We must bomb Iran, says US Republican guru

Originally posted by SimiusDei
If Israel wants to attack Iran, I say let them and let them do it ON THEIR OWN.

There are reports that Washington will do an exchange with Israel. According to The Times, Israel will support the creation of a Palestinian State if America deals with Iran.

A Palestinian State would "bribe" other Arab nations not to protest, if a strike is carried out against the Iranian Republic.

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Thats some interesting news. Any reference for that?

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Will Bush really bomb Iran?

“The idea is to tie Palestine to Iran,” said an Israeli Middle East expert. “Israel will be obliged to accept the establishment of a Palestinian state within a short and firm timetable and the US administration will guarantee that the Iranian nuclear issue will be solved before Bush leaves office.”

Nothing we haven't seen or herd before. This cartoon shows what I think about all this 'let's bomb Iran' issue, and is worth more then words.

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Nice avatar and even nicer political cartoon. It's actually quite sad that the cartoon speaks the truth.


Jasn

The potential for bombing Iran's Nuclear Facility(s) is now becoming
very real. Unless the Democratic Congress can stop the President's
request, we'll soon have B-52's carrying the largest non-nuke bombs
ever built. I think Bush wants to be the one to claim that he stopped
Iran in it's tracks and not allow Hillary to get the credit.
See this Story hot off the press: money.cnn.com...
-cwm

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There's a difference between Republicans and Democrats? I didn't know that. I was certain that the democratic congress have done nothing they promised before "taking over" last November.


Jasn

ive been saying this for a while. take a look at the foreign policy advisors from the last few adminstrations..Reagan,BushI,Clinton,BushII, every single one is a member of neo-con groups PNAC,AIPAC,JINSA AEI etc. is it any wonder that our foreign policy is decidedly pro israel? also several of the folks running for president have foreign policy advisors that are neocons and members of these groups and have a pro war attitude just like the folks who talked bush into this current field trip into the desert.

Giuliani's foreign policy advisor is Norman Podhoretz, a very outspoken neocon promoting war with iran.
en.wikipedia.org...
John mccain hired PNAC member Randy Scheunemann as his foreign policy aide, also in Mccains team is Bruce Jackson who is also a PNAC member and he also worked on Bushes foreign policy team in the 2000 election campaign and he served on the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq and ironically worked for lockheed martin.. do you see what i mean? its the same guys behind the president(s) calling the shots, and they have an agenda, and it doesnt put americas interests first

and if you think a vote for a democrat will save us your mistaken..the lobby groups have both sides in their pocket
just look here www.youtube.com...

and this.. Hillary clinton
During a Hanukkah dinner speech delivered in December 2005, hosted by Yeshiva University, Clinton prattled, "I held a series of meetings with Israeli officials [last summer], including the prime minister and the foreign minister and the head of the [Israel Defense Forces], to discuss such challenges we confront. In each of these meetings, we talked at length about the dire threat posed by the potential of a nuclear-armed Iran, not only to Israel, but also to Europe and Russia."

obama and pelosi have vowed to protect israel as well. (perhaps this is why the democratic congress has done.... nothing?)
www.youtube.com...

ever notice that the "frontrunners" for president all pander to these lobby/thinktank groups? do they have a choice? if you oppose this kind of foreign policy you are a media blackout, ron paul for example.


The Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000 for the Washington, DC/Israel-based think tank. In 1996, the Study Group produced the report "A Clean Break": A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"
quotes from the report:
"Securing the Northern Border
Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which Americans can sympathize(how? we dont have this problem), would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah(done), Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon.

paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces. (who exactly are these "proxy" forces? US?)
striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper. "(done)

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power(done) in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.

Brian Whitaker reported in a 2002 article published in The Guardian that:

"With several of the "Clean Break" paper's authors now holding key positions in Washington, the plan for Israel to transcend its foes by reshaping the Middle East looks a good deal more achievable today than it did in 1996. Americans may even be persuaded to give up their lives to achieve it." (this was right before the iraq invasion)


Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000
members include:
Richard Perle, Member of AEI, Defense policy board, PNAC, JINSA, National Security Advisory Counsil, and interestingly the Iran Enterprise Institute.
James Colbert, JINSA
Douglas J. Feith, Feith and Zell Associates,undersecretary for defense
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, AEI
Meyrav Wurmser, Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI)


it is worthy of note that Perle, Wurmser, and Feith "helped set the Middle East strategy, including strong support for Ariel Sharon's hardline policies in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in the Bush II administration. Perle chaired the DOD's Defense Policy Board, Feith became undersecretary of defense for policy, and Wurmser became Vice President Dick Cheney's top Middle East adviser after leaving the State Department where he worked under Undersecretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton."

CIA director George Tenet said Douglas Feith was "a man eager to manipulate intelligence to push the country to war."

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson talking about Feith and Wurmser said," I often wondered if their primary allegiance was to their own country or to Israel. That was the thing that troubled me, because there was so much that they said and did that looked like it was more reflective of Israel’s interest than our own."

Feith has also been accused of giving classified documents to the israeli embassy. rawstory.com...
Ever notice classified documents never get sent to russia,china japan, its always israel... why?

Ok, just so we're clear, several members working for our government are members of a think tank group (several groups actually) that outline and promote US backed Israeli dominance and regime change in the middle east and also advise our leaders on middle east policy??? Is is reasonable to assume that any sort of "intel" they passed on about WMD's (or iran) were at the very least "cherry picked" to support the cause or agenda they have already put forth in writing?

mark my words, the next president will appoint members of these think tank/lobby groups to advise them on foreign policy/defense thereby not changing a thing.

maybe this is what osama meant when he said," there exists a government within the government of the United States"

In April of 2008 a surge of U.S. troops will be stationed in Isreal wating for anyone to attack them, and then it wont be long untill the bombs will start to fall on Iran. Gas prices will rise of course, but will soon level out again. This wont start WW3 , but will rise tensions in the midde east, which will remain untill WW3 does break out.

um is anyone else concerned that russia said they will nuke us if we nuke iran.

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The whole ordeal concerns me, I have children.

That being that, I personally feel that the whole lot of the current "fear mongers" (being Putin, Bush etc) are in this crap together. It's all about profits and power at the expense of innocent lives.


Jasn

War with Iran is to serve a number of purposes but the main one being that it will be used to reduce the US armed forces. It will be a bigger mess than Iraq but it will be the vehicle use by th NAU planners to defang the US military.

With the coming of the NAU there will be no need for such large forces as seen in the EU with the reducing in size of member states armed forces.

The bank rollers know this, they will use this conflict to hype up the cost of oil, America will be blamed for it all and that will be the premise used for the manipulation of the US into the NAU, its all going to plan and yes millions will probally die but that will all go to population reduction which is part of the plan as well, kill 3 birds with one stone.

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I do not recall anyone in the current administration stating publicly that the use of nuclear weapons has been authorized. I am certain however that there is a contigency for their use as there are with any possible conflict we are involved in. Also I do not recall President Putin declaring that Russia would retaliate with nuclear weapons as well. Do you have specific quotes or articles regarding your statements or are these speculative?

I remember the same talk when the U.S went in for Iraq. WWIII and the middle east as a whole will attack America blah blah blah ....

What happened?

ZERO! nothing, nada ....

America showed just how far infront they are when it comes to modern warfare.
I can see no reason why the Iranian conflict will be any different.
People seem to think (probably because it makes for scary stories) that the U.S couldn't handle the conflict. But that is so far from the truth.

The U.S and for that matter ANY armed forces will always have massive troubles when it comes to gorilla warfare. Its the nature of the beast. Hence why Iraq is such a mess.
But for flat out "shock and awe" there isn't an army on this planet that would even come close the the U.S for technological strategic warfare. They are the masters make no mistake about it.

Iran will fold like a deck of cards, much the same way as Iraq did. There will be no massive loss of life as everyone seems to think. Sure there will be casualties, especially on the Iranian side of the battle, but on a whole it will a clean sweep with technology taking a leading role instead of sheer man power like wars of old.

Warfare has changed SO much since WWII. Air power, missile and electronic technology is FAR beyond anything Iran possesses. The U.S spends SO much money on its military as a whole, that no country on the planet can compete. The U.S is WAY ahead of the rest and they know it!

I know it makes for exciting reading talking about how the U.S will struggle against (name countries here) but realistically the U.S could pretty much flatten Iran's military with minimal losses. Russia will protest sure, but other than that, nothing.

What's wrong with you people?! Don't you like the smell of depleted uranium in the morning?

Ah, yes, breathe deep.............

I don't get why some people keep saying Russia will retaliate when US attacks Iran.Now my opinion is that Russia WANTS US to attack Iran. In fact I think they rely on Americans to do the work for them.

Why do I think so? It's simple. Russia is NOT Iranian ally and they definitely DON't want Iran to develop nukes. After all, it looks like people forgot that Iran supported Chechen rebels in 90ties, but be sure that Russian political establishment didn't. So Iran is much bigger threat to Russia in long term than to US. USA can simply withdraw from middle east and start isolationist policy on other side of Earth, but Iran is just few hundred miles south of Russia and Russians know very well that nuclear Iran (that doesn't fear retaliation) might again start to support fundamentalists in southern Russia in future (let's say 15-20 years).

They reason why they keep supplying Iran with weapons and technologies is money and maybe influence, nothing else, and they rely on US (or Israel) that they would never allow nuclear Iran to happen Remember when it looked like that such strike on Iran by US is unlikely one year ago or so Russians immediately started to more cooperate with UN.

So the situation is - the Russian make maximum of current situation, both monetarily and politically, sometimes they publicly declare (in order to improve relations with muslim world) that they don't wish military solution but in fact they desire it. This is politics people, just a big game, they will never retaliate against US.

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I just cant figure out why we are waiting so long for? I mean its all in the news and we've been talking about bombing Iran since 2005. How much more warning do they need? We've placed 2 rounds of sanctions on them and are dragging our feet with the 3rd round. I hope the administraion isnt getting soft because now is not the time. Bomb Iran now!!!!!

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prince of peace indeed.



Jasn

Originally posted by SimiusDei


Yea, that's it! Let's rush right into World War III.
What the hell are we thinking in this country?

I have to agree with SimiusDei if we bomb them all were saying is yea bring on WW3 and when that happens here comes the draft the bull# and everything that comes with it. Im sorry but personally i dont want to be drafted I would much prefer to enjoy my life safely at home. So I say dont bomb them but at least try to neutralize their nuclear system for a bit just not wit a bomb for crist sake.

lol... it's fun to see people with absolutely no grasp of economics. I'm getting my masters in it at USC school of business right now and I will tell you one thing... It is commonly expressed by the economist community this country is on its way out. So what you all need to start doing.. much like we already are.. form a hedge fund and short sell the crap out of American businesses. Nothing like removing money from the working man while you stand on his back in a sinking ship. God bless capitalism.


Short sell american business + invest in far eastern commodities = success


Capitalism is my anti nationalism.