Drone Debunked

reply to post by planetfall


FWIW,

Many experts including David Biedny (Google this name) have examined these "witness images" and defined them as real photographs with CGI generated drones embeded on them and as such, declared them hoaxes.

I have also seen where other "experts" (I haven't been able to verify their credentials like we can Biedny's however) have declared them real photographs of real objects.

I guess it boils down to which expert you choose to believe combined with your own ability to look at the images and determine what you see.

There has been much good work done WRT to the impossible lack of shadow on one of the "witness images" that is irrefutable evidence of embedding or "magic".

Springer...

Originally posted by Springer

Many experts including David Biedny (Google this name) have examined these "witness images" and defined them as real photographs with CGI generated drones embeded on them and as such, declared them hoaxes.

I have also seen where other "experts" (I haven't been able to verify their credentials like we can Biedny's however) have declared them real photographs of real objects.

Experts can only provide opinions. Opinions, however educated, cannot be taken as evidence. For me they have a good entertainment value, nothing more.

Moreover, no expert has provided any detailed logical explanation and reasoning behind their views (Or did I miss any?). Different experts may disagree on same points and come to different conclusions.

It takes more than an expert opinion to reach any conclusion on the matter of CG.

Originally posted by pjslug
Well, I matched some of the converted Alienware text to one of the words on the primer graphics. The word comes out as "VMHRN". It is clear that the Alienware version does not translate to the Isaac primer graphics at all. Therefore, I conclude that Alienware took the idea from the Isaac images.

Hope that helps!

Sure it helps for those who still think alienware is the creator. Its blindingly obvious. I didn't bother to read the kiddish story they made up in alien language, but you'll agree that the quality of work in CARET document is a lot more superior then their cheap copy, whether its drone description or the diagrams.

reply to post by rocksolidbrain


Did you not read my whole post?

originally posted by Springer:

I guess it boils down to which expert you choose to believe combined with your own ability to look at the images and determine what you see.

By your logic in your post above, if several Harvard Graduate, Sloan Kettering employed Oncology Specialist, Medical Doctors told you that you had a life threatening cancer and a couple other MDs (at least they claim they are MDs) of undetermined pedigree and in a general practice disagreed with the fost lot, you'd consider that entertainment value?

OK then...

Springer...

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Owner, et al,

I don't trust experts...... especially in a court for example. If one finds one self in a court charged with a heinous crime it is very easy to find an expert for your defense and just as easy for the prosecution to find an expert for their side; each sides' "expert" will present their own logical rationalization of scientific mumbo-jumbo to totally baffle and astound their captive audience. The jury.

I don't trust expert opinions, because everyone has one.

I'm no expert in any one thing but I do have the solid capability for ratiocination. And I trust my self because over the years I have rarely been wrong in any "thing" I have analyzed.

I have over 15 years of CGI experiance in print, video and animation. I have created high resolution 3D structures for compositing with live and post video. The pictures in my opinion appear real.

I also have 12 years experience in large scale information systems design, network engineering, scientific research (assistant).

From a project management perspective I know exactly what it would take to produce this type of material and it is beyond the scope of one person to create. It would require a team of trained specialist. Not just to create the graphics but to research and create an entire "plausible" history for the hoax to cover all informational and timeline discrepencies. Just the research necessary to create the concept of the "primer" language pages would take considerable time. There are in fact several scientists that have theories for nano-robotic programming languages that approach the concept as described in the CARET documents.

Everything in the CARET data is plausible; it is just not provable- hoax or truth. Which if we apply the "razor" of logic would seem to indicate its truth as the simplest explanation; as all hoax theories have crumbled and been proven incorrect over time.

-Euclid

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First response from Alienware. seems a little evasive:

Dear Mr. Wright,

Thank you for contacting the Alienware Technical Support Team.

Unfortunately, we do not handle that information and we are not able to disclose that type of information either since it is considered confidential.

If you have more questions regarding this matter you may contact our headquarters from Monday - Friday, 9:00 A.M. - 6:00 P.M. EST, at 305-251-9797 and request to be transferred to the appropriate department.


Best regards,

Karen Espinosa
Electronic Support

Alienware Corporation
Phone: 305.287.6727
Fax: 786.388.5700
www.alienware.com



So I rephrased my question to:

Were the graphics used produced in-house or outsourced?

Thanks.

I'll post the follow up.

Planetfall, I got the same response when I asked them but didn't follow up after. Interested to see if they respond with any more information.

As for them being CG.....in my, humble yet accurate opinion, they are obviously CG...so obvious that, to me at least, debating the fact is insane.

Pretty much the gut feeling over at the Open Minds Forum is that its fake. They practically devoted themselves to the topic.

Biedny is of a stature I believe his opinion would be allowed in court. For now. One more generation of software and nobody will know if its live or Memorex.

The Drone photo's were a work of art. Clearly all done by the same person. It takes determination to fix the flaws pixel by pixel.

Regarding the emails - There is no legal or logical reason they could not answer your questions. In fact the opposite is usually true. The creators usually demand exposure. Something smells.

Too 1 1 Chill Dude. Your gonna have an attack.

**********Note - I forgot to differentiate between the Isaac Caret stuff and the other photos. The Isaac Caret photos are fake beyond argument. Classic radiosity render sans believable reflections.

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Respectfully, Jules Verne required no "team", nor did Tolkien, Rowling, etc. Take a look at cgsociety.org and you will find a host of artists requiring no more than their imagination and some basic 3d cg tools to create masterpiece movies, stills and complex story lines. Really, I'm surprised at someone with your claimed pedigree. As a digital artist, I see nothing compelling about the chad/raj/big basin photographs. In fact, in each of them, I can make out artifacts in the shadows which match radiosity rendering. The blotching is a dead giveaway, in my opinion.

For what it's worth...

reply to post by euclid

Originally posted by rwiggins
Respectfully, Jules Verne required no "team", nor did Tolkien, Rowling, etc. Take a look at cgsociety.org and you will find a host of artists requiring no more than their imagination and some basic 3d cg tools to create masterpiece movies, stills and complex story lines. Really, I'm surprised at someone with your claimed pedigree. As a digital artist, I see nothing compelling about the chad/raj/big basin photographs. In fact, in each of them, I can make out artifacts in the shadows which match radiosity rendering. The blotching is a dead giveaway, in my opinion.

For what it's worth...

reply to post by euclid

 

Those were books with no illustrations (excluding those by Tolkien) and they took many years to finish, some decades.

And if you knew a bit more about Tolkien you would now that he was in a little club of sorts - C.S. Lewis was one of the members. Tolkien wrote the core "history" of Middle Earth during the years he was in this writers club. They shared their stories with each other and all of them helped one another in defining their alternative-fantasy worlds.

So, respectfully, the comparison you make is based on demented logic. Thusly, your analysis of the photos must be equally demented by your logic filter.

-Euclid


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New Info Released
www.alienware.com...:gen_20071030_body

Video has symbols from CARET in it too.

They sure are putting alot into using someone elses idea if it isn't theirs....


I think Alienware is still behind the WHOLE thing. Clever viral campaign to get everyone in a fuss about new overpriced gaming computers....




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I'm really not so sure that Alienware are fully responsible for the whole Drone thing from the start. The recent stuff from their website haven't shown anything to do with the actual drones and the Roswell story on the website is poorly thougth out.

I just think they are TRYING to be clever here but the only connection at the moment is the background images on the Alienware website and the text symbols, both which have been pulled from Isaacs Fortune City site. I don't think Alienware would have brought this to light almost in November after it all starting in May this year. Doesn't fit...

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I am having a hard time with this also. I just don't see why Alienware would have bothered to spend the immense amounts of time and money on the Drone photos if they don't even end up using them in this promotion? That alone just does not make sense. If the drones somehow played a part in this, it would be case solved. However without the Drones it just doesn't add up in my opinion.

Here is another thought all together. What if Alien Ware has already bought the rights to use these? It is entirely possible that they had nothing to do with the production of this stuff but they found out who was and bought the rights. Just a thought.

It is despicable to see how alienware uses the whole ET UFO subject to make a quick buck. I mean, I know there are other researchers that do so too, but to see this kind of propaganda is slightly repulsive.


The countdown has begun. All hoaxers and gov conspirators have something coming for there arses.

I agree. Scamming the public and getting them to believe a story only to make fools of them is not the way to sell a product. That is why I'm not sure they started this whole thing. If they did, perhaps someone from the company stole the artwork and created the CARET stuff.

lets not be hasty with alienware as suspected they borrowed not created
this email from pr director to bonzai a member at another form thanx Bonzai! anyone can borrow and profit should they choose to do so, except copyright.

"Hi ___________,

Thank you for your email. It’s great to hear that our promotion has reach out to you and your Forum group regarding the CARET document. Alienware did NOT create the information regarding this phenomena or the CARAT linguistics. This is NOT an intellectual property of Alienware. The information has anonymously spread throughout the web for some time. We have taken the CARAT linguistics and have applied this as a marketing tool to draw attention to our promotion.


Regards,


(name withheld)

Director of PR Communications

Alienware Corporation"

So that's that.



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so that means we have to get off the duffle bags and look some more
sys

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Damn, i guess thats that.

Regardless of all this "Alienware" talk, I have yet to lay witness to any video footage of this particular drone. Like I stated earlier on, the original photographer of the drone claimed that he saw this object on a regular basis over his house. So he frequently witnessed this "craft", put forth the effort and showcased the ability to upload and spread these photos over the internet, and yet all along he could not produce one ounce of video footage from a camcorder. Explain that.

we all have heard of plausible deniability made famous by xfiles
perhaps this may mean something..or just a curious accident:

this is part of my post on the other caret thread :


I just coulldnt resist and have to do a Colombo routine: drop ashes all over the carpet..a total klutz..I love words..the have power even the mispelled ones. No one noticed the mispelling of CARET on the alienware letter.. Its spelled CARAT ..never do that in front of me..add insult to injury
or can it be something else.?.lets take a look shall we?


www.caratfusion.com and www.carat.com

my hits (excluding diamon carats and a board game

NetShelter Carat Fusion " ... on our core technology audience and Alienware has experienced excellent results. Our Alienware campaign runs on a set of hand-picked ...




Digital Marketing Agency Carat Fusion Hires Rob Hollander as Senior Vice President, Content Strategy As Carat Fusion's new Senior Vice President, Content ... in new media initiatives for Dell Computer, CoverGirl.com and Sprint Business-to-Business. ...

my grandma what long fingers you have!



Interactive Agencies - Interactive Marketing Agencies - Interactive Advertising Agencies ... Worldwide earlier this month to fill Gabriner's role fills key Carat Fusion post. ... Vonage (U.S. and U.K.), Dell (Singapore), Coca-Cola (Argentina) and ...


So we have a global op and a game not over..

well, I have to go and meet the rest of the global third wavers suddenly popping in ,coming thru here to resurrect Lazarus. Good guys and bad guys..the mutt and jeff..only they are paid we are not. greetz Razor and crew of UFC and the Chilluns at Om..we are one..we had a smackdown yesterday at OM by raz score good guys 1 caret fakes 0..oh yes we will work it.. lets level the playing field shall we?


as a courtesy i have labeled where to look on top of typed text


(open full image in new browser window)



I love it when articats self organize into cartoons..in fact its a veritable story book sim city!




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