NASA UFO STS-120 External Fuel Tank

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by uberarcanist
and I actually half-agree with zorgon on the following point: does NASA even make stuff that looks like that?

As to the altitude... it has to still be high as there is no sign of the booster heating up or burning up yet. Same with the 'ice' Its clearly still sharply defined.. no signs of melting

consider my earlier remark that the object reminded me of a documentary of an experiment involving electrostatic levitation.

Electro static fields cause clouds!.

why would rand corp be researching electro statics in cloud formation?
outstinet.dtic.mil...

There have been many sightings of ufos over the rings of saturn,perhaps they are recharging??!!
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Originally posted by zorgon

As to the altitude... it has to still be high as there is no sign of the booster heating up or burning up yet. Same with the 'ice' Its clearly still sharply defined.. no signs of melting

Except that in order for a tank of that mass to disintegrate completely, it'd have to be jettisoned on a trajectory that would ensure maximum exposure to the friction forces created by it's increasing velocity/acceleration through the atmosphere, which would take time.
Which makes sense if you think about the shuttle. It leaves the earth with the same velocity vector of the earth, but with an increased "up" direction, which means that relative to a person standing on Earth, the rocket is going straight up, because it's relative frame of motion is that of the earth's. It's only thrust is in the up (or 'Y') direction.
If you're outside of the Earth's reference frame, however, the shuttle is flung at an angle (theta) from it's launch point, giving it an X direction component as well.

What I'm trying to get at is that if the tank is dropped just before the shuttle leaves the earth's grav pull, it has both the Y direction vector of the initial acceleration of the shuttle, and only a fraction of the "fling" of the X component. This means it is still caught in the earth's grav. pull, but is spun in such a manner that it falls in a slow manner, which slows decent and increases friction.

OK I may be wrong here, but i'm posting it anyway.

The crystal looking object is clearly casting a shadow on the clouds and the external tank isn't. That puts the tank above the crystal object right?

At what height would an object have to be at to cast a shadow on those clouds below it?

The crystal object would have to be within the atmosphere in order to cast that shadow right? The tank doesn't look as if it's started to burn up yet which would mean it's still outside the atmosphere right?

What I'm trying to get at is that crystal object would much bigger than the tank. I doubt there's any kind of space debris that huge. If it's a chunk of ice where and how did it form in space?

I mean you see it come into view very fast then it looks like it speeds down to match the speed of the tank. I don't see ice doing that. Then you have the cameraman moving the camera away pretty quickly when you start to see stuff come into view. You can't ignore how the cameraman did that.

You also hear the girl stop talking when the object comes into view liek it took her by surprise. Go watch the tether incident video and you hear that same thing. There's also another video where a woman is speaking and trying to find the ISS, but she can't cuz there's a mass amount of objects flying everywhere

Sorry, but you can't ignore stuff like this and everyone shouting "OH it's just ice. Nothing to see here" prove that. Until you do, it's considered a UFO. That doesn't mean it's alien, just an object that's unidentified.

I liked the few that said it's a piece of the tank that came off. Nothing on the tank looks remotely like that thing.

I liked the few that said it's a piece of the tank that came off. Nothing on the tank looks remotely like that thing.

I would love to see a complete graphic of the system that holds the booster tank to the shuttle. There would be absolutely no reason NOT to eject that system along with the booster.
Any extraneous equipment causes the possibility of burn up on entry to exponentially increase, look at the little tile flap that exploded the shuttle a few years ago.
something must hold the booster on and that something must be big to withstand the force of thrust. I'd bet everything I have (except my smelly dog) that whatever it is, doesn't come back with the ship.

Originally posted by angst18

I liked the few that said it's a piece of the tank that came off. Nothing on the tank looks remotely like that thing.

I would love to see a complete graphic of the system that holds the booster tank to the shuttle. There would be absolutely no reason NOT to eject that system along with the booster.
Any extraneous equipment causes the possibility of burn up on entry to exponentially increase, look at the little tile flap that exploded the shuttle a few years ago.
something must hold the booster on and that something must be big to withstand the force of thrust. I'd bet everything I have (except my smelly dog) that whatever it is, doesn't come back with the ship.

the sharp edges of the object could cause a danger to the shuttle it were used as a connection point dont you think?

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these are the connection points,it is connected not by any large module but a rivet system.
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www.gasolinealleyantiques.com...
grin.hq.nasa.gov...

we have it rule it out,however...
could it be anything to do with the solid rocket boosters?

its not from the boosters either,hmmmmmmmmmmmm
spaceyideas.com...
science.ksc.nasa.gov...

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That looks to me we got ourselves a UFO - Unidentified Frosty Object


Which means it's an ice crystal. Sorry but's that just it. No other explanation.
Just your ho humm mundane ice crystal tumbling in space.

Even the commentator acknowledges it. So this is nothing extraordinary. I don't see what are you guys so excited to seeing this boring video. The fuel tank is much more interesting I would say. You gotta love space age technology.

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Here's video of STS-115 taking off. It was shot from a camera on the external tank.



At 1:47 the small boosters detach. You don't see any huge debris anywhere.

At 2:08 it jumps further ahead into the launch, but you can see how much further ahead they are because you see more of Earth in the background.

At 2:17 the shuttle detaches from the external tank. No large ice chunks or anything seen anywhere and you can clearly make out what's holding th shuttle to the tank. It actually looks like nothing much attaches the shuttle to the tank and nothing comes off the tank when the shuttle detaches

I don't know how much higher they are from the time the small boosters detach to the time the external tank detaches, but I don't think you'd see the small boosters anywhere from the shuttle.

Also I want to bring up again that the crystal object has to be huge, possibly bigger than the tank itself. It casts a shadow on clouds and the tank doesn't. Which puts the object under the tank and look how big it is then. Side by side that would make it bigger than the tank. How would a piece of ice that big form on that tank (or the shuttle) and come off without at least punturing the tank (or the shuttle) somewhere?

They said a small chunk of foam busted a hole in the shuttles wing. Imagine what a piece of ice the same size as that piece of foam would do.

Just a simple search of "NASA UFO" in LiveLeak is all it takes. I don't know how you can refute those 3-4 videos of ufos in space. Ok, UFOs are real, next.

It has to be some sort of an accumulated and amassed residual liquid propellant from the fuel tank that has been frozen up to a crystalline structure. Sub-space is cold and there is no atmospehric disturbances what-so-ever.

So it is seems natural that an ice crystal structure would become that huge given nothing can disturb it and you also you have to take into account that microgravity would not affect the integrity of such a ]fragile structure.

Also you have to consider if NASA was covering up stuff for the past 50-60 years would you think the confirmation that leads to the disclosure of the existence of ETs or space critters would be released to the public?

Unless this is nothing out of the ordinary and there is no coverup what-so-ever. Which is what this is all about. Nothing.

You know how a forum dedicated to revealing reptilian politcians, doomsday prediction and fake ufo hoaxes would do to a 'normal person?'

This is just one of the effects of watching too much 'Secret Space', 'The 'Disclosure Project', 'Out of the Blue' and 'Sightings' would do to a normal logical thinking of a human being.

There is nothing to be excited about...





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This is my very first post. Have been reading for a VERY long time.

I watched this footage over and over and I for some reason am seeing something a little different that no one has mentioned so far.

If you watch the video from this link:

spaceflight.nasa.gov...

And stop it at exactly 28 seconds you can see that the object is NOT crystal, ice, trident, or lightening shaped. This object is actually triangular shaped and possibly reflecting light making it appear oddly shaped.

Most of the object seems to be almost transparent until at the 28 second mark on the footage where the sunlight and clouds reflect the true shape.

Yes and there are like 4 more videos on LiveLeak that clearly show UFOs in space, meteors and debris as well as their famous ice crystals, do NOT change direction and speed up and down. Also look at the video of the audio recording the the astronauts talking about craft they see it goes back to the 60's even. People use the terms "smoking gun" or "proof", this really is though, I don't think NASA is even going to try and hide this anymore.

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I do want to clarify that I believe in UFOs, do believe that there's gov't coverup, do believe that an ET craft crashed at Roswell, etc. but at the same time I believe in a high burden of proof and this video doesn't meet it.

Ummm the only thing about the crystal like object that disturbed me was that it seemed to be spinning uniformly. Could it be possible that the crystal like object was some type of debree sent out when the tank detacted?

I think that the little orbs really are ice, only if the shuttle was in the mesosphere. That large thing just seem wierd, really hard to know what it is, but still seems like ice to me.


Yall my theory that it's ice from the tank.

www.nasa.gov...

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A giant ice crystal? A few hundred feet in diameter??

Even if that was true, ya'd think Nasa would mention it during their commentary, I mean I have never seen any reports of such a phenominon in space have you? It'd be a first, worthy of more examination..but no, nothing..which leads me to believe they would rather not go there..its something else.

I say if you dont like the thought of UFO's or anything like that ur in the wrong forum! Try www.space.com perhaps

Originally posted by omnicron
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That looks to me we got ourselves a UFO - Unidentified Frosty Object


Which means it's an ice crystal. Sorry but's that just it. No other explanation.
Just your ho humm mundane ice crystal tumbling in space.

Even the commentator acknowledges it. So this is nothing extraordinary. I don't see what are you guys so excited to seeing this boring video. The fuel tank is much more interesting I would say. You gotta love space age technology.

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yes, nasa should spend valuable time and resources discussing jetsam and various other debris everytime we launch a shuttle... its very important to those who see aliens in every particle of garbage floating around in orbit.

as if there was not enough foolishness holding nasa back from serious space exploration.

aliens have nothing better to do than fly around in orbit to watch a foam covered tin can fall back into the atmosphere... they came all the way from where for that?

The most entertaining stuff to read in this thread is the skeptics grasping at straws to try and explain this...

Wake up people. You know you're going to have to face reality at some point. UFO's have been here forever, and have been covered up since the 1940's.

Originally posted by Copernicus
Wake up people. You know you're going to have to face reality at some point. UFO's have been here forever, and have been covered up since the 1940's.

Yes ufo's have been here for along time. Here's one that's just coming out of TopSecret society.

Top Secret Stealth Jet Revealed ( Bird Of Prey )

There's the U-2 spy plane, SR-71 Blackbird, F-117 Nighthawk

Northrop Tacit Blue, UAV"s, Aurora, Blackstar, and alot more of them that we won't know about for a long time. Come on, give us humans more credit than that. ET's I haven't seen, but all those secret ufo's of our topsecret military just keep popping up.

It's gorilla marketing in space!



J/K!! It really never ceases to amaze me what we see on these videos. I really and truly hope something comes out of the guy that got fired from NASA claiming to have the dirt on NASA and it's not all just some marketing ploy to sell his book.

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Originally posted by omnicron
reply to post by ATS-38

 

That looks to me we got ourselves a UFO - Unidentified Frosty Object


Which means it's an ice crystal. Sorry but's that just it. No other explanation.
Just your ho humm mundane ice crystal tumbling in space.

Even the commentator acknowledges it. So this is nothing extraordinary. I don't see what are you guys so excited to seeing this boring video. The fuel tank is much more interesting I would say. You gotta love space age technology.

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have you read through the thread?

we have established it cant be ice,the re entry process would have melted itt.

Secondly we have establish via the aerodynamics of the the fuel tank and object that they could not have been from the same source:
the object shows a significantly higher degree of air resistance than the fuel tank,yet it is the fuel tank catching up and over taking the object which means they could not have entered "falling to earth" trajectory in anywhere near the same time frame.

if you understood aerodynamics and the laws of motion you would find the object much more interesting.

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