Bill Maher Throws Out 911 Protester!!

For a long time I have restrained myself from bad mouthing 911 deniers. But lately I've noticed that some of my posts have included a little sarcasm and a llittle biting wit. I never mean to be overly harsh with anyone but sometimes it might seem that way.

I want to make a distinction here between 911 deniers and 911 debunkers. I prefer the debunkers because they demand logic and evidence and help set high standards for coming to conclusions. We need debunkers.

Unfortunately among the debunkers there is a large group of people who are simple deniers. They are the "jailhouse lawyer types" who will make an argument that black is white until they are blue in the face. They will use every rhetorical trick that they learned in litigation class and don't really care about the arguments they are making. They use these forums simply for their own purposes.

One more thought. The hallmark of someone operating in "denier mode" is the use of what one could call the "flanking" argument. The flanking argument doesn't meet an argument head on, on it's own merits, it circles around to attack from another position. The flanking argument is essentially a tool of combat not conversation. It's about winning in the courtroom, not advancing understanding. The flanking argument and the ad hominem attack are the two mainstays of the 911 deniers.

To them I say, "Have a nice day."

[edit on 22-10-2007 by ipsedixit]

reply to post by Dr Love


A- You're assuming that some evidence exists that is being withheld, rather than merely as I stated, being unknown.

B- You're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.
Where's the cruise missile/UAV debris? Where are the passengers, and plane? How much damage could the smaller objects cause vs. a 757?
Eyewitnesses- are they all lying? How did the debris from an airliner get on site? I'm sure I could think of a lot more questions to ask, but there's a lot more what ifs involved in the no 757 theory, than in mine.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
A- You're assuming that some evidence exists that is being withheld, rather than merely as I stated, being unknown.

I thought those videos exist officially. Are you saying they don't?

Or, are you saying that they do officially exist, but the content of the videos is unknown, so that by default makes the official story the truth?

Peace

[edit on 22-10-2007 by Dr Love]

Bill is a pretty cool guy. He works to make money and needs decorum to do it.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
They will use every rhetorical trick that they learned in litigation class and don't really care about the arguments they are making.

Assuming any of these people have ever actually been in a "litigation class" is assuming way too much. The foundation of their arguments (official story) would never hold up in a court of law, therefore their arguments would get schooled by any opposing attorney in a court of law.

Litigation class at ITT Tech maybe.

Peace

reply to post by Dr Love

I agree with what you are saying, however from time to time when I read the typical "denier" material that appears in these forums, nestled among the usual sorts of, dare I say, frantic, hysterical posts will be a little gem of venemous mischief redolent of, pardon my French, merde en croute, as if we were all blessed by the presence of a slumming Yalie. That's what I'm talking about.

Beyond that you are absolutely correct.



[edit on 22-10-2007 by ipsedixit]

Originally posted by BlueRaja
B- You're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

I'm sick of this argument. The claim is made that 19 high jackers were able to infiltrate our defenses and level 3 buildings and kill over 3000 people while doing it. I'm sorry but the onus of proof is on the official side. Sorry to say this but you guys have no proof to stand on. That is why you shift the onus on us.

Give me irrefutible proof that the official story is 100% correct then.

[edit on 10/22/2007 by Griff]

reply to post by ipsedixit


Yes, there is a method to their madness. Those are the perks of defending the official story. Unfortunately, we're not in a court of law, so they can throw flawed logic around with impunity.

Peace

reply to post by Dr Love


I'm taking the agnostic approach here. I don't know if the videos exist or not, or what may or may not be on them. I'm not going to claim that because I don't know what may or may not be on them, that X happened.
The fact that I don't know something isn't enough for me to say that there's a conspiracy though.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
I'm taking the agnostic approach here. I don't know if the videos exist or not, or what may or may not be on them. I'm not going to claim that because I don't know what may or may not be on them, that X happened.

Fair enough. If the videos do exist though, do you think taxpayers have a right to see them?

Peace

Originally posted by BlueRaja
I'm taking the agnostic approach here. I don't know if the videos exist or not, or what may or may not be on them. I'm not going to claim that because I don't know what may or may not be on them, that X happened.
The fact that I don't know something isn't enough for me to say that there's a conspiracy though.

But the fact that you are not privy to them points to a conspiracy in itself. What are they hiding?

well since we have gotten back on a 9-11 tangent... lets get back to the topic at hand...

Bill Maher Throws Out 911 protester!!

Sooo has anybody heard if bill pressed charges? did the idiots at least have to spend a few hours in jail???

Maybe if we can stick to the topic at hand we won't have another 3 pages of dickering back and forth over which 9-11 view is right...

=)

I was shocked to hear he was supposed to be a comedian,and I was even more shocked that he had anyone in his audience

What this thread is turning into is EXACTLY what I was trying to avoid. Again I say- Anyone who wants to debate the 9/11 issue feel free to U2U me and we can do it there. Derailing this thread is not the way to accomplish anything. The real fact of the matter is not anyone here can prove 100% beyond any doubt that the official story is accurate and I can not prove 100% beyond any doubt that the official story is BOGUS. Period.

Back to topic- Infowars has an article up about the Truthers and Mr. Bill along with an interview they did with Alex Jones.

Interesting to note the truthers claim they were slammed onto the ground, roughed up, handcuffed and taken to a separate room. When the police arrived they said they "heckled a comedian" and the police demanded the handcuffs be removed and no law was broken. Pretty interesting article, I have not listened to the actual interview yet. You can read and get a link for the interview HERE

reply to post by coven


Of course, getting back to the left/right dickering would be much more enjoyable I'm sure. As if that's more on-topic than discussing the truth movement and it's reasoning.

I love board cops.

Peace

I am not trying to be a board cop. The fact is this thread is about Bill Maher throwing out 9/11 truth activist off his show when they disrupted a live broadcast. It is NOT about which version of 9/11 is the truth. I am sure there are a million other threads which you can feel free to debate 9/11 on. THIS thread is not the one for that.

So it makes me a "board cop" because I want to stay on topic? Thats pretty asinine in my opinion.

reply to post by section8citizen


Look at my "reply to" section8.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
reply to post by coven

 

Of course, getting back to the left/right dickering would be much more enjoyable I'm sure. As if that's more on-topic than discussing the truth movement and it's reasoning.

I love board cops.

Peace

fyi... you can read the statement below yours to get my response. See I'm not the only one sick of truthers "Thread-jacking". Get some evidence, start your own thread, and then bitch when I derail it... otherwise.

get over it.

back to topic... Bill Maher Vs. truth movement


The 'truthers' claim they were roughed up... they claim they heckled a comedian and the cops forced security to remove handcuffs? Firstly Heckling can get you arrested for disturbing the peace. you see most of the public there are there to watch a show and be entertained... not get in a shouting match with the host. These truthers should be glad Bill has more important things to worry about, or he could go the legal route. either with disturbing the peace (as the organizer of the event[live studio recording] bill is allowed to press those charges on a WHIM...[due to the Beauty of a 'Closed Set'... when you enter you agree to ablige or be arrested] basically if he feels someone is SCREWING UP HIS SHOW HE CAN GET THEM CHARGED) or at least restraining orders.

too bad Bill's a different kinda guy... he's a laid back pothead liberal, who has enough respect for free speech to NOT have somebody THROWN in JAIL for practicing it. These truthers do nothing but hurt the movement.

A real truther rues them.

Hell read the S.O. Quote below.

Straight from the owner of the website.

so which are you? a denier? or a debunker? I really don't need an answer I have seen many of your responses and logic shows me which line you lay upon.

Au Revoir!

Seems to me the issue regarding building 7 was that it was done to take advantage and capitalize on the events of 9-11.

Some people will always try to take advantage and benefit from a catastrophic situation, it happened after Katrina.
It's that ambulance chasing mentality.
In this case it's an isolated incident, quick and clever thinking done so by the owner of the building to ride on the coat tails of 9-11 for insurance purposes and I'm sure he made a killing.

But of course, people would much rather blame Bush even though war was declared on this country years before Bush took office.

I think the goal of these truthers was to hijack the airwaves to spread the word on 911 truth..though bill maher is another elitist control freak as he exampled himself. The airwaves belong to the people, not the socialist liars who keep apathy the norm.

he quotes greek to them! what a romanist elitist loser. Sure interupting the show, on the surface seems stupid, but its important to upset the norm to get people to wake up. Bill maher would kick out his mother if she mentioned 911 truth i bet. which shows his morality and standards..very low.

"yah bob..i believe im the greatest, lets mock the world on tv by making them love us and our apathy and make those who love good and truth feel pain" "ok bill, good idea, i get to be the idea guy"