then their visits here must be in THIER best interests and not ours.

Come on Coma, do you really believe that we do not have any innate morality? How did we make it for 98 thousand years before the Ten Commandments? So, for 98 thousand years, Heaven just sat their and watched with arms folded only to intervene 2 thousand years ago to dictate a few common sense commandments?

No, we have to have more self respect than that. It takes religion to make an ordinary person do something truely insane.

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Chicago, agreed. The point behind conspiracy awareness is that anything hidden can be used to manipulate. Knowledge is power. But, if powerful knowledge is only held by a few, then obviously there will be an unbalanced concentration of power. It takes effort to avoid detection. Therefore, it is on purpose. The only question is, why the hiding? Obviously we wouldn't be a threat.

jats

Originally posted by jats1
Hello.. first post... first UFO/Conspiracy forum. I'm sure I'm not the first to proclaim this, but it's a new theory for me and thought I'd run it by everyone and get if off my chest.

First, if you believe in Alien visitors at all, then it's hard not to also believe they had something to do with our religions forming due to ancient visitations and sightings.

Secondly, religion has been a burden on all of the world and I would argue has done much more harm that good, especially to the extent that it keeps us in darkness and ignorance.

Conclusion, any aliens that would manipulate us in this way, or merely allow our primitive ancestors to run amuck with all that religious crap based on our experiences with them surely don't give a damn about us.

I disagree that all aliens are purely benevolent. As we have in the Middle East, there could be some Aliens who have gotten hold of advanced "magical" technology but were not evolved emotionally enough to use it wisely.

Perhaps some rogue aliens dropped by to cause trouble and mate with our beautiful females (Genesis reference). But, surely, if there were also some more caring aliens who heard about their manipulation, they would have intervened not just to put an end to the "bad boys" antics, but to also correct us in the well-known and unhealthy religious path.

Or, perhaps the nice aliens care for us like we do with those in Darfur, but turn a blind eye, or realize we are so backward that they just don't get bothered by our suffering.

Or, perhaps they have a more harsher attitude towards life and regard our sufferings as necessary and inescapable part of life. But, that doesn't fly since it was their kind who antagonised the whole situation in the first place.

Anyway, that's my take. Comments welcome.

jats

all the evils you speak of are mans,and mans alone.

its not religion,the devil, or even aliens.

we have nowone to blame but ourselves, accept that.

Originally posted by jats1
Come on Coma, do you really believe that we do not have any innate morality?

No, of course I believe we have. I've never followed any religion yet consider myself to be of a sound ethical nature. What I'm saying is that religion has tried to guide (scare, really) people into the "right" direction. As a safeguard, I guess.

I know from my own experiences that we don't need religion for that. There are however moments when we are weak. At these moments we often overlook our inherent values (through lack of experience, overpowering emotion, whatever) and this is when religion keeps some of us in-check. I think we've all had rare moments where we've shocked ourselves by going against these values in such cases.

I honestly think that religion has saved some people from carrying through with some terrible things when various influences have managed to get inside their head.

Note: I'm basing all of this on my understanding of Christianity, mostly. As it is the religion that I am most familiar with. I'm sure there are some religions where I would adopt your same view.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Comatose]

I'll stay away from the religious part of the discussion, thank you very much

But as far as some Aliens being hostile. That's not a new concept at all, and as a matter of fact, I would think that anyone who seriously believes in the existance of ET's thinks that out of the many species that are supposedly documented, there are a good deal of them who are up to no good.

But luckily for us, I believe there are some that are looking out for us. I believe some of the ET's have reached a higher state of being, spiritually, where war is not neccessary; one where any disagreement can be settled peacefully, without using violence.

But I don't think you can blame an evil alien civilization, toying aroung around with Humans in the years 1000BC, up to and past 500 AD, for the state that the world is in right now.

I believe Humans, by nature, are a war-like, species.However this CAN be changed; with some work spiritually, and hopefully some great leaders, the kind with integrity,and the mass populous doing their part as well, we can turn this whole mess around; and become more advanced spiritually like we should be, and can be.

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IMO, it is not so cookie cutter like you have it. There may be good aliens, bad aliens, indifferent aliens, wishy washy aliens, etc... You do suggest that they're probably not all good or all bad, but we may not even be able to comprehend how they feel about us. We shouldn't humanize aliens.


[edit on 9-11-2007 by Raoul Duke]

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wierdalien,

I do accept our evils. I know that some are necessary as well. I'm just saying that the entire universe of aliens are not so... Holy, if that get's my point across.

The universe seems harsh. Maybe I'm projecting. But, a kindly visit from them with some GREAT knowledge would only help to empower the people don't you think?

You would have to agree that knowledge brings light and with it freedom from ignorance and darkness, correct? If they are all around us, then why not share? You would figure that an advanced race all around us would know just how to introduce a bit of EXTRAORDINARY wisdom that would help without causing panic or whatever.

Something is just not adding up!

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Coma, I hear ya and thanks for your comments, as well as to everyone else! I was raised somewhat Protestant, but wandered through the Eastern religions as well.

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Nola, that's a fine theory and one I would like to believe, but if what you say is true, then where are they??? What's the big friggin deal? Just show yourselves already. I'm sure in all of their wisdom they could do it without throwing the earth off it's axis.

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Raoul, that's cool, but don't you think they see us poor humans so frustrated like we are? Like I said above, they could at least lend a helping hand... anything... just one word! LOL Yet, there is nothing... absolute silence. I tell you, we are being utterly ignored. Either that, or the aliens just don't exist, at least none have visited at all and the whole alien experience is a combination of atmospheric phenomena and beings living in our heads! That's for another thread, though.

Thanks for everyone replies. This is the best # to talk about.

jats

jats

Aliens are not our friends or enemies because we all haven't met them to see their real intentions..

If they were really our enemies then they could've just destroyed us a long time ago if they wanted to....What if they are friendly? I don't think I've ever heard of them harming humans.

Raoul, that's cool, but don't you think they see us poor humans so frustrated like we are? Like I said above, they could at least lend a helping hand... anything... just one word! LOL Yet, there is nothing... absolute silence. I tell you, we are being utterly ignored.

Well there are experiencers who claim to be in contact with ETs. To us (the non-experiencer world) they seem like crackpots, but to them their experiences are very real. The biggest reason I've heard that they don't contact us now is because they don't want to interfere with our development as a race. We might not learn what we need to learn if we 'cheat' so to speak in our development and don't struggle to attain advancement.

Also many have speculated, if there is a Galactic Federation that a certain level of spiritual or intellectual advancement might be required to partake in it. So we might be like mentally challenged people to them, lol.

Either that, or the aliens just don't exist, at least none have visited at all and the whole alien experience is a combination of atmospheric phenomena and beings living in our heads! That's for another thread, though.

Well, there are theories of course about ancient astronauts, and alien intervention in human history. The best evidence for this seems to be signs of advanced technology in ancient history. But this doesn't necessarily mean alien intervention, it could be that there were technologically advanced human civilizations already on this planet (I've never researched this myself, but I've heard there's supposed to be evidence of a past nuclear war in a part of India).




[edit on 9-11-2007 by Raoul Duke]

Originally posted by Morning_shadow

If they were really our enemies then they could've just destroyed us a long time ago if they wanted to....What if they are friendly? I don't think I've ever heard of them harming humans.

Jim Marrs in Alien Agenda argues something very similar to this; that if the aliens are evil why would they wait for our technology to get to the point where we could put up a good fight with them, or defeat them.

Provided there really are aliens, and none of us have definitive proof of this, there is a very good reason why we aren't "blown away" yet. If there are good and bad ETs, then the stronger group has a hands off policy, while the weaker group seeks exploitation in some form.

I have often thought of the way abductees often have a great deal of fear during the event. What if fear could be bottled and sold? Think how we ourselves spend millions to be scared, how we even have a holiday in the US devoted to fright. Maybe "bad" aliens are Galactic drug dealers?????

Now I'm not saying I buy this myself, it's just a stray thought I have from time to time. But it goes to show that there could be perfectly understandable reasons why there seem to be good and bad encounters, yet no takeover.

Originally posted by GeeGee

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I am still waiting for an answer as to why it is that some seem to think it doesn't make sense that an advanced civilization would be watching us fight and not intervene. I imagine that, considering the things we fight over, they view it as being rather comedic.

Things that we fight wars over


1. Religion: Who's right? Who's wrong? Who knows?

2. Politics and ideology: Again: Who's right? Who's wrong? Who knows?

Maybe because our violent nature is a direct result of regressive ET intervention?

Perhaps they want us to destroy ourselves to the point where we beg for a savior, and at that point they come down from the skies pretending to be Gods.

There's a lot of talk about a staged invasion coming, maybe that's when our "saviors" will come to the rescue.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by GeeGee]

I'm about willing to agree with that. Our violent nature could be a direct result of regressive ET intervention. I've been reading alot about the possibility of genetic manipulation of our past ancestors.
If the Annunaki really existed, the human race at the time thought of them as gods, and I have the feeling also that some people today would think the same thing, and think that they are rescuing them, whilst they were enslaving them. Because if genetic manipulation is true, then we were tampered with to be their slaves. So obviously these beings are malevolent, and we share some of their genes.