Real Cure for Cancer! Possibly aids too?

Originally posted by lifestudent

Now the question is, how soon will we really see Kanzius' treatment in use? I have a relative and also another friend who could really use it asap. My assumption is that there will still need to be phase I-III trials, meaning at least a few years, even if fast tracked.

If it works, and as I understand it, it's in its infancy, it could be 10 years or more.

And at that, it's doesn't sound likely to be useful for some types of cancer - multiple myeloma or something doesn't have a tumor you can target, for example.

What sorts of cancer does your friend and relative have? Are they the sort that responds well, like Hodgkin's lymphoma? A lot of cancer has pretty darn good prognoses these days. And there's all sorts of trials you can get on for the other sort.

i just can't seem to get on board with these natural cure alls.

are there any documents about any person with cancer...breast cancer or liver cancer, etc.....someone like that, that started eating a gang of brocolli and changed their diet and boom, no more cancer...

where/when has this happened?

we see a lot of links from various types of people(usually have something for sale) saying/claiming they can do these cures, but where are the links from people that have been cured?

i have 3 people in my family with cancer. 2 with breast cancer and 1 with cml.

considering they all have cancer, they are doing 'fairly well' with the medications they are on..

i think it would be insane of them to stop seeing docs and taking those meds to go to this natural stuff.

sure, things like taking a certain vitamin or eating certain things will HELP your body in these situations..
just can't see how people buy into this stuff.

this is one consipiracy(the if there is a cure they will never let it out conspiracy) that i don't believe in...the money is in the meds and people will always be sick.
there will always be money to be made

I believe that any illness maybe cured by the person himself..
So many illnesses made by human itself in order to profit from it all..
remember watching a video about vacination. u get nothing good from it at all
better keeping your body and mind healthy, and your immune system will work fine

Originally posted by silencee
remember watching a video about vacination. u get nothing good from it at all
better keeping your body and mind healthy, and your immune system will work fine

Yeah don't get me started with the flu vaccination. Here in the UK it's free for elderly people. Wonder why?

When you get older, you stop working for a living and giving taxes through that to 'the system.' Instead with old age you 'take take take' (in most cases) from 'the system' with pensions etc.

I dread to think what's inside those flu vaccinations to shorten the life span. Sounds like paranoia doesn't it from my part, but I've researched a plenty into the medical service hence why I wrote a lot on the first page. So I'm pretty sure these 'free flu vaccines' aren't all they are cracked up to be.



On a side note, a mate of mine who I once knew had a young lad and of course they have vaccinations at school from a young age right? He denied the school to give his child vaccines because of the research myself and he had on vaccines. I wrote a thread about them on this board last year or maybe two years ago. If I can find it, I'll post it a bit later on. I had praise from ther administrators at the time because of my findings.

Anyway, my friend had letters from the health service etc encouraging his child have the vaccinations. Little did he acknowledge them. Yes it sounds very irresponsible and silly, but if you research into the field a little deeper than just standing from afar and saying "aww that's bloody silly," you'd realise he has valid reason for his caution.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by Arawn]

Okay, I found my original thread which includes links (don't know if all of them are still active,) facts and figures on the dangers of vaccines.

THREAD CAN BE VIEWED HERE

Hope that sheds more light on these horrible vaccines.

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Well, one has liver cancer, and while I'm not sure of the specifics, I do know that she needs a transplant. The prognosis isn't very good.

Another was diagnosed pretty late with prostate cancer, and is now on the "I will live as well as I can" plan. Unfortunately, in his case, it has spread, and he is focusing more on quality of life than length. I do know that in some cases, people have remissions when there's little hope. If it has something to do with their approach and attitude, he seems like he'd be a good candidate.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost

He said that the experience you had under the mushrooms induced state would cure all including alcoholism, aids and more.

I'd love to get into discussion about the healing power of Amanita and other shamanic medicines, but it's against T&C. Psychoactives are considered 'very bad drugs' and outlawed - wonder why?

There is tons of symbolism in religion and other 'ancient stuff' based on the Amanita. Worth looking into if you like this kind of stuff.

By the way, it's the Psylocibe mushies that are generally referred to as Magic Mushrooms. [Easy to find in most English green pastures, especially where there's lots of cow poo - so I'm told]

Originally posted by Arawn
I dread to think what's inside those flu vaccinations to shorten the life span. Sounds like paranoia doesn't it from my part, but I've researched a plenty into the medical service hence why I wrote a lot on the first page. So I'm pretty sure these 'free flu vaccines' aren't all they are cracked up to be.

Well, besides live attenuated viruses or deactivated viruses most vaccines including those for Influenza species and sub-species like H5N1, H7N3, H3N2, Influenza A, Influenza B, etc. do contain other chemicals mainly used as preservatives. Because Influenza is an RNA based virus found in the Orthomyxoviridae family it has a very high rate of replication and mutation as with most found in this family, which can cause various serotypes to occur based on the order of its viral proteins Hemagglutinin and Neuraminidase. In fact, this process is so efficient that DNA polymerase enzymes that are dependant on RNA transcriptase make errors in about every new replication process allowing every budding viral particle to be distinctly different both morphologically and genetically than its ancestor. Most Influenza vaccines contain the inactivated form of the virus, which are disrupted with zonal centrifugation, multiple purification, and finally inactivated by sodium deoxycholate and formaldehyde which results in a viral split. With the vaccine “Fluarix” in particular, each inactivated virus is then suspended in a solution of sodium phosphate and sodium chloride to further dilute the mixture.

One reason that Influenza vaccines contain higher concentrations of preservative chemicals than other vaccines is because typically the high rate of viral mutation leads to impurities in the vaccine manufacturing process. Off the top of my head without having to look through every single one of my medical journals I can think of a few chemicals used in the manufacturing process of Influenza vaccines such as Fluarix and Fluvirin (the most common ones):

-Gentamicin Sulfate- an aminoglycoside antibiotic used to prevent gram-negative bacterial growth
-Formaldehyde
-Neomycin- an aminoglycoside antibiotic used to prevent gram-negatives and gram-positives from reproducing
-Polymyxin-detergent antibiotic used in vaccines as an anti-fungal agent
-Thimerosal- made from Ethylmercury (different than the toxic Methylmercury) which cannot bioaccumulate (I have covered this in other threads previously).
-Polysorbate- an emulsifier
-Tributylphosphate- used as a solvent, and only in the manufacturing process
-Betapropiolactone- a sterilizer and disinfectant which is hydrolyzed, metabolized, and excreted at a fast rate.
-Etc.

None of these chemicals are especially toxic in the doses given for typical Influenza vaccines. Tributylphosphate does have some inflammatory issues in large amounts, but because it is only used as a solvent in the manufacturing process and not usually contained in the vaccine itself, there is little risk of a toxic effect. Thimerosal has been discussed in great length on ATS previously (quite a bit myself), and I will stand by the fact that Ethylmercury is an entirely different form of mercury than its toxic methylmercury cousin. Not only this, but Thimerosal is found in virtually non-existant amounts in Influenza vaccines as compared to the MMR vaccines, which tend to stimulate a lot of controversy these days.

It is very difficult to “cure” viral infections with any other means than vaccines or some newly established Bacteriophage therapy because of the high rates of mutations caused in the genome of RNA viruses. On the other hand, DNA based viruses have much less efficient biological processes and are usually not terminal threats. Not only this, but because viruses are not essentially living organisms by definition it becomes extremely difficult to eradicate infections completely using “natural” remedies (the efficacy of which have never shown positive results), and we are forced to turn attention to synthetically manufactured vaccines and variants. It is not that the medical community wishes to prolong illness of any sort, but that with limited means of defense we are forced to use other means of combatants.

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Great info! Thanks for the post Jazzerman. I didn't realize that Thimerosal was not supposed to bioaccumulate. Based on some things I've read, I'm assuming that is still under debate. Regardless, it's great to get this technical info on vaccine ingredients. Starred your post.

What keeps me doubtful of whole pharmaceutical conspiracy is the fact that presidents, billionaires and other top of the hierarchy individuals continue to die from these diseases. They continue to have kids with down syndrome continue to lie in their beds for months knowing that nothing but death awaits them. These people would give up their entire fortunes in a split second for a cure.

How can you argue against that? There just taking it for "the team"?? I dont believe it. These people are too selfish for that.

Originally posted by Jazzerman
It is very difficult to “cure” viral infections with any other means than vaccines or some newly established Bacteriophage therapy because of the high rates of mutations caused in the genome of RNA viruses. On the other hand, DNA based viruses have much less efficient biological processes and are usually not terminal threats. Not only this, but because viruses are not essentially living organisms by definition it becomes extremely difficult to eradicate infections completely using “natural” remedies (the efficacy of which have never shown positive results), and we are forced to turn attention to synthetically manufactured vaccines and variants. It is not that the medical community wishes to prolong illness of any sort, but that with limited means of defense we are forced to use other means of combatants.

Spoken like a true medical scientist, bravo -

90% won't understand much of what you've written, but will be impressed by your seeming 'authority' on the subject, and will now mistakenly believe the garbage you posted about 'natural' remedies being 'ineffective' (politely paraphrased).

Typical arrogance of someone within the allopathic medical establishment to wield a phrase like 'never shown positive results'. How could you possibly know that? How could anyone?

Originally posted by lifestudent
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Great info! Thanks for the post Jazzerman. I didn't realize that Thimerosal was not supposed to bioaccumulate. Based on some things I've read, I'm assuming that is still under debate. Regardless, it's great to get this technical info on vaccine ingredients. Starred your post.

It still is under debate, even as recently as last week here on ATS.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's a post linking scientific studies that do not agree with Jazzerman on Thimerosol

www.abovetopsecret.com...

enjoy

RogerT, I stand by what I said. Show me some peer reviewed clinical studies demonstrating the efficiency of natural remedies by independant sources and I would be more than willing to take them into consideration. Results stand for themselves, and if they cannot be scientifically tested and verified then they are little more than heresay.

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Hi Roger, Good point on that specific claim, but you have to remember to assume that statement has "in AMA accepted studies" as a postfix. Also, having Jazzerman contribute his education to the thread, listing actual ingredients and some details of what's in vaccinations can be very helpful for those trying to determine if there is something in them we should really be concerned about. So far, I've understood that there is real concern about Thymerosal, but not the other ingredients. In a certain way, vaccines generally could be called a homeopathic approach.

I personally believe you can do a great deal with herbs and foods, including help your body recover from illness. I think the real problem with getting a more holistic approach from the health care system are the industries driving allopathic medicine. At the same time, I do know a number of doctors that subscribe to eating well, supplements, and won't discount the possibility of herbs, accupuncture, and other alternative therapies providing real medicinal benefit.

Regarding my friend with liver cancer, she was undergoing an alternative therapy that seemed clearly to be helping her, both in how she felt and also on her tests. As it turned out, she really needed to be on the transplant list, and in order for that to happen, her insurance company had a requirement that she stop having the therapy in question. I don't believe her doctors ever complained about it, but she had to stop.

Originally posted by RogerT
It still is under debate, even as recently as last week here on ATS.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's a post linking scientific studies that do not agree with Jazzerman on Thimerosol
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are correct, it is still under debate, but there is more than enough information to base conclusions that Ethylmercury does not bioaccumulate, and is not found in high enough levels to create the side effects that it would take to produce a response level in accordance with Autism and other biological disorders. I would love to see research from a Chemist that has specifically done testing with Ethylmercury in comparison to Methylmercury, but that is unlikely to happen here on ATS. Rest assured the debate will rage on, but as a scientist, all the good research I have seen points to Ethylmercury not being a contributing factor to vaccine side effects.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by Jazzerman]

Originally posted by Jazzerman
RogerT, I stand by what I said. Show me some peer reviewed clinical studies demonstrating the efficiency of natural remedies by independant sources and I would be more than willing to take them into consideration. Results stand for themselves, and if they cannot be scientifically tested and verified then they are little more than heresay.

blah blah blah, show me peer reviewed clinical studies blah blah blah

Just because you haven't personally read a peer reviewed study does not mean that 'natural' remedies are ineffective.

Are you honest enough with yourself to at least admit that?

Just like the doctors and specialists who told me I'd NEVER WALK AGAIN if I didn't get my ruptured achilles surgically repaired. They were wrong, I used Natural Healing to regrow a new tendon, and I was playing squash 3 months later.

I'll take the hearsay over your medical jargon anyday.

Why don't you come and talk to my mum who's breast cancer is now GONE, or my close friend who's liver tumor gradually shrank until it VANISHED, or another close friend who's adrenal disfunction miraculously CORRECTED ITSELF.

They were DYING. Medicine was not helping, in fact, the more drugs they took, the worse they got. After starting the Natural healing they CURED themselves.

Sorry, we didn't get a clinical peer reviewed study about it, they didn't seem to think that was necessary.

I could go on, and on, and on

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Originally posted by Jazzerman

Rest assured the debate will rage on, but as a scientist, all the good research I have seen points to Ethylmercury not being a contributing factor to vaccine side effects.

OK, well if you are saying that 'as a scientist' then I suppose we will all have to believe your are right

Originally posted by lifestudent
I personally believe you can do a great deal with herbs and foods, including help your body recover from illness. I think the real problem with getting a more holistic approach from the health care system are the industries driving allopathic medicine. At the same time, I do know a number of doctors that subscribe to eating well, supplements, and won't discount the possibility of herbs, accupuncture, and other alternative therapies providing real medicinal benefit.

Don't get me wrong bro', your posts are very incisive, but the problem here is more the 'fringifying' of natural healing.

It's kind of like a nice thing to add on...

'here, take these antibiotics and remember to eat live yoghurt to help your intestinal flora repopulate after the carnage'

Any allopathic doctor that really comes to understand natural healing would not be able to continue in allopathic practice. Those that practice 'complimentary' medicine just don't get it.

Natural healings greatest enemy are the pseudo healers who ponce around with incense and candles and a glass of carrot juice, and tell you nice thoughts will heal your cancer.

Louise Hay is a prime example. You can heal your life. Yeah right. 2 hip replacement surgeries and I believe recently a lumpectomy. Nice one Lulu, what happened to YOU can heal your life!

Now we got a machine to 'vaporise the tumor', so we can continue the lifestyle that gave us the disease and get a treatment every other year to remove the symptoms. Certainly better than an immune destroyind dose of toxic chemo, or even worse AZT, but just more ignorance imo.

This is also doing amazing things too...for all kinds of serious conditions and diseases as well:
www.vibe-machine.com...

I've used this machine and it's done incredible things for my energy levels, sleep, allergies, etc.

Hope this info helps someone!

reply to post by lifestudent


There is also the concern of the bodies ability to handle the destruction of cancer cells. The kidneys and liver are most likely in need of help as well. There is a lot of information available on natural kidney and liver flush methods as well as, for instance, a coffee enima that help the liver to detox.

Cure! Look up Dr. Bob Beck on google or watch his videos on video.google.com. He was a physicist sent home to die. He point to a major basketball player that went off the court with aids only to return to the court - cured? I think so! He used pulsing with low voltage, magnetic field pulses, ozonating and colloidal silver water.

Dr. Hulda Clark has two books out on curing cancer. She has done amazing things and other sell equipment based on her research. Her books detail the causes and cures of many diseases as well as the frequency of many of the worms, parasites and so forth. Wonderful woman to have done all she has. Look up, " A Cure for All Diseases". Check video.google.com for a video. Try: www.drclark.net or a non-associated site that sells items related to her work www.drclark.com

Dr. Max Gerson was curing cancer back in 1928. His daughter Charlotte continues his work with clinics in Mexico and elsewhere. Look up Gerson Therapy videos also and visit www.gerson.org/g_therapy/default.asp

Hippocrates Health Institute - The Hallmark or TLC cable channel had a recent program, "Crazy Sexy Cancer" about a young woman with an incurable as well as rare cancer who had little time to live. She went to the Hippocrates Health center, was not only cured but met her man and married at the end of the show. Read some at tlc.discovery.com... and also visit www.hippocratesinst.com

There is also the Creative Health Institute (CHI) in Michigan doing wonderful things with natures best tools. See: creativehealthinstitute.com

More is out there. Many cures exist but all go back to food. You are what you eat and your body will let you know it. Until we raise the quality of what we have available, rid the world of genetically modified and reign in the FDA, people will keep succumbing to dreadful diseases.

Checkout www.rawfamily.com. Victoria Boutenko and family migrated from Russia. The whole family is living examples of what food can do to or for you. The choice is yours. I personally have been switching to raw foods. What a difference! The biggest problem is to get good foods to work with. We need to rid America of the corporate farms that get all the tax subsidies and get back to the small farmer and healthy food.