"We are Gathering"

Originally posted by CavemanDD


You read too much Crowley or G.'.D.'. or O.'.T.'.O.'. material. Wake up.

-Euclid


The more reading of anything, the better

The more we understand everything, even falsified. It's good researching into things you feel so strongly opposed to because it helps refine your beliefs. They might sway, or they might strengthen. To read is to learn, and learning is productivity. And I like productivity

I literally have every book Crowley every published, in hard back. Some are very, very old. But like Nietzsche, he was insane. It is true that even a madman can point the enlightened initiate to the Path of Asencsion. But his philosophy is fundamentally flawed in that he is vehemently anti-christian. It shows that his philosophy is ultimately corrupted by analytic overlay. Though he may have been enlightened his enlightenment was corrupted by his inability to ratiocinate the information he was provided with by his spirit guide. He misinterpreted the information and attempted to make up for his lack of quality analysis by writing cryptic poems and shystering money from his gullible followers.

Yes, reading as much as possible is fine as long as one is capable of critical analysis of what they read. Many are not and fall into the "new age" belief systems and become an instrument in the propagation of ingorance and false enlightenment.

-Euclid

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reply to post by indierockalien


There is frequency, the state in which we recieve.

I’m simply trying to tell you guys something. Spirituality without god, gives you a better understanding of the world around you and you should feel obligated to apply it to the world around you. YOU have the ability to change the world. Use your rational state of mind to help the others. I need help in fixing the world and people like the ones here could help. Aim your truth at something. If you preach them these thing they will take you less serious, and that will make you useless. That would be a shame.

There are many tall orders on this planet and most are waiting to be Super-Sized.

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically, but that's what these types of conversations usually turn into. Some guy who's done way too much acid comes in and starts saying everything in rhymes and all poetic like "We are nothing and everything all at once, yet separate", like.... most people don't get that type of talk. To most people, spiritual jibberish (although a lot of it is not truly jibberish) sounds like someone saying "I am a hot dog, yet I am also the bun, the mustard is red, the ketchup is yellow, the hot dog, the bun, and I, are all one with the light of creator"
Nobody's gunna LISTEN to that! It's poetic and beautiful, so maybe they'll be like "oh wow that's poetic and beautiful", but 99.999 percent of people aren't gunna listen to the truth if you're talking like the Dalai Lama.

Originally posted by menguard
reply to post by Potentate_Michael

 

It was dark outside, while I was inside when I recieved it, and It did give me a headache, with the energy projected out in this (Group Projection.)

BUT IT WAS VERY MELIDIOUS, THEN CRASHED LIKE THUNDER INTO MY EARS OR BEING. TALK ABOUT A TONE AND FREQUENCY.

ITS LIKE ANGELS WERE TALKING THERE WORLD INTO BEING.

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This is what it was like.

Originally posted by menguard
reply to post by euclid

 

Ahh yes the logical mind trying to rationalize everything. lol.

What was I thinking. I should have kept the serial killer in mind going.

lol.

I don't know what you are thinking. I do know that you are obiviously insane; you hear voices that you think are some group message from the aether, you make strange and crytic statements about angels and other pseudo-spiritual non-sense. It's obvious you didn't have any message and this is just a game for you.

Ratiocination is your brains' friend. It allows one to know what is and what isn't.

Maybe you should have kept your "message" to yourself if you can't handle critical analysis of it.

-Euclid

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menguard, could you elaborate a little bit more on "there is frequency, the state in which we recieve."?

reply to post by indierockalien


Those frequencies and tones help set up our neurological patterns.

All tones and frequencies are thoughts being played out into our being.

That is what we pickup first, then second comes the thoughtforms.

Yes I am aware of this mindset. And I partly share it. Thats why I'm trying to over-time, put my beliefs into something simplified, and explainable to everyone.

Calling something "new age" for example I can see largely detering people. I hate when people put a label on something. It seems people are still concerned with how "gay" something sounds, rather then look into it. I used to think like this. I hated it.

Now, I'm open to everything, and equally i'm open to someones opinion indicating the truth is otherwise.

My point I made much earlier, is that we can still easily make our stance without implying any offense. Its simple! I welcome all opinions! Its how we learn, by sharing attained knowledge, even if it is different and conflicting, it still pertains to the same subject.

People learn the best when they can all get along. And we're doing that now, but I still see theres a little tension.

All information from anyone is welcome.

Frequency waves alter brain waves, to higher or lower chemical levels. Endorphines are a result of a frequency wave interpreted from sound. But what thinks that thought into place is outside matter.

reply to post by euclid


i think he's handling the analysis quite well actually. I don't see him getting moody. As soon as we give into emotional reaction, we edge further and further from the real subject.

In fact I think he's doing a great job, and you're also doing a great job analysing everything. But we musn't ever let our analysing stop. Because when we think we know the answer to something, we never again consider the answer to be otherwise, we halt that portion of learning. Like the guy said, something like questions are the answers.

Just keep that mind goin!

Originally posted by indierockalien
"We are nothing and everything all at once, yet separate"

We can never be separate. Absence is the immeasurable presence. We are nothing and everything at eternity, not at once.

To most people, spiritual jibberish (although a lot of it is not truly jibberish) sounds like someone saying "I am a hot dog, yet I am also the bun, the mustard is red, the ketchup is yellow, the hot dog, the bun, and I, are all one with the light of creator"

There is no creator of energy. Light should not be personified nor exalted, it is a neutral force as with others. It is for those that have the patience and the will to comprehend. Spirituality is for the religious, or the new age religious scared to leave monotheism.

Nobody's gunna LISTEN to that! It's poetic and beautiful, so maybe they'll be like "oh wow that's poetic and beautiful", but 99.999 percent of people aren't gunna listen to the truth if you're talking like the Dalai Lama.

Poetry can be beautifull, but not always true. Exaggerations are frequently poetic, but truth can not be exaggerated. Beauty can compell the mind to be dictated by distorted perceptions of truth. Beware of beauty and its imposing spells, also beware of your perception of beauty. There's more and less to truth than beauty alone. The truth is ugly as often as it is thought to be beautifull. The truth hurts as often as it feels good. If you're only looking for beauty you will avoid the eternal scope of neutrality.

Very very good point, guy with a picture of himself (gosh im bad with names). I can look past the messenger and see the messege, and I am very very empathetic and can feel the intentions of even the worst person, and I can understand the thought process which had brought them to their negative actions and thoughts and whatnot, and not surprisingly most "bad" people are actually just scared and traumatized, and their negative actions are just defense mechanisms their brain has set up to avoid confrontation with deep issues... and I can understand the skeptics completely because I was one. I get frustrated at them, but I shouldn't be frustrated at someone who just hasn't gotten there yet. That's like being mad at a 3rd grader for not acting like a teenager.

I guess my ability to read people makes it easier for me to relate casually some topics which might ordinarily be a little hard to get across to someone, especially if you can't predict how they will respond... but hey even I had a holier than thou tone for a short short time, and I went "whoa that's not working. People think I'm insane."
People don't want a saviour anymore. They just want truth. Let's give em truth, shall we?

oh by no means were those quotes of what I actually think. I was just spouting out some random spiritual sounding gibberish. My views are a lot more complex, but yeah I think I'd agree with what you said, guy with the grey side thingy and the blue avatar. I'll get your names eventually. Sorry, that must seem impolite. I mean no harm.

Originally posted by CavemanDD
Yes I am aware of this mindset. And I partly share it. Thats why I'm trying to over-time, put my beliefs into something simplified, and explainable to everyone.

Calling something "new age" for example I can see largely detering people. I hate when people put a label on something. It seems people are still concerned with how "gay" something sounds, rather then look into it. I used to think like this. I hated it.

Now, I'm open to everything, and equally i'm open to someones opinion indicating the truth is otherwise.

My point I made much earlier, is that we can still easily make our stance without implying any offense. Its simple! I welcome all opinions! Its how we learn, by sharing attained knowledge, even if it is different and conflicting, it still pertains to the same subject.

People learn the best when they can all get along. And we're doing that now, but I still see theres a little tension.

All information from anyone is welcome.

There will always be what you call "tension" it is part of the Universe. And to attempt to stamp out the existence of "tension" would be to rip apart the balance of the Universe/Multiverse. Not to mention that it is also impossible to do. It will only lead to more tension/war/death. Because that is how the multiverse works. Death/Birth, destruction/creation. It is the way things were, are and will be.

A visual analogy would be to consider the Yin/Yang symbol. It is comprised of two halves. Within each half is a small circle of the other halfs' color. The symbol represents the concept of duality and that within the one side of a "thing or idea" is the essence of its polar opposite. It can be applied to all things; temporal, mental and spiritual. Within the concept of Peace there is War - because with out war there would be no concept of peace. The same holds true for all ideas.

Tension is a good thing and like all things that are Natural it should be embraced.

-Euclid

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reply to post by indierockalien


I can see we are alike . I know what your saying, your just pointing out some ideas of others that are there.

I used to be like, and like you I learned to respect all people, even the most 'unlikeable', for they are just finding their way, and so am i, so its not my place to judge. I used to be totally ignorant. I was afraid to face things I thought which were un-answerable or just even in-concievable.

Yes I'm the guy with the face. I put it up today because the internet often distorts views and intention, personality etc. This face is who i am. So you got an image to put to the words. And as you can see, i'm a pretty happy guy. I just want people to remember that when they read something I say that they might not agree with. I want them to know that i'm not hiding, and that i'm their freind, not their enemy .

reply to post by menguard


I believe your aim is true, and thank you. This is a great thread, i guess i'm just past it.

reply to post by euclid


yes i'm fully aware of the need for balance, and that it will always be there, even if I make it my effort to polarize myself.

But I also feel there is a time and place for everything. And I see tension as just a bi-product of ideas that hard to swallow. I feel this way because I feel its part of the negative force, and attribute to the counter-productive process. Knowledge = productive, ignorance = counter-productive. And what I'm saying is I think tension is a bi-product of an un-willingness to change and think about new ideas. Tension in life will always be there, same with negative forces, the balance must be held.

But you're telling me you can't have a freindly conversation about something great without getting upset?

Thats all I'm saying. And i know fully what your saying. Negativity is there, we can't ignore it, but we can control it. I know I'm not going to enjoy or even want to learn anything if I start to give into inner reactive negative emotions. But thats me.

Originally posted by stellawayten
menguard,

i have a couple of questions.

1. Why did you want to know our age, location, etc?

2. Why do you talk with (parenthases) around some of your words?

I too would like to see these questions answered menguard.


Euclid,

May I ask why you continue to post in this thread if you are convinced we all read too much Crowley and are insane. Btw, I'm not sure you understand the definition of insanity. Perhaps you are thinking of a different word because I assure you we are not insane.