NASA UFO STS-120 External Fuel Tank

Originally posted by wierdalienshiznit 29 secs-its a cloud
www.youtube.com...

by encounters i mean the two separate videos,which are two different incidents
heres the other one, www.liveleak.com...


you have a motive.

My only motive is the truth.

My original posts were in reference to the original Thread topic of the Tank video of STS-120. If your arguments against mine was in reference to 115 than were not even arguing about the same subject matter which is a waste of everyone's time.

You cannot possibly break down a video and make arguments unless you specifically cite which video your talking about one at a time. No, that doesn't mean we can't talk about both, but lets at least be clear about which one were talking about.

I Know there is very much more out there than we are aware of, but we must distinguish between explainable & unexplainable. Otherwise the good stuff gets buried under crap.

I'll take another look at the STS-115 footage, and maybe comment more if I find something else.

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oh wow....did you see the low atmosphere object at the .24-26 second mark? its lower left of the fuel tank and haulin butt

Originally posted by verylowfrequency

Originally posted by wierdalienshiznit 29 secs-its a cloud
www.youtube.com...

by encounters i mean the two separate videos,which are two different incidents
heres the other one, www.liveleak.com...


you have a motive.

My only motive is the truth.

My original posts were in reference to the original Thread topic of the Tank video of STS-120. If your arguments against mine was in reference to 115 than were not even arguing about the same subject matter which is a waste of everyone's time.

You cannot possibly break down a video and make arguments unless you specifically cite which video your talking about one at a time. No, that doesn't mean we can't talk about both, but lets at least be clear about which one were talking about.

I Know there is very much more out there than we are aware of, but we must distinguish between explainable & unexplainable. Otherwise the good stuff gets buried under crap.

I'll take another look at the sts-115 footage, and maybe comment more if I find something else.

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i just find you a bit suspiscious,you dont seem like the type who would wander on to these forums...
AMES?
i make it very clear i am talking about two seperate incidents on different videos in earlier posts.

i re itterate

if you think it doesnt pass below a cloud....

the object cast a shadow upon a cloud;

either that object is CLOSE enough to that cloud to cast a shadow,thus my assertions are true.

OR

that object is much HIGHER up and is MASSIVE enough to cast SHADOWS on the clouds with a MAX height of 20km,my assertions also true.

OR

the clouds are higher up than they can possibly be.




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From www.nasa.gov...

Here's a video with commentary that talks about and shows close-ups of the ice - amazing footage.

"Retreating Tank and Ice
This video, captured by STS-121 Mission Specialist Mike Fossum, reveals the shuttle's external tank and a piece of ice falling back toward Earth's atmosphere after tank separation.
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Originally posted by Veritas76
From www.nasa.gov...

Here's a video with commentary that talks about and shows close-ups of the ice - amazing footage.

"Retreating Tank and Ice
This video, captured by STS-121 Mission Specialist Mike Fossum, reveals the shuttle's external tank and a piece of ice falling back toward Earth's atmosphere after tank separation.
+ View Video (Real)
+ View Video (Windows)"

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This incident occurs on missions sts-115, and sts-120, nit sts 121.

It cannot be ice,for the reasons stated above.

what do you people want?,here we have completely unexplainable footage,yet you seem to be more interested in worthless speculative threads that are only about entertainment surrounding the phenomenon of ufos.

do you expect a video of a ufo from 10 meters away?,do you wont film of an alien walking?......

im sorry that aint gonna happen,GET REAL,get serious,ufo study should be a science not about worthless entertainment.

nowone can explain the object ,every critic has fallen on their sword.

here is a video of the fuel tank being mated to the solid rocket boosters.

video.google.com...

you may appreciate the size of the fuel tank,thus the size of the ufo it is encountering on missions sts- 115 and sts- 120

also here is the link to the nasa website containnig high def footage of the launch-

www.nasa.gov...

and shuttle being mated to external tank.

video.google.co.uk...
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more

video.google.co.uk...

so if the ufo is interacting with clouds 80 km below where the camera footage was filmed.....

the ufos must be huge or the clouds arnt natural.

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Now here is the video of shuttle- tank separation.

video.aol.com...



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Thought I would add this to the mix...

During on-orbit operations, the flight crew vacuum inerts the MPS by opening the liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen fill and drain valves, which allows the remaining propellants to be vented to space.

Source

This is the flight crew dumping excess fuels still onboard the orbiter after ET separation. I would say that this process would occur after some distance is placed between the orbitor and the ET after separation to minimize interaction of fuels with either the ET or orbitor for safety reasons. It is not mentioned what the quantities are that are expelled. It is also not clear as to what the appearance of these expelled liquid fuels would have after being ejected into space.

Maybe, maybe not.

Originally posted by Lost_Mind
Thought I would add this to the mix...

During on-orbit operations, the flight crew vacuum inerts the MPS by opening the liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen fill and drain valves, which allows the remaining propellants to be vented to space.

Source

This is the flight crew dumping excess fuels still onboard the orbiter after ET separation. I would say that this process would occur after some distance is placed between the orbitor and the ET after separation to minimize interaction of fuels with either the ET or orbitor for safety reasons. It is not mentioned what the quantities are that are expelled. It is also not clear as to what the appearance of these expelled liquid fuels would have after being ejected into space.

Maybe, maybe not.

do you believe the expelled fuels would stay in a solid state long enough to survive re entry and either cast a shadow upon a cloud that is observable from 80 km above(not to mention would it be large Enough?) ,or pass under the cloud in sts 115?.

consider the differing air resistance of the fuel tank and object,which results in the fuel tank falling much faster than the object-=

=-wouldnt the fuel tank have already over taken the object by the time it is able to cast such a shadow upon a cloud?

i believe you can see the excess gasses being ejected on -0.31 secs.
video.aol.com...


it is hardly noticeable from close range.....80 km? no way.

remember clouds CANT form outside of the troposphere -a MAX height of 20km,
and the footage is from orbit- MIN 100 km



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You are assuming that I see these things as you do, and I do not. I see the object/material in the last launch sequence as between the orbiter and ET and do not see any shadow of it in the cloud tops. If that was true we would also see a shadow in the shape of the ET as well and we dont. I do not see it as larger than the ET but much smaller and closer to the POV than you see it. I do see another piece of what may be the same material further to the right of it, just barely in view for a few seconds. Maybe our PC monitors are so different in resolution and clarity we cant see what the other is seeing.

I will, however, not go out of my way into the realm of wild speculation to explain what is probably dumped fuel as something extraordinary without some physical proof. To me, fuel it is until a more reasonble set of evidences are provided to explain it as otherwise.

Originally posted by Lost_Mind
reply to post by wierdalienshiznit

 

You are assuming that I see these things as you do, and I do not. I see the object/material in the last launch sequence as between the orbiter and ET and do not see any shadow of it in the cloud tops. If that was true we would also see a shadow in the shape of the ET as well and we dont. I do not see it as larger than the ET but much smaller and closer to the POV than you see it. I do see another piece of what may be the same material further to the right of it, just barely in view for a few seconds. Maybe our PC monitors are so different in resolution and clarity we cant see what the other is seeing.

I will, however, not go out of my way into the realm of wild speculation to explain what is probably dumped fuel as something extraordinary without some physical proof. To me, fuel it is until a more reasonble set of evidences are provided to explain it as otherwise.

2.38-2.39 bottom right hand corner.
www.liveleak.com...

the object clearly casts a cloud.

to say so otherwise is foolish.

must go,i will be back.


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THis is some what interesting as we dont usualy get to see such clear footage of an anominaly in space these day's, about 1:20 into the video you can see a small white object that appears to move like a ufo and quite fast and is a very common in other STS video's, and the large white object...well that is mystyrios i must say, i am well knowleged in in the ufo and NASA secrecey, i remember watching a video on space creatur's " as immature as it sound's" but there also known as serpents of the sky" i believe this maybe one of them. but i cant seem to see this crystal struture that some one was talking about, im not accusing them of being dillusional ofcorse i just watched the video several time's and cant see it.
I whould like to know how this footage was leaked? do they have like a live feed or something? and if so why would they risk it? some body please fll me in on some of this as i would be more then keen to research and delv deeper into this current matter...i must say"i realy wish i was an Astronaught" i would give you guys so much when ever it where possable. Juggaloco...

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Originally posted by Veritas76
From www.nasa.gov...

Here's a video with commentary that talks about and shows close-ups of the ice - amazing footage.

"Retreating Tank and Ice
This video, captured by STS-121 Mission Specialist Mike Fossum, reveals the shuttle's external tank and a piece of ice falling back toward Earth's atmosphere after tank separation.
+ View Video (Real)
+ View Video (Windows)"

A fool I humbly admit to being but I am a little less ignorant after watching this video - slam dunk IMO.

A fool I humbly admit to being but I am a little less ignorant after watching this video - slam dunk IMO.

slam dunk?,hardly.

do you think ice formations caused by cooling the nozzle could survive re entry long enough to cast a cloud shadow that is observable via a hand held cam 80 km above?.

take a look at the thermosphere

apollo.lsc.vsc.edu...
Considering water melts at 0 celcius

.....it WOULD NOT MAKE IT ANYWHERE NEAR THROUGH.

the footage you mentioned is from sts 121,and shows the ice formation high above the atmosphere,that is why the back ground is all so dark
THE ICE IS STILL IN ORBIT,
not once do we see the fuel tank in the same profiles the ice formation,why? because the fuel tank has already fallen with a faster velocity than the ice.
=
rendering a future encounter lower in the atmosphere impossible..


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Does anyone realize there could have been easily 2, not just 1 UFO in the LiveLeak vid? At about 2:39, there is another object in the bottom right corner that appears only a brief time, and the camera moves away from the shot rather quickly. Not sure if you guys already talked about this part or not.
The object only looks like a small wing, limb or something. It could be nothing though, I just thought that part was a little intriguing.

the astronaut in the video regarding ice formations,
he claimed the ice is formed around the main shuttle engines by the liquid nitrogen and oxygen fuel passing through nozzle, cooling the metal enough for a frost to form.

consider this information...

the main space shuttle engines have a diamater of 1. 63 m
www.astronautix.com...

together they look like this
content.answers.com...

do you see any ice formation that could form upon the engines ,that would have a size great enough to survive re entry and cast a cloud shadow observable from orbit?.

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watch and listen to the audio,specifically- 20 secs -32 secs

www.liveleak.com...

sound familiar?

Remember the mission with the tumbling "object" was travelling through stellar space,not in orbit.

[edit on 4-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]

Originally posted by wierdalienshiznit
do you expect a video of a ufo from 10 meters away?,do you wont film of an alien walking?......
im sorry that aint gonna happen

Why isn't it going to happen? Why can't it? Is there something inherent in alien UFOs that they can only manifest themselves a smeary little blobs of light seen from a distance?

We're not talking about the possibility of getting high-definition footage of Jesus preaching or JFK being shot. If these alien UFO things truly exist, and are apparently seen on practically every Shuttle mission, than it's only reasonable to expect that eventually, and maybe even soon, we should get clear, unambigious images of them. That is, if they really are alien UFOs and not... oh, I don't know... little chunks of ice or something. And until those nice, clear images show up, I don't think adopting a "wait and see" attitude is too out of line. I mean, no sense jumping the gun here, right?

But, hey. Maybe you know more about aliens than I do and know a real good reason why they won't ever be photographed up close and clear. I can't think of any right off the top of my head.

Originally posted by juggaloco
i am well knowleged in in the ufo and NASA secrecey, i remember watching a video on space creatur's " as immature as it sound's" but there also known as serpents of the sky" i believe this maybe one of them.

You know that people who claim to astral travel often describe their out-of-body forms as small balls of glowing light? So these things, little balls of energy seen against a space background, and glowing because of an interaction with space radiation, could very well be someone's astral body.

That is to say, them being astral bodies is just as plausible as them being alien spacecraft, since an equal amount of evidence exists to "prove" both notions.

"Why isn't it going to happen? Why can't it? Is there something inherent in alien UFOs that they can only manifest themselves a smeary little blobs of light seen from a distance?

We're not talking about the possibility of getting high-definition footage of Jesus preaching or JFK being shot. If these alien UFO things truly exist, and are apparently seen on practically every Shuttle mission, than it's only reasonable to expect that eventually, and maybe even soon, we should get clear, unambigious images of them. That is, if they really are alien UFOs and not... oh, I don't know... little chunks of ice or something. And until those nice, clear images show up, I don't think adopting a "wait and see" attitude is too out of line. I mean, no sense jumping the gun here, right?

But, hey. Maybe you know more about aliens than I do and know a real good reason why they won't ever be photographed up close and clear. I can't think of any right off the top of my head."


my post wont "quote function" the right post,if you know what i mean.

if a species has acquired the technology to travel interstellar distances, that would mean those alien species would have also acquired the technological capabilities to render themselves observable only if they desire to be observed.



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