Russia suspends arms treaty -- The World War III Wheels are in Motion.

Originally posted by SimiusDei
I seriously doubt China will be supporting us.

I believe they'll support Russia just long enough for them to turn around and take down Russia.

China's rise is no accident. I have no facts to back this up, but I believe they're being backed by world bankers and other organizations. China's laws and society are basically the dreams these bankers have for the world.

Originally posted by Copernicus
and will therefore end up in conflict with the US who wants to be the sole dominator and decide what country gets to do what.

Again, this is my opinion, but I don't think this is solely the US wanting to dominate the world. I think the world bankers are funding this US conquest, but the end goal may be to have a huge conflict, depopulate the Earth in that conflict, and wipe out the major military powers to make way for the global government.

Basically, I think the US is just a tool for "them". Based on what I've seen, it goes much higher than just the US government. These bankers are men without countries, basically. They support no one but themselves and their criminal buddies, and they'll use whoever and what ever they have to to do what they want to do.

It's martial law in Georgia.

www.pr-inside.com...

The president of Georgia claims the Russians are behind it. They probably are, it's no secret that Russia wants it back.

Added this:

www.reuters.com...

Russia to respond, maybe that's why they wanted out of the treaty.

[edit on 7-11-2007 by logicize]

If one will read the whole page & especially the last paragraph
of this document: CFE Treaty, fact sheet
www.state.gov...

"Ratification by NATO allies of the adapted Treaty is awaiting Russia's compliance...'

bottom line, Russia is just exercising their right to not ratify the
CFE treaty and the subsequent Istanbul summit commitments...

just ;oke GW Bush dropped out of various USA treaties & commitments
... And ... then instituted his own "BUSH DOCTRINE" upon the world...
(bush doctrine tells the world the USA can premptively strike anyone)

Originally posted by JSR
mabe this story has something to do with it

State of Emergency in Nation of Georgia

Saakashvili has blamed Russia for fomenting the unrest in the former Soviet nation. His prime minister, Zurab Nogaideli, said in a televised statement that there had been an effort to overthrow the pro-Western government.....

Again, i point you all to the last paragraph in the 'fact sheet',
where both Moldavia and the state of Georgia recieve special
mention.....because of the Russian presence and future withdrawl
of Russian forces vis-a-vis the CFE Treaty..........
Russia at present has terrorist organizations operating from Georgia
on the territory and peoples of Ruissia,
so ?why? would Russia acquiese to the CFE Treaty terms.
and allow an enemy/terrorist force a place of sanctuary !

suspending the 'treaty' does not indicate a confrontantion with the west
~as the thread seems to imply~ there's lots of other factors,


thanks,

its my opinion that putin saved russia for selling his country out to the US and europe........perhaps on a hardway... but everybody must agree that from the wreck's of the ussr a solid nation is build today...

some may say..not democratic...it might.. but I prefer a strong and honest diktator moore than a weak "democratic "gov'ment that relays only on lies and dicieve where making money for gread is the only issue..

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i still believe, in the back of my mind, this has something to do woth the unrest in georgia. and i do believe russian agents are fomenting unrest. the same way us agents are fomenting unrest in iran.

however, it appears you are correct about the non-ratification of the treaty. i found this article:

Georgian security services state that they have successfully concluded the anti-criminal part of the Pankisi Gorge operation at the end of September, and need a few more months to fully cleanse the gorge from any lingering terrorist elements. There is a risk, however, that the Russian leadership would blame Georgia for having provided safe haven to the Chechens involved in the October 23rd hostage-taking in Moscow, and launch attacks in self defense.....

The Georgian state’s weakness and corruption, along with its inability to enforce law and order in many parts of the country makes it an easy target for Russian hardliners. The harshest Russian statement so far came from president Vladimir Putin himself on the anniversary of the tragic attacks in the United States. He asserted to the UN Russia’s right to attack Georgia to prevent a terrorist attack from Chechens hiding in the Pankisi Gorge....

source:
www.georgiaemb.org...

1) America is the only Superpower in the world and someone has to lead. If everyone is equal that is called communism and we have along history of how well that works out. someone has to be the lead dog.

2) America said if Iran develops Nuclear Weapons it will lead to WWIII. Do you think any leader really wants a bunch of Muslim jehadist to have a nuclear weapon?? There is only a stick with these people because when a jehadist blow themselves up and takes you with them they get, in their minds, the best carrot they could ever get or want.

3) The opposite of War is not Peace but Strength. You can be as peaceful as you want to be but if someone wants to start violence with you they can unless you are strong enough to hurt them back

4) China needs to export to keep growing. i would say, they would help America and her allies before she backs Russia for the simple fact of consumer capitalism

Originally posted by DCP
1) America is the only Superpower in the world and someone has to lead. If everyone is equal that is called communism and we have along history of how well that works out. someone has to be the lead dog.

2) America said if Iran develops Nuclear Weapons it will lead to WWIII. Do you think any leader really wants a bunch of Muslim jehadist to have a nuclear weapon?? There is only a stick with these people because when a jehadist blow themselves up and takes you with them they get, in their minds, the best carrot they could ever get or want.

3) The opposite of War is not Peace but Strength. You can be as peaceful as you want to be but if someone wants to start violence with you they can unless you are strong enough to hurt them back

4) China needs to export to keep growing. i would say, they would help America and her allies before she backs Russia for the simple fact of consumer capitalism

1)) Errrr China has a larger army, can put 1 fighter in the air for every bomber the WEST can feild ( not just the US but the entire WEST ) and has every bomb you have, i.e. its another superpower. And just what do you think Russia has kept??? You guys are struggling in Irag what, FIVE years later......hmmmmm anyone heard of Vietnam??

2)) Do they not have the right to defend themselves???? The US is on their borders on 2 flanks on bogus missions! What would the world do if us Aussies decided to build them??? Deny us the right???? We have a damn big desert to hide stuff in and since we have one of the largest supplies of uranium ......

3) Agreed with the point if someone wants to start violence they will,but strength???? One strong man only gives birth to a challenger. Tolerance is needed above all. Instead of dictating to them how they SHOULD rule, how about discussing it with them . in the end, if the people didnt want it, they would change it... Maybe you should ask them WHY they are so keen for it.

4) China does not need exports. wake up pal. they can stop production of everything and simply wait for the world to collapse which would probably happen in about a week or two. When was the last time you heard of anything being xported TO china??? other than fuels...


China is on Russias side. period. China needs fuel, Russia needs an ally and $$$$ Read Me

Just my 2cents worth

NATO should have ratified the adapted CFE a long time ago, but failed to do so. They said they wanted Russia out of Georgia and Moldova first, before they'd ratify it. I believe they should have ratified it anyway. And then they could've asked the Russians to get their troops out of Georgia and Moldova afterwards. Too late now...



More here in my "old" thread:
Russia Has Suspended The CFE

reply to post by SimiusDei


russia is not the usa problem never really has been except what we have imagined it to be when we went poking around in their backyard like with korea and vietnam.russia will be a problem for the eu when they under german leadership start a war with russia and its allies which will blow up in the german/eu/rome=the biblical babylon the great faces (who will again war against us before hand) another repeat of ww2 -----so biblical prophecy indicates.

4) China needs to export to keep growing. i would say, they would help America and her allies before she backs Russia for the simple fact of consumer capitalism

Is that why they are helping kill our dollar?

Dollar Plunges on Chinese Central Bank Comments
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Because they need us to buy there crap! They dont need the US they have been holding back there dollar for a long time. They are the new super power!

Originally posted by Redemptionseeker
1)) Errrr China has a larger army, can put 1 fighter in the air for every bomber the WEST can feild ( not just the US but the entire WEST ) and has every bomb you have, i.e. its another superpower.

China does have more troops but not sophisticated equipment. I don't think its accurate that China has more planes than the U.S. Besides, all that manpower means nothing if you cannot deploy them in the proper way. Basically, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel for the U.S.

2)) Do they not have the right to defend themselves????

Umm.....as if the U.S. would attack Russia for no reason.

3) Agreed with the point if someone wants to start violence they will,but strength???? One strong man only gives birth to a challenger.

Sorry but it does not work that way. The challenger will always be there. You must be ready to protect yourself. There is always someone who wants to control everything, its human nature, and does not matter how peaceful your society is.

4) China does not need exports. wake up pal. they can stop production of everything and simply wait for the world to collapse which would probably happen in about a week or two.

Sorry but it would only be a temporary problem and there would be no world collapse. Business would just build plants in other countries or return to the U.S.

When was the last time you heard of anything being xported TO china??? other than fuels...

Well fuel is a big one. Without fuel China can produce nothing nor sustain their military. China also imports lots of technology.

[edit on 7-11-2007 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

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Woah,
more evidence of politics in action !

sure Georgia is an element, along with two dozen other issues....
none being more important than the other...
all being equal !

i just can't paint Putin as 'evil-incarnate'- - - for politicking (for his nation)
and trying to arrange a advantageous result for Russia


thanks,

reply to post by SimiusDei


Remember that the US is Chongwa's number one export country. So they need us to make money. But then again what if toilet paper becomes more valuable than dollars, its also comfier.

It is the Cold War all over again, except replace Communism with Terrorism (and Islam if you want to see it that way).

The old world superpowers are all flexing their military and economic might in the hopes of causing their rivals to flinch, but sadly, it seems the certain leaders are intent on carrying this through.

The original 'Coalition of the Willing' is the new 'Allied' powers to put their hand into this powder keg and i think Russia / Iran / China will be the Axis.

All it needs now is a new Cuban missile crisis-style event to light the match and BOOM.

A Cuban missile crisis-style event isnt needed nowdays to bring fourth a world war.
Another false flag,9/11 type attack on the U.S,and then we can blame it on (insert country of choice here).
And there you have your excuse/opportunity to start your war.
Its just a shame that those who start these wars are never the ones who fight them.

Come on guys... this is just more muscle-flexing by Vladmir Putin. It's basically a ground version of his recent bomber flights near US and European airspace. We all know about Putin's desires to return Russia to its USSR glory days as a super power. He wants attention and respect from the West, and with the emerging power and influence of China, he is afraid of Russia losing its position.

I hate to break it to some of you, but not everything that happens in the world is the result of US foreign policy and decision making. Blaming every threat or problem on the Bush Administration is getting pretty old.

Originally posted by Rasputin13
Come on guys... this is just more muscle-flexing by Vladmir Putin. It's basically a ground version of his recent bomber flights near US and European airspace. We all know about Putin's desires to return Russia to its USSR glory days as a super power. He wants attention and respect from the West, and with the emerging power and influence of China, he is afraid of Russia losing its position.

I hate to break it to some of you, but not everything that happens in the world is the result of US foreign policy and decision making. Blaming every threat or problem on the Bush Administration is getting pretty old.

Putin is looking for attention from the west ??

Russia is throwing weapons at Iran, and China has the United states economic balls in the palm of there hands. Putin is not looking for attention.

He is daring the west to make a move. The original author of this topic is absolutely correct WW3 is in motion. And in my opinion the United states is in a very bad spot.

Originally posted by Redemptionseeker
1)) Errrr China has a larger army, can put 1 fighter in the air for every bomber the WEST can feild ( not just the US but the entire WEST ) and has every bomb you have, i.e. its another superpower. And just what do you think Russia has kept??? You guys are struggling in Irag what, FIVE years later......hmmmmm anyone heard of Vietnam??

Hmm, the vast majority over 90% of Chinese fighters are no more modern than the MIG-21, hardly a threat. If you want to make the comparison then the West can put up 5 fighters for every chinese bomber. China isn't a military superpower and cannot project any strength outside her borders. What has Russia kept ? come on Mr Expert, lol. Comparing Iraq to Vietnam shos your military knowledge extends to catch phrases only.

2)) Do they not have the right to defend themselves???? The US is on their borders on 2 flanks on bogus missions! What would the world do if us Aussies decided to build them??? Deny us the right???? We have a damn big desert to hide stuff in and since we have one of the largest supplies of uranium ......

Right so you are equating Australia's government to that of Iran ? So Afghanistan is a bogus mission ? seems the rest of the world doesn't think so. Get you facts straight do some reading. I am Australian and people like you just make us look stupid.

4) China does not need exports. wake up pal. they can stop production of everything and simply wait for the world to collapse which would probably happen in about a week or two. When was the last time you heard of anything being xported TO china??? other than fuels...

You truly are living in a fantasy land and obviously have no concept of economics. China in fact relies on the rest of the world to export to, which is why they deliberately keep their curreny undervalued. Without foreign money their economoy dies and the the increasing wealth the people are enjoying disappears. Then the government will have real trouble.
Funny thing is after living in China for a year and a half, most young people express their admiration for America and dream of going there one day. not Iran or Russia.


[quoteChina is on Russias side. period. China needs fuel, Russia needs an ally and $$$$

You complely misunderstand the situation. Your article link harldy backs up what you are saying. US and EU trade dwarves trade with Russia.

Chinese-Russia trade $29.1billion

In 2006, EU kept the place as the biggest trading partner of China. China Customs' statistics showed that the bilateral trade in 2006 reached US$272.3 billion, up by 25.3% year on year and accounting for 15.5% of China's total foreign trade.
www.gov.cn...

The US is just a little behind that.

The way I see it, our enemies are already winning politically. They can do whatever they want, and pretentious, self-righteous Americans will automatically start blaming their own government, because they're "war mongers" and all. Too many people have a bad habit of overlooking history and only studying the side of it that they want to see. What's it going to take for people to stand up and defend their country?

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with Putin's Authoritarian Attitude. Has nothing to do with Putin and his quest to dissolve his government and slowly through Socialistic Capitalism, to bring back a much stronger and far less free Communist Soviet Empire. Has nothing to do with Putin's absolute hate for the Free West and the fact that his Communist Union was destroyed. It also has nothing to do with his want to dominate his people and expand his boarders. Has nothing to do with his need to bring instability to the region by aiding radical governments to obtain weapons and devices to kill Western Civilizations.

Nope, its all G.W's Fault cuz he wants to corner the market on Carbon Credits.