Real Cure for Cancer! Possibly aids too?

Originally posted by matiascs

I do think that you are the one not getting it...disease is a lot more complicated that what you seem to understand...

yes, and more complicated than you understand, and more complicated than anyone or any group understands. My point exactly.

It's the sheer arrogance of the allopathics, who think they can work it all out and distill it into a pill - laughable really.

There's really no point me telling you again that cancer is cureable, not just manageable, without drugs. You're obviously too invested in the 'wars' and the fumbling 'science' to want to understand.

BTW, I wasn't suggesting that the 'little guys' in the field and the white coats were lacking humanity, but if you think the pharmacorps are peddling toxic chemicals out of some misguided understanding that they will empower our health, rather than to turn a buck, then I'd say you're a little naieve - no offense

[edit on 9-11-2007 by RogerT]

reply to post by SevenThunders


What you do seem to conveniently forget is that not all drug research is done in the pharm industry. Many great drugs/cures have come from academic settings were there are no (in principle) economic interests.

Also, research is not only done in the US, many other countries pump and obscene amount of money into "neglected" diseases (google T. cruzi and Brazil) where endemic diseases are tackled. Of course drugs are profitable, but again, there seems to be a need in this forum to treat topics as either black or white...either the pharm industry wants to make everyone sick/hide cures or natural cures can cure everything...I would expect that polar thinking from my kid, not from adults...we can see on a daily basis that things are not black of white but grey (no connection to the aliens though)

Originally posted by matiascs
natural cures can cure everything

Now you're getting it

Originally posted by RogerT

Originally posted by matiascs

I do think that you are the one not getting it...disease is a lot more complicated that what you seem to understand...

yes, and more complicated than you understand, and more complicated than anyone or any group understands. My point exactly.

It's the sheer arrogance of the allopathics, who think they can work it all out and distill it into a pill - laughable really.

There's really no point me telling you again that cancer is cureable, not just manageable, without drugs. You're obviously too invested in the 'wars' and the fumbling 'science' to want to understand.

BTW, I wasn't suggesting that the 'little guys' in the field and the white coats were lacking humanity, but if you think the pharmacorps are peddling toxic chemicals out of some misguided understanding that they will empower our health, rather than to turn a buck, then I'd say you're a little naieve - no offense

[edit on 9-11-2007 by RogerT]

Then give us the information!...show us how many people you have cured!
Change the world! Get a Nobel!...instead of ranting on how you can do it...show it...you just might change the world while you're at it...

Originally posted by matiascs
show us how many people you have cured!

You're still not listening.




PS. trim your quotes a bit bro'

[edit on 9-11-2007 by RogerT]

Originally posted by RogerT

Originally posted by matiascs
show us how many people you have cured!

You're still not listening.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by RogerT]

Well, just the reaction I was waiting for...try to divert the attention from the main point...a shame...for a minute there I almost believed...
Good night

reply to post by matiascs


You can do all the research you want in academia. Once you are finished with that please tell me who's going to lay down the bucks to get these treatments approved by the FDA? That's an expensive proposition. Unless there is money to be made it doesn't happen. I certainly can't blame the pharmaceuticals here. After all they are beholden to their shareholders. Their CEOs are obligated to maximize profits.

For this reason I think it's time to abolish the FDA. We can replace it with full reporting requirements so that the efficacy or danger of various treatments can be monitored in real time. After that it's caveat emptor and watch out for the snake oil salesmen. (Though I've heard that snake oil is actually pretty good for you being loaded down with omega 3 fatty acids.)

Originally posted by matiascs

Well, just the reaction I was waiting for...try to divert the attention from the main point...a shame...for a minute there I almost believed...
Good night

No bro', I was suggesting you settle down and actually listen to another human being instead of trying to start a pissing contest.

Why don't you go back and read my posts. The clue is there. It's a contribution, I promise.

hint: I'll give you a thousand bucks if you can find any post of mine where I say that 'I' cured anthing

Originally posted by SevenThunders
After that it's caveat emptor and watch out for the snake oil salesmen. (Though I've heard that snake oil is actually pretty good for you being loaded down with omega 3 fatty acids.)

Actually, the original 'snake oil' was a very effective echinacea tincture:

In the late 1800’s there was a man named Joseph Meyer from Pawnee City, Nebraska. He was a traveling salesman who went from town to town peddling wares from his wagon. He learned from the Plains Indians the virtues of a "Kansas root." The Indians had been using it for hundreds of years for wounds, colds, and snake bites. They knew that it helped the body to heal itself and that it protected the body from poisons and toxins.

Joseph Meyer made an alcohol tincture of this root and sold it as a cure for everything. He traveled west selling his tonic and became quite famous as both a healer and a showman: on stage, he goaded live rattle snakes into biting him and then drank his tonic. He never fell ill to the snake bites and he sold a lot of tonic.

By the end of the 19th century, he wanted to know what this root actually was, so he shipped a case of his tonic to Professor King, one of the nation’s leading physicians and herbalists, and author of King’s American Dispensatory,.

Professor King could only laugh at the request, for how could you identify an herb from a tonic? He wrote Meyer telling him he would have to send the whole plant to King’s laboratory to discover what it was. Meyer sent off the plant to King who shelved it.

Meanwhile, Professor King’s wife was dying of cancer, and nothing he tried would help. He had the best medicines of the day, but nothing helped his wife who was slipping away fast.

Just a few months later, Professor King’s wife had a full recovery, and King was overjoyed and came to her saying that he was glad that his medicines had finally worked. She told him that she hadn’t been following his medical advice, and to his astonishment, that she was taking the "snake oil" he had shelved.

www.mnwelldir.org...

I feel i need to say a few things here. I've had alot of personal experience with the big "C", as my dad used to call it. He died on the second time of having it, along with a close friend at school growing up, and my grandfather. So naturally, i want to be able to avoid ever getting cancer.

I've spent along time researching through the internet and various books and publications. The conclusion I am coming too at this point in time is this:

Cancer is an immune deficiency disorder.

This is largely due to a combination of factors:
• Very poor diet with lack of natural vitamins and minerals
• Lack of water for the digestive system to cope and run efficiently
• Build up of toxins within the body
• Stressful events due to lifestyle

I'll go a little deeper.
The western diet is very poor. Take a look at what you put in your shopping trolley next time you go to the supermarket. With the exception of fruit, vegetables and buts, most of the food is processed. Natural vitamins which we as human beings need, have been stamped out of the food chain over a long period of time. A good example: Ever tried tasting the difference between home grown vegetables from the garden with natural fertilisers used, compared to supermarket? Home grown wins every time. We have not always eaten this way. We are getting bigger, fatter, unhealthier. We've not always been like this. It's only been since the 40's as the world population grew that quantity over took quality. Take a look in to Eskimos and the hunsa tribe, and try and see what there cancer rate is like.

We also eat far too much meat. Most meat is very poor. Chicken is injected with water and washed in bleach before it goes on the supermarket shelf. Most fish are polluted in the oceans of the world. Virus spread amongst cattle. It's no surprise this enters the human food chain. Also, take a look at the growing cancer trends in Japan and China, due to increase in western food.

Water
The human being is made of approx. 2/3 water. Recommended allowance is 3-4 tall glasses of fresh water a day. This helps to flush the body, and gets rid of toxins which build up in the system. Avoid tap water, as most contains fluoride. Distilled water is very good, although in many countries scarce and expensive. On a visit last year to the UK, i was shocked to see most supermarkets did not stock this on the shelf. few places sold it, and those that did it was very expensive. In my home country, we are able to buy PureDew, which is distilled water. This tastes very plain, with no metallic after taste. This is excellent for the body.

Toxins
As mentioned before the body builds up toxins from diet. A great way to get rid of these is to drink plenty of distilled water, exercise to build up a sweat and let the toxins be released through the skin through sweat. Toxins can also build up in the brain. Regular meditation twice a day 10 mins at a time is great for the mind as it helps to keep it clear.

Stress
Perhaps the silent number 1 killer in the western world? We all work to earn something called money. We then have to pay 1/3 of this money as income tax, leaving us with 2/3's. This money left pays the mortgage, buys food and clothes. What we have left goes towards keeping up with the Joneses. Society tells us to buy more and borrow more, and the feeling of losing it all forces incredible stress on us. People are always worried about money, it causes so much stress, the mind takes over the soul with repetitive thoughts about what if. Sleepless nights, crankiness, short tempered, lose of hair, it all happens. If stress can be avoided, it can help.

There is so much more to talk about, these are just the basics. In a nutshell, take a lifestyle change to avoid cancer. Find ways of overcoming stress, and remember:

Each cancer patient is worth $1.2 million to the drug companies.

It's no wonder after 30+ years the Cancer research charity in the UK has still to find the magical cure.

Originally posted by RogerT
Bro' you couldn't be more wrong.

There are quite a few natural healing modi that not only cure cancer but ANY disease or imbalance in the body.

well what are they man?
you gave me some half assed link a few days ago....
WHAT can CURE WHICH type of cancer?

please, please post in in this thread for all to see.

i have asked you several times....

i really feel like you are the one that is not getting it....'ginko can cure cancer'...

there are hundreds of types of cancers that all have their on individual stages.....

my step dad has cml....lets look it up shall we.

en.wikipedia.org...

--CML is a clonal bone marrow stem cell disorder in which proliferation of mature granulocytes
--treated with certain inhibitors, gleevac, bone marrow transplants, chemo, stem cell transplants.....
--prognosis=In the lowest risk group, the median survival time was 98 months. In the middle group, the median was 65 months, and in the highest risk group, the median was about 42 months.

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so again, please, can you or someone else that is knowledgable about these natural cures give me a rundown of things that will 'cure' my stepdad...

please and thanks.....

have asked in this thread and others and i usually get links to pages by people that are selling books or something....

Originally posted by RogerT

There's really no point me telling you again that cancer is cureable, not just manageable, without drugs.

now, i may have missed when you told me but i doubt it...i will go back and check all your posts in this thread...

now, do i need to get on the rooftop and shout pretty please for you to give me the info, or do you just not have it?

my step father is 47. he has CML. been diagnosed for about a year now...he is taking gleevac and HAS altered his diet...

so, what can i tell him to do that wii CURE this cancer?

pretty please and much thanks

www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=RogerT

fred t, all your posts from this thread....quite a lot of them are just spewing about how everyone else is wrong.

--I already pointed you to one very authoritative source for cancer cures. You said you would look into it, but judging from your post here, you obviously didn't look very hard, if at all?---

^^^^can you give me that link again, out here in the open? thanks

--I'd love to get into discussion about the healing power of Amanita and other shamanic medicines, but it's against T&C--
^^^

--Typical arrogance of someone within the allopathic medical establishment--

^^^that one was at jazzerman

--blah blah blah, show me peer reviewed clinical studies blah blah blah
I'll take the hearsay over your medical jargon anyday.

^^^that was at jazzerman too

Why don't you come and talk to my mum who's breast cancer is now GONE, or my close friend who's liver tumor gradually shrank until it VANISHED, or another close friend who's adrenal disfunction miraculously CORRECTED ITSELF.

They were DYING. Medicine was not helping, in fact, the more drugs they took, the worse they got. After starting the Natural healing they CURED themselves.

^^^^what did your mom do to get rid of her cancer? a list of things perhaps? what natural healing did they use?


--There are quite a few natural healing modi that not only cure cancer but ANY disease or imbalance in the body.--

^^^well, what are they?

--Why don't you go back and read my posts. The clue is there

^^^i did just that but i can't get past all your spewage..wish you'd just get to the point...
obviously i can't talk to your mom or your friend but i can talk to you....you can tell me things your mom did to rid her of cancer....

so, i will sit and wait for your reply.....
i have a feeling i already know the nature of the post but, i will still hold out for some actual substance

Originally posted by Boondock78
you gave me some half assed link a few days ago....

Well actually, if you were really interested in this stuff, and prepared to take some personal responsibility for following up, rather than continually whining that I'm not telling you what you want to hear, then the link I gave you was all you would need. I had far less than that when I started my own natural healing journey.

You still seem to think that it's a one-liner, like 'eat 3 pieces of broccoli a day'. That's what you get from the Docs, 'take 2 pills 3 times a day', but that's not natural healing, and anyone who tells you something like that almost certainly can't help you, as you rightly surmise.

Originally posted by RogerT


Well actually, if you were really interested in this stuff, and prepared to take some personal responsibility for following up, rather than continually whining that I'm not telling you what you want to hear, then the link I gave you was all you would need. I had far less than that when I started my own natural healing journey.

You still seem to think that it's a one-liner, like 'eat 3 pieces of broccoli a day'. That's what you get from the Docs, 'take 2 pills 3 times a day', but that's not natural healing, and anyone who tells you something like that almost certainly can't help you, as you rightly surmise.

so are you NOT going to give me the link again?
i told you i don't have it anymore....can you post that link in here please?

again, YOU said that your moms cancer is cured....so i ask AGAIN, what did she do?
i can't talk to her so i am talking to you....

you're saying a whole lot but you're not telling us anything....
i'm whining that you're not telling me what i want to hear cause you are not....

YOU said you spent 20 years learning about this stuff. certainly you have links on your pc....so, post em up on the board so we can all educate ourselves...

YOU said 'talk to my mum'.....since i can't to that i am talking to you, yet you are not saying anything...

6 pages of debate and you're basically calling people that don't believe you ignorant...
i have asked again and again for some of the info you are holding so close, yet you are not coming up with it....

that tells me that you either don't have it, or you do, but it is all BS>

i'm sure i am not the only one that would like to see just a small portion of links you have collected over the years....

not that hard dude....

ive told you what disease my step dad has, what stage, what age, what meds and asked you what he could do...
yet, you've told me nothing....

Here is a good list for fighting cancer (partial). Just go to the link to see the whole list. If you google "natural cancer cures", you can find many sites that have a lot of the same information.

HOW DO WE FIGHT CANCER
There is no one drug, herb, or treatment that will kill cancer. Cancer has to be treated by building the body’s immune system. Listed here are some natural ways to help build the immune system.

ELIMINATE SUGAR AND JUNK FOODS
Eating white sugar will paralyze and hinder your white blood cells from fighting off an infection. Eating 25 teaspoons of sugar will paralyze 92% of your white blood cells for approximately five hours. The average American eats over 42 teaspoons of sugar per day. For example: A banana split has 24 teaspoons of sugar. A 12 oz coke has approx. 8-10 teaspoons, a piece of white bread 2 teaspoons. It must be remembered that sugar or empty calories and junk foods interfere with the working of the body’s immune system.

ELIMINATE HIGH FAT DIET
Diets high in refined fats have long been associated with increased cancer risk. Breast cancer is more frequent in women on diets high in both saturated fats, (whole milk), and in animal fat.(2) A low fat diet not only prevents breast cancer but increases the survival of women who already have breast cancer. (3)

EAT A TOTALLY RAW DIET
This is or will be the hardest single thing to follow, but it is very important. Only raw fruits, vegetables, nuts and sprouted grains are what you will be eating until your cancer is in remission. Nothing cooked, no cooked beans, bread, potatoes, etc. Sounds tough, but let me tell you this is much easier then taking chemotherapy and having your hair fall out, vomiting, being weak, etc. And ,of course chemotherapy will not build up your immune system. Instead it will tear it down. Raw food is live food and possesses the highest nutritive value. It is full of vitamins, mineral, enzymes, phytochemicals, etc. Cooked food is dead food, plant any seed and it will grow. Cook the seed and then plant it and it will not grow, because it’s life principle has been destroyed. . Place cancer cells in a cooked media and they will proliferate. Now place the cancer cells in a raw matter and they will disappear! This astounding fact is known to the Cancer society, but the public was never informed. (4)

DRINK PLENTY OF PURE SOFT WATER
How much is plenty? It depends upon how much you weigh, you take your weight, divide it in half and that is how many ounces of water you need in a 24 hour period. Of course if you are working out in the hot sun and perspiring a lot you would need more. For example: you weigh 160 lbs. Half of that is 80 so you need 80 ounces, which would be 10 eight ounce glasses. The type of water we need to drink is soft water, that is water that has no minerals, as the minerals in water are inorganic and are harmful to our health. Where as the minerals in food are organic and our body needs this type of minerals. Two types of water that have no minerals are distilled water and reverse-osmosis water.

TAKE DAILY SUNBATHS
Expose as much of the body to the sun. If you have a light complexion start with ten minutes and gradually increase it to a minimum of one hour a day. While sun bathing use no lotions, sunscreens (they can cause cancer), or oils. Do not wear glasses while sun bathing as it is important for the ultraviolet light to get into the eyes, and glass of any kind will keep the rays out. Interferon is effective against several different kinds of cancer including carcinoma, sarcoma and leukemia. This fact spurred the American Cancer Society; to purchase interferon from Finland for experimental use. Dr. Hans Strander of Finland discovered that he could give interferon to terminal bone cancer patients and double the number of long term disease free survivors. White blood cells in our bodies manufacture this wonderful interferon that can help so dramatically in cancer. Sunlight is a great stimulus for increased white blood cell production and thereby increases the production of interferon.

GET PLENTY OF FRESH AIR
Deep breathing of fresh outside negatively charged air, (the good kind), helps cleanse the lungs and increase circulation. Fresh air from the ocean, near a river or waterfall or after a rain storm is not only negatively charged but is high in oxygen which is very beneficial for cancer. Be sure to have plenty of fresh air in your bedroom as you sleep, keep a window open, even in the winter the window should be partially open. A fact worth knowing is that cancer cells cannot live in the presence of oxygen. (6)

EXERCISE OUT OF DOORS
Brisk walking, no jogging, from one to five miles a day is excellent exercise. If you do not have the strength, start slowly and gradually increase the distance. Exercise outside is 10 times more beneficial then indoors. When exercising inside you do not receive the suns rays or the pure fresh air. Working out in a gym is like working out in a smelly tennis shoe.

GET 7-8 HOURS SLEEP EVERY NIGHT
The earlier you go to bed the better. Every hour of sleep before midnight is worth two hours, every hour after midnight is worth one.

USE HERBS TAKE NO SUPPLEMENTS OF ANY KIND
There are many herbs for cancer, but the one I highly recommend is Red Clover. You use only the flower, not the stem or roots. Red clover contains the following chemicals: biotin, choline, copper, coumarins, glycosides, inositol, magnesium, manganesel, and selenium. It also contains vitamins: A, B1, B3, B5, B6, B9, B12, B17, C, P and the mineral Zinc. This is quite an assortment of minerals and vitamins for one herb. And possibly in the future we will discover it contains other important ingredients. Red Clover has been used in America for over 100 years to treat and prevent cancer. It is good for cancer on any part of the body. I have personally used it for many years at my clinic and have seen many individuals recover from cancer.

Source: www.cancernaturalcure.com...

Originally posted by Boondock78
so are you NOT going to give me the link again?
i told you i don't have it anymore....can you post that link in here please?

...


i'm sure i am not the only one that would like to see just a small portion of links you have collected over the years....

I did my research 10-20 years ago, and experimented sufficiently that experience became my teacher, so I don't need a list of websites to tell me what to do, therefore I don't keep links. I have a couple sources for products which I order over the phone when I need them, but that would be fairly useless to you at this stage.

I found the URL that I posted before by doing a quick google search on one of the most experienced and successful natural healers who is still alive today, Dr. Richard Schulze. I was looking for a particular essay of Schulze's for you to read as an acid test of whether you would take him seriously or not. I found it, and some other of his writing, on the page I posted.

I didn't keep the link, but I'm sure you are more experienced at searching ATS than I am to find the original post.

again, YOU said that your moms cancer is cured....so i ask AGAIN, what did she do?

...

i have asked again and again for some of the info you are holding so close, yet you are not coming up with it....
...

not that hard dude....

Yes, and I've told you again and again that it's not a one line or even one post answer.

Given you did absolutely NOTHING with my first suggestion, why would I want to spend the next 3 months holding your hand and guiding/pushing you through a bunch of healing routines, writing thousands of lines of text and answering endless questions when all you seem to want to do is kick the tyres and tell me it won't work?

Go read the page I posted, then go do some of your own research on the information, and if that ignites even a tiny flame of passion to embark on your own natural healing adventure, I'll be happy to offer my own limited knowlege and experience to help you move forward.

For those finding it difficult to understand my somewhat radical position on this topic, here is a fairly succinct comparison between Natural Healing and Allopathic Medicine which may offer some insight into my 180 degree stance on medicine.

The Difference Between Natural Healing and Medical Intervention

1. Symptoms

Natural Healing: We Listen when our body "talks" and use this communication to guide us in our healing process
Stop, Look and Listen

Medical Intervention: Dull, Suppress or completely Remove the Symptoms, most often assessing that the symptom is the Disease itself and never getting to the cause of why our body is "communicating"

2. Focus

Natural Healing: To Create a Healthy Person

Medical Intervention: To Destroy, Kill or Cure a Disease

3. Method of Treatment

Natural Healing: Setting up a proper living environment so our body can heal itself. This is done through changes in our Food Program, Elimination, Movement, Emotions and Lifestyle. Assistance

Medical Intervention: Attacking, Killing and Removing disease using drugs and surgery. Altering or removing malfunctioning parts or organs (ex. coronary bypass surgery, appendectomy, mastectomy,) Intervention

4. Therapeutic Products

NH: Products of Nature WholesomeFruits, Vegetables, Grains, Seeds, Sprouts, Legumes, Nuts, Herbs, Concentrated whole food supplements such as sea vegetables. NO Side Effects

MI: Man Made Products IsolatedDrugs made from petro-chemicals, animal waste and toxic elements. Man made vitamin and mineral pills. MANY Side Effects including latrogenic DEATH

5. Therapeutic Modalities

NH: Vegetarian (Vegan) Food Programs, Cleansing and Detoxification Routines, Exercise and Movement, Bodywork, Hydrotherapy,
Emotional Healing, and Changes in the way we Live, Work, Play, Relate

MI: Surgery, Radiation, Toxic Chemotherapy, Stimulant,
Sedative and Suppressive drugs, Carnivore DIEtetics, Dialysis, Colostomies, Changes in ones Lifestyle and Habits are rarely discussed.

6. Emotions

NH: Positive Attitude, Excitement, Strength, Trust in Nature/God,
Love, Laughter, Empowerment.

MI: Negative Attitude, Coping, Anxiety, Fear, Weakness, Depression, Being out of Control, Our life is in someone else's hands.

7. Responsibility

NH: We have created our current health level and therefore we can change it and heal our self. Being in control.

MI: I "caught" this disease. I am an unlucky victim. Doctor/God, please heal me.

Originally posted by RogerT

I did my research 10-20 years ago, and experimented sufficiently that experience became my teacher, so I don't need a list of websites to tell me what to do, therefore I don't keep links.

I didn't keep the link, but I'm sure you are more experienced at searching ATS than I am to find the original post.

Yes, and I've told you again and again that it's not a one line or even one post answer.

didn't keep the links...gotcha...
i can't search ats for the link cause you wouldn't give it out on the board...you pm'd it to me and i deleted it...nothing to search for

yes you told me time and again it is not a one word answer but you have spent some time in here posting so i figured since i asked you a direct question about your mom, you could give me something...
example=
carrots-she ate carrots cause it helped keep this enzyme down
broccoli-she ate that cause it kept this enxyme up.

see?

not three months and thousands of lines...
i just think you don't want to answer the questions but whatever....

believe what you want...i've asked you about 5 times now for links or examples of your mother, since YOU said "talk to my mom", but again, you're talking a lot but you're not saying anything......

Originally posted by Boondock78

i can't search ats for the link cause you wouldn't give it out on the board...you pm'd it to me and i deleted it...nothing to search for

No I posted it on the board. I got mod-slapped immediately after doing so as it was off topic. Go look, you'll find it.