NASA UFO STS-120 External Fuel Tank

Having looked at all the films in more detail this morning, I think the STS-120 crystal-like structure is ice and the 'shadow' is actually more ice (there's another smaller piece just above it as well). @ wierdalienshiznit, on the STS-121 video there are some very similar pieces to the -120 object at 1m00. I think it's too similar to the -120 image (including the multiple pieces that others have assumed is a shadow) to ignore. Whilst ice would melt on re-entry, I think the ice and booster might be higher than they look from these films.

The object from the STS-115 video is genuinely interesting and not explained (in my mind anyway) as of yet.

Originally posted by Veritas76
Having looked at all the films in more detail this morning, I think the STS-120 crystal-like structure is ice and the 'shadow' is actually more ice (there's another smaller piece just above it as well). @ wierdalienshiznit, on the STS-121 video there are some very similar pieces to the -120 object at 1m00. I think it's too similar to the -120 image (including the multiple pieces that others have assumed is a shadow) to ignore. Whilst ice would melt on re-entry, I think the ice and booster might be higher than they look from these films.

The object from the STS-115 video is genuinely interesting and not explained (in my mind anyway) as of yet.

it is a shadow.

if you watch it in slow motion,it moves at the same speed and direction as the object.You can see the shadow projecting along the cloud.

i agree,the booster and object are much higher than cloud level....ile say it again,those clouds are not natural and are caused by strong electro static fields.

this is the only thread you have ever posted on,like most of the "critics".

may i enquire as to why you believe the sts-115 incident holds so much promise?.

harvard?.

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I was really intrigued by the video in the OP. I'd never seen anything like it. I was always of the mind of "ice chunk" but it was such an unusual shape I was waiting in the ATS Investigative Team to work it out.

Excellent find by Veritas76 for the STS-121 video video showing the exact same type of ice formations as seen in the OP video. You deserve applause for that.

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
I was really intrigued by the video in the OP. I'd never seen anything like it. I was always of the mind of "ice chunk" but it was such an unusual shape I was waiting in the ATS Investigative Team to work it out.

Excellent find by Veritas76 for the STS-121 video video showing the exact same type of ice formations as seen in the OP video. You deserve applause for that.

the sts-121 video shows an ice formation in orbit,it is never anywhere near the fuel tank, which will always be falling faster than ice formation as it has less air resistance.

how can a fuel tank re encounter an object it is falling faster than?

given the fact that in the sts 120 video, a period of 2.30 min had elapsed before the fuel tank can re encounters the object.and some time had passed prior to the filming,this fact is even more poignant.


consider these equations

www.batesville.k12.in.us...

www.grc.nasa.gov...

after seven seconds of falling to earth the an object would have a velocity 70 m per second.

the equations for factoring in air resistance are complicated ,however they do not reduce the speed significantly.a person with his arms and legs outstretch will have reached 52 m per seconds after 7 seconds.this object appears of a comparable shape.

given that terminal velocity for a human with arms and legs stretched out is 82 m per second.

given the temperature of the thermosphere
apollo.lsc.vsc.edu...

and the fact at least 3 mins had elapsed before we see the "ice" re encounter
.
do you believe its possible the ice to survive/re encounter the fuel tank????.




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@ wierdalienshiznit, I disagree, the -120 'shadow' does not move in the same way as the main object. As for the -115 object, it has a more regular structure and all of the ice we have seen form long, thin shapes very different to the triangular shape in the -115 video. Perhaps I would have been more accurate to say it didn't look like ice.

As for how many posts I've made, I have posted on a couple of other threads when I first joined - which as my profile shows was a couple of years ago (yours is a few days old). I'm not a critic - I do believe that there are many unexplained instances out there - but I think you're working too hard to make -120 into something. I only contribute when I have something to say - the best kind, I think.

I also believe that critics are vital - you're right, proof of UFOs won't be easy, and it takes a range of attitudes and beliefs as well as expertise to examine any claim until it can be explained - or not.

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People seem to be assuming these funny looking ice chunks are related to the external tank. They are not. As explained in the STS-121 video, these unusual ice forms are created on the outside of the shuttle main thruster nozzles which are cooled by liquid hydrogen.

Since the ice came from the shuttle it means the ice in the video is closer to the shuttle than the external tank. Therefore, any relative movement between the objects in the video is due to parallax caused by the different object distances from the camera.

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
People seem to be assuming these funny looking ice chunks are related to the external tank. They are not. As explained in the STS-121 video, these unusual ice forms are created on the outside of the shuttle main thruster nozzles which are cooled by liquid hydrogen.

Since the ice came from the shuttle it means the ice in the video is closer to the shuttle than the external tank. Therefore, any relative movement between the objects in the video is due to parallax caused by the different object distances from the camera.

i never assumed that,i actually dedicated a whole post to ice formation upon the fuel nozzle of the main shuttle engine.

what i refer to is that the object and the fuel tank would
have started their descent to earth in comparable time frames, if this encounter were to be possible.

consider the dimensions of the fuel tank- 153.8 x 27.6 ft

freeze at 2.25.

you may notice both the object and the fuel tank are of similar small size from this distance.

the the camera ZOOMS in.

both objects are scaled up by a SIMILAR amount.

if the "ice" were CLOSE to the camera,THE ICE SHOULD BE ALOT LARGER when the ZOOM takes place, and fill up half the screen.

when the zoom takes place, it would also be impossible to fit movements of the fuel tank and object relative to each other into the same screen, if the ice was so much closer to the camera.


parallax is not in occurance.

shadow?.

Originally posted by wierdalienshiznit
what i refer to is that the object and the fuel tank would
have started their descent to earth in comparable time frames, if this encounter were to be possible.

The ice just happened to be between the camera and the tank. This doesn't mean they are near each other. The notion that the ice is descending to Earth is an assumption on your part.

you may notice both the object and the fuel tank are of similar small size from this distance.

the the camera ZOOMS in.

both objects are scaled up by a SIMILAR amount.

And this surprises you?

if the "ice" were CLOSE to the camera,THE ICE SHOULD BE ALOT LARGER when the ZOOM takes place, and fill up half the screen.

I didn't say close. I said closer.

parallax is not in occurance.

The video says otherwise. It's clearly a case of a nearer object moving through the shot of a more distant object.

shadow?.

As has already been pointed out to you, there is no shadow. It is another piece of ice.

Here. Watch this video. At 1:40 you'll be treated to a similar "UFO".

Originally posted by IAttackPeople

Originally posted by wierdalienshiznit
what i refer to is that the object and the fuel tank would
have started their descent to earth in comparable time frames, if this encounter were to be possible.

The ice just happened to be between the camera and the tank. This doesn't mean they are near each other. The notion that the ice is descending to Earth is an assumption on your part.

you may notice both the object and the fuel tank are of similar small size from this distance.

the the camera ZOOMS in.

both objects are scaled up by a SIMILAR amount.

And this surprises you?

if the "ice" were CLOSE to the camera,THE ICE SHOULD BE ALOT LARGER when the ZOOM takes place, and fill up half the screen.

I didn't say close. I said closer.

parallax is not in occurance.

The video says otherwise. It's clearly a case of a nearer object moving through the shot of a more distant object.

shadow?.

As has already been pointed out to you, there is no shadow. It is another piece of ice.

Here. Watch this video. At 1:40 you'll be treated to a similar "UFO".

you obviously havnt understood my post, used a camera before,or know anything about them or perspective.

the closer an object is,there more it is magnified by the the zoom function.since both the objects are increased by the same RATIO upon the zoom,they are at a similar distance.


i can see no such ice at 1.40.there are only stationary clouds.

that shadow is black,ice is not black.

observe 2.32 - 2.34 min in slow motion.

www.liveleak.com...

the object PASSES BEHIND A CLOUD.

i see absolutely nothing unusual in this video....remember the speed at which things are moving as well as differences in pressure/light/sub-zero temperatures and a super-heated metal object bouncing into the upper atmosphere and all that...conclusion: nothing of an alien origin IMO.

think before jumping to the alien theory...isn't that getting kinda cold now? the whole basis of an alien hypothesis based on zero? Just as the nations of the world have no where to hide anymore...wouldn't the same apply to anything of an unearthly origin? Pre-satelluite i MAY have entertained any thoughts on extraterrestrials...but nowadays, its as real as Grendel form the Beowulf epic.

How come the EXACT same thing happened on STS115 too? What the odds some random chunk of ice did that on 2 different missions. The odds are staggering...

Originally posted by blueyedevil666
i see absolutely nothing unusual in this video....remember the speed at which things are moving as well as differences in pressure/light/sub-zero temperatures and a super-heated metal object bouncing into the upper atmosphere and all that...conclusion: nothing of an alien origin IMO.

think before jumping to the alien theory...isn't that getting kinda cold now? the whole basis of an alien hypothesis based on zero? Just as the nations of the world have no where to hide anymore...wouldn't the same apply to anything of an unearthly origin? Pre-satelluite i MAY have entertained any thoughts on extraterrestrials...but nowadays, its as real as Grendel form the Beowulf epic.

Looks, walks and talks like a Duck, Holy crap, it must be a duck.


Ive looked over the videos, and I believe it is Ice. I believe it is much closer to the Camera than the tank. I believe the Shadow, is not from the Ice, but from something else. For one, you have no perspective as to where the shadow should be from the source of lite. Therefore, you cannot say blankly, its from the Ice object, just because you want it to be. I have looked at it several times, and I still say that shadow is not from the same object.

The Ice being between the Tank and the Shuttle can explain some of its odd movements, or percieved movements, paralaxing comes to mind.

It doesnt move under any clouds that I can tell. It looks exactly like the Ice particles off the earlier posted video.

It walks, talks and looks like Ice.

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Good Observations...

In addition, I think that you're a HOTTIE

Originally posted by blueyedevil666
i see absolutely nothing unusual in this video....remember the speed at which things are moving as well as differences in pressure/light/sub-zero temperatures and a super-heated metal object bouncing into the upper atmosphere and all that...conclusion: nothing of an alien origin IMO.

think before jumping to the alien theory...isn't that getting kinda cold now? the whole basis of an alien hypothesis based on zero? Just as the nations of the world have no where to hide anymore...wouldn't the same apply to anything of an unearthly origin? Pre-satelluite i MAY have entertained any thoughts on extraterrestrials...but nowadays, its as real as Grendel form the Beowulf epic.

you have not the knowledge to discern this object.

you havnt read the thread.

im glad someone finally mentioned pressure in the upper atmosphere.

observe the low pressure in the upper atmosphere,

apollo.lsc.vsc.edu...

and the affect of pressure on air resistance
www.newton.dep.anl.gov...

there is not enough air pressure in the upper atmosphere to account for the objects shown air resistance.

so either,it has its own method of propulsion,or its lower in the atmosphere.

arcnaver.-i already addressed the parallax issue in a previous post.

remember,those clouds are 100km below the shuttle,that would mean you are saying there happens to be a truely MASSIVE object floating about in the atmosphere in the same speed and direction as the "ice".that itself would raise a world of questions.

i know where you served,i know who you serve.

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i would like people to watch the whole video,then focus upon 1.50 min - 2.00 min

www.liveleak.com...

you will notice if you pause at 1.55 min,you will see clouds that are impossible to form naturally..

you will see the astronaut focus the camera upon these clouds.he then focuses on the natural cloud layer below before pulling the viewpoint inside the shuttle.

at 2.04 min he then very briefly recaptures an external view of the natural layer of clouds before again pulling the view away.

it is poignant that we then have a long break in the view,and the next time he pulls the view to outside the shuttle,the "object" is there.

you will not see the astronaut focus on any other cloud/pull the camera off the fuel tank in the entirety of this or any other descent video of the fuel tank.

heres some more about clouds.

www.srh.noaa.gov...

this is it.

Hi All,

Im a man of very few words, so ill keep this short. After watching this video several times, i cant decide wether its some advanced alien drone or a piece of some seriously cool ice (no pun intended).

However, after catching a glimpse of the shadow i noticed the object casting it. A small orb apparently in the lower atmosphere. Im working just now so im unable to fire up photoshop.

Can someone quickly check out the object appearing at 2:37 - 2:39 on the right hand side. Take a frame of reference from this screenshot. Small orb half way up right hand side. When watching the video it appears to be moving to me and cant be explained away as more ice. Lets put bets on a "space junk" answer.

Anyway time to get back to work.

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Just expressing my opinion. The paralaxing I was thinking was between shuttle, Ice and Tank, not the Clouds. You have interesting observations and entertaining, I just dont agree is all.

On a side note, since we are talking shuttle missions here, does anyone know the frequencies they use, for public and secure transmissions?

Originally posted by arcnaver
for public and secure transmissions?

Oh yeah put me down for those secure ones.... Any hams out there tried 'tuning in"?

As to public go to Kennedy Space Center all kinds of live feeds, even have cameras in the assembly building...

Not all are on all the time

science.ksc.nasa.gov...