I call for Jesus Christ to return in 40 days, or for a great sign in the sky signaling his return.

Originally posted by depth om
Confidence is quite different from arrogance. You are confident in your assertions.

i'm confident in my assertions because they are backed up by the facts (or lack thereof)
your confidence is baseless.

I was not stereotyping, it was merely an emotionally charged statement, I'm a human too!

then you are forgiven

God is perfect man is not. Jesus rectified many of Moses's laws. I believe what Jesus said, and what he performed. Where is the evidence there was no Jesus.

where is the evidence that there was?
i don't have to disprove an unproven claim

All people are quick to adopt the writings of men. Every book, written by a mind, every fact found by a mind, every instrument created by a mind. One that is not perfect.

exactly, it's why people adopted the bible...
however, facts aren't of the mind, facts are of the universe.

Nothing disproves God. Proof is immaterial.

nothing proves god, proof is everything.

Lame. Isn’t it a little early for you tell me it’s not going to happen because I don’t have enough faith? I believe just fine. I am like many men in the bible; disappointed in the amount man has to suffer, how long it takes god to return, and other things like how pompous, assuming and dimwitted most are, especially those who think they are holy. Today they are corporate cookie-cutter christians no faith, no balls.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i predict that this won't happen. even from a christian theological viewpoint it won't happen, let alone a reality-based one

Wow really going out on a limb there madness! Have any other daring predictions?

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hmm... the sun will rise, lightning will strike the ground in various spots on the earth, it will rain somewhere, at at least someone will complain about taxes, and plenty of people will die tomorrow.

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I would think doubters might want to quell the negativity here. We wouldn’t want anyone to blame the lack of a sign, or Christ’s not returning, on my inability to garner support because of an obstructive atmosphere. Anyway, I’ll be busy praying for a while.

Originally posted by sexysadie
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I would think doubters might want to quell the negativity here. We wouldn’t want anyone to blame the lack of a sign, or Christ’s not returning, on my inability to garner support because of an obstructive atmosphere. Anyway, I’ll be busy praying for a while.

LOL, that's funny.

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We are supposed to allow God to work through us. The world is doomed, yes, it is terribly wicked here yes. I have balls to go out into it, and change it, be a witness, go on missions, etc.

Change... YOU bring about change in the world after God brings about change in your soul, your heart!

If you want the world to heal... help.

Man, I hate to do this to you sadie (since you are a believer). But, why are you asking for this?
What if there's no sign? Will you suddenly become an atheist?
If you answer my question, I'll tell you about a massive event that might happen within 40 days, the likes of which men have not seen since the bible, but not in the sky.

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You said: I hate to do this to you Sadie (since you are a believer)

What are you doing to me?

You asked. Why are you doing this?

Because I’m saddened by the amount of suffering god expects his people to endure. The longer time goes on, the crueler it seems. I figured as a believer, I’d try and be proactive, and get the ball rolling. I listed only a few of the many gripes I have with the world that never go answered by god in my op -

How many tyrannical leaders will god allow to rule? How many greedy men will be allowed to make their fortunes on the backs of the poor? How many government’s will god allow to rule by deceit and terror? How many lies can be told, how many acts of violence can be perpetrated on children, or against other innocent people without a response from god? How many naysayer will be allowed to mock the testimony of the prophets without rebuttal, or use the bible to start wars, win elections, and sell automobiles?

Basically, I don’t feel there is any honesty left in business, or any loyalty left in friendships, or any lessons learned from mankind’s mistakes, or any opportunities left for dreamers, or any role models left for children, or heroes left to take a stand, or any purpose that isn’t political, in organized religion, or any truth in politics, or accuracy in the media, or any care given by caregivers. So I thought I’d just try to experiment with a little prayer in an anonymous forum.

You were wondering - if there’s no sign, would I suddenly become an atheist? No.

So what is your event?

Originally posted by depth om

. The world is doomed, yes,

Is it?

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Incredibly different? Yes... Destroyed, doomed? Nope.



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Originally posted by depth om
reply to post by sexysadie

 

Change... YOU bring about change in the world after God brings about change in your soul, your heart!

If you want the world to heal... help.

God has already brought about change in my soul, my heart. And I’ve done all kinds of things to help the world. I hope you’re not suggesting I change (me personally) even more. Especially without knowing me personally? There’s only so much one person can do. I need to change more because you don’t like my prayer? Why is it always the individual who must change when the bible insinuates it’s the masses that are heading for hell? I’ve altered my life dramatically for god. I believe in god, I might be disappointed by the unfairness and injustices I see around me, who isn’t? I’ve tried as an individual to make a difference in the world to standup against injustice.

Making you question your god in the end. At least, what you think about god. This could change you dramatically.

Remember this verse? "blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed" (John 20:29). People are happier if they don't try to rationalize everything that's in the bible, if they just believe. There are a lot of wisdom in the bible, but also things that just don't add up. Now you want proof, big chance, you won't get it. Especially in this scale.

Based on your reply to me, you have already started to question God. Why god let this happen, why god let that happen. Okay, so you wouldn't become an atheist. But I bet you will start to doubt christ and god, or at least christianity when the sign doesn't happen.

In my opinion, it is not in your place to demand for christ' return or some sort of great sign (especially it has to in 40 days, kinda bossy don't you think), but I understand, so here it is. The Pacific Ring of Fire is getting restless these days (google Mount Kelud, and Anak Krakatoa). If there's going to be a massive event, it'll be either a cascading volcanic eruptions in this region, or a massive earthquake that centered in Japan that can kill not thousands but millions of people. Don't bet on it sadie, and certainly don't wish for it to happen. A lot of people will die.

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I’ve not seen and I believe, and the sign I seek was not on my behalf, but on behalf of those with weaker faith.

Plus many people from the bible have questioned god, and he’s even sent them angels to explain things. Certainly if man could question god in the days when miracles seemed normal, how much more can man question him now when God is so absent, and no angels come to answer the more complicated questions that are not explained in the bible.

I do not demand that Christ returns, I’m just making a hearty plea, a prayerful request that he does.

And being that Pat Robertson and others are making religious predictions. I’d like my great sign request (if given)to involve the color green. That way people will know it had nothing to do with Pat Robertson, or god hating gays.

Originally posted by sexysadie
Plus many people from the bible have questioned god

See, you took the bible too far. If I write a book, the book says this book is about the truth, it doesn't mean it is.

You're a tricky one, aren't you?

Sadie, if you want it in 40 days, it's a demand. Now you want it in green. Why green? Pleaseee don't tell me it's your favorite colour.

Why if it's green, people won't know it had nothing to do with Pat Robertson, or god hating gays.

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