Bill Maher Throws Out 911 Protester!!

reply to post by snoopy


you know what. you're absolutely correct. i've just had an epiphany, and came to my senses. I think 911 was caused by a couple of guys with boxcutters that stole airliners and used them to knock down two giant skyscrapers. it would be foolish for me to dare think otherwise, especially on a conspiracy web site where conspiracy discussion is encouraged.

reply to post by pavil


hey man, listen, you want to talk about proof? I have no more proof that there was a conspiracy surrounding 911 then you do that some guys with boxcutters stole airliners and caused two successful demolitions. Debating? I can debate, I'm totally down for debate and guess what, if I'm presented with enough reasonable and persuasive evidence then my opinion would probably change and I would believe otherwise. My opinions aren't fixed and permanent, I just try to base them on my own logic, reason, and common sense. Go ahead if you want to change my opinion I would love that, I'm not comfortable with my current theories. They offer a very grim and sinister outlook on things, and they suggest that many of my beloved brothers and sisters of the human race, my people, and my country, were duped and taken advantage of.

[edit on 21-10-2007 by comm12]

The screamers in the audience might look silly to people that do not think an no nothing about control or silent weapons, but they will do a couple other things.

A few people will say, "that was weird, why would people say that?" and research like a previous poster said.

They also by bringing up the need for outburst, show the control of media.

How does this have an effect? When all those people in the audience in some future day, begin to wake up. When they have a glimpse of the propaganda, the control, and the lies, instead of falling back to sleep they will remember this event. There mind will click and understand why people were screaming from audience, and more importantly, that these people get 0 air time on mainstream media.

This event is a seed, it gives people a sliver in the mind on the topic, and when some personal thing is seen, something that really challenges there current acceptance of the official, that seed will become something with meaning.

Every event like this offers the viewers a red or blue pill, many can laugh and go back to sleep, some will not.

Oh, and to the guy who says the topic is Bill Maher, the topic is also the throwing out of 911 protesters.


[edit on 21-10-2007 by Redge777]

I can think of better shows for the WE are Change people to visit. Maher's ratings are dismal this season. He is becoming more unfunny with every show and I think he's just burning out.

Maher is like alot of Hollywood personalities...He probably agrees with the Truthers, but he knows what side his bread is buttered...

I used to think Dennis Miller was honest with the public...boy was I wrong...



[edit on 21-10-2007 by coastlinekid]

reply to post by coastlinekid


yea even if he does happen to agree, he knows he's on a mainstream media outlet therefore he best play ball.

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by comm12
how dare anyone interrupt our safe and cheeky television programming with the brutal and disheartening truth

See... That's what I'm talking about. How do you debate someone who is totally convinced they are right and you are either wrong/stupid, take your pick.
Never mind that they don't have any incontrovertible proof to back up their claims of said "brutal and disheartening truth". That doesn't matter, does it? Truth is irrelevant to the Truth movement, that's what I find really ironic.

And yes, I am a disinfo agent, before you accuse me of it. Sigh.

I love comments like this...

First off... can you show me any proof at all that 19 hijackers planned and executed the 9/11 attacks? You can not "prove" the official story and I can not "prove" that the official story is nonsense. All any of us can do is what any investigator would do. Follow the evidence. If you follow the evidence, there are some very serious questions that get raised that NO ONE has any answers too. The real fact of the matter is, had the steel not been shipped away so quickly and the government treated 9/11 as a murder case (which it is) and had also did ANYTHING at all to preserve the chain of evidence, we would not even be having this discussion right now. The simple fact that standard procedures in a case such as this were not followed makes it even easier to think something is not right.

back on topic.... I am all about 9/11 Truth and I do not feel that the "movement" is "desperate" in the least. As I have already stated, displays like what we saw on this show make ALL 9/11 Truthers look bad. Fact is, this is Bill Maher's show and he can choose what he discusses and what he does not discuss. If you don't like it, get your own show and discuss 9/11 for as long as you would like. There are a million ways to spread your message without making yourself look like a jacka** and We Are Change made themselves look like a bunch of jacka**'s.

Originally posted by comm12
reply to post by snoopy

 

You know what. you're absolutely correct. i've just had an epiphany, and came to my senses. I think 911 was caused by a couple of guys with boxcutters that stole airliners and used them to knock down two giant skyscrapers. it would be foolish for me to dare think otherwise, especially on a conspiracy web site where conspiracy discussion is encouraged.

I think that you are missing the point there, Comm12. It doesn't matter how firmly you believe in your own theory of the events of that day. What does matter is that you be willing to listen and discuss and debate with others who have differering theories / opinions.

The fact that you responded to that last post with venom and sarcasm tells me all I need to know. You're not interested in the truth, you're interested in your truth.

Now, obviously this is a dangerous attitude to have, especially if you would like this topic to become more mainstream. There is a give and take in issues such as these, and you have demonstrated an unwillingness to take part in it.

My main problem with your post is that you say the idea of 19 men taking over four airplanes and crashing them into skyscrapers is preposterous. Well, the truth is, it really isn't that much of a stretch. One man can hijack an airliner with relative ease, all he has to do is threaten that he has a bomb. What four or five men could do would be much easier.

Now, if you would like to tell me why it would be so hard for 19 men to hijack four planes and crash them into buildings (and no, I don't want to talk about their flight skills, etc. I am only addressing the point that you made - there will be time for the rest of the discussion later) than I welcome you too. However, if you are just going to call me a sheep or a dis info agent or whatever, or ignore my queries, than I think that speaks volumes.

Originally posted by section8citizen

I love comments like this...

First off... can you show me any proof at all that 19 hijackers planned and executed the 9/11 attacks?

You mean besides the flight manifests and tapes showing some of the 19 at the Airports checking in. Besides all the phone conversations on the planes. Besides the suicide tapes released by A.Q. showing the hijackers. Besides the DNA evidence. Besides the Confession of Khalid Sheik Muhammad. Beshides the OBL tape and subsequent tapes about the 9/11 attacks. Besides the money trail and flight schoool evidence. Besides Mohammad Atta's Note to the other hijackers found in the Rental car. Besides the cockpit conversations that were sent out by accident. That's enough for starters.

Nah..... you're right. I have nothing. Can you show me your evidence, not theory. Hey here's a good one, show me incontrivertible proof of placed charges at the WTC? Should be easy one right?

reply to post by pavil


But all of that stuff could have been planted or tortured out of people who were then made to read off a script. Furthermore, the government doesn't even begin to explain who made the suspicious stock transactions prior to 9/11 or how the transactions could have been "coincidence", as the 9/11 commission report suggests.

reply to post by Mezzanine


Mezz, I HAVE been debating this theory on and off for several years now with a plethora of people, and my opinions have varied from time.

When i first watched the events in shock and sadness I believed that 19 hijackers really did knock down the skyscrapers. It stayed this way for me for about 13 or 14 months until I started look into the subject. Haven't gone back to that opinion since. That's not saying it's impossible, I just haven't really been convinced. If you'd like to debate on it, we can.

Therefore, perhaps my original post should have read "How dare they interrupt our safe and cheeky television programs with what I believe to be the brutal and disheartening truth."

reply to post by comm12


I think it just all goes to show you that the more the media tries to pretend this doesn't exist, the more they will get bitten in the ass. If the media actually DID ITS JOB and asked the gov't tough questions and called bs on their seriously flawed story, this stuff would probably be contained to the news channels. But since the news channels are turning their nose up on actually getting to the bottom of 9/11, the media is forced to deal with this issue on the terms of the people who actually WILL ask the tough questions.

reply to post by comm12


That is fair enough, and I understand why you believe the things you do. Personally, I just haven't found any alternative theory which makes enough sense for 9/11 yet. That is not to say that I trust the Governments version of events, it is just that the whole thing has an air of mystery around it that has not been satisfactorily explained yet.

Also, I understand your passion for the topic. I just think that people who are fighting for the truth (whatever the truth may be) should be more respectful and courteous to those who don't agree with them.

Just because someone doesn't agree with your side doesn't make them a sheep or mean that they are living in a fantasy world. It just means that they haven't had things make sense to them yet (which is understandable in a topic as large and engrossing as this one), or that the evidence is so scattered and cryptic that logical deductions are almost impossible without giant leaps of faith.

I'll use Roswell as an example. In the years following Roswell, you didn't see members of the Roswell Truth Groups interrupting television shows shouting "They recovered alien bodies!!!" Instead, the topic gradually gained momentum as more and more people became aware of it... to the point that it is now one of the most widely recognized conspiracy theories in the world. I realize that technology has changed to the point that that above scenario would hardly have been possible back then, but I am just using this as an analogy.

Then, just as now, people interrupting television broadcasts would have been ignored and dismissed. I think we can all agree that that is not something we want to happen when it comes to alternative 9/11 theories.

Look the fact of the matter is this country is quickly marching towards another illegal war with Iran, not mention quickly becoming a fascist country. The evidence for 9-11 being an inside job is there!! Imagine if every live show, football, baseball game, political assembly or what have you had several people that believe that 9-11 was an inside job all standing up and bringing this issue to the front lines of the media. People would be seeing this kind of action everywhere all the time, and then they might begin to research into the events of this day and WTC 7!!! I fear that we don't have that much time left and we truly need an independent investigation. We all know the media is bought and paid for by corporations with an agenda, I think the media is starting to get scared and realize that this issue is not going way, but the movement is growing by leaps and bounds everyday!! Every bit of exposure helps. My 2 cents...

Originally posted by uberarcanist
reply to post by pavil

 

But all of that stuff could have been planted or tortured out of people who were then made to read off a script. Furthermore, the government doesn't even begin to explain who made the suspicious stock transactions prior to 9/11 or how the transactions could have been "coincidence", as the 9/11 commission report suggests.

Thread is drifting terribly off point but you are supposing it is all faked, when the more logical conclusion is the opposite of that. Your belief is running contrary to the facts, yet you ignore the facts by dismissing them as false. You are allowed your own opinion, not your own facts.

reply to post by Vinadetta


The more time goes by, the harder it will be to convince the "sheep" that their own Government perpetrated 9/11...

I do not have the answer...

I just know that as I go thru life, on a day by day basis, I feel so weakened by our "Apathy"...

I think i'm going to throw up....

I find it amazing how binary people have become. If you are not a 9/11 "truther" you are obviously a naive fool, a sheep or an idiot. The minute that Maher commented that "truthers" should be medicated, he was persona non grata. People in America today cannot simply disagree on an issue anymore; you're either with us, or against us. Since when has the world become a system of absolutes? Can people no longer associate with others who happen to share different opinions on different topics?

For those who believe that the US government was responsible for the events of 9/11, I truly find your opinions and beliefs to be abhorrent. I find the notion to be cynical and repugnant. That being said, I absolutely respect your rights to have said opinion. I don't think you're tinfoil conspiracy theorists, or nutjobs, or wackos. I think you are simply people with an opinion that differs from my own. Why the animosity? Why do so many of the "truthers" seem to believe that those who disagree with them are simply walking around in a blind stupor? Why can't they just accept that people disagree with them?

Accordingly, this does not apply to all who believe in the theory. However, in reviewing this thread, and this site, they seem to be a very silent majority.

Originally posted by Mezzanine
I'll use Roswell as an example.

I'm glad you brought up Roswell as an analogy, this actually sparked something in my mind related to it.

I wonder how many people who believe 9/11 was a conspiracy also believe Roswell was.


I guess what I don't get is :

Roswell

No eyewitnesses to the crash
No eyewitnesses to the object in the air before the crash
No physical evidence whatsoever
No video or photos of anything other than the balloon in the paper

So, basically this whole story is founded on what after the crash witnesses said nearly 40+ years later. And nothing else.

The die hard Roswell believers will say based on that :

It was real, the government covered it up.


9/11

Thousands of eyewitnesses from all walks of life
Eyewitnesses to the actual crashes and planes in the air in broad daylight
Pro and amateur video of the attacks
Photos of the attacks and wreckage


Just to name a few, as we can see , there is much more than that alone, however...

The die hard "truther" will say based on that :

It wasn't real, the government did it.


So I guess the point is those of you that believe in both "conspiracies" have to ask yourself why in the world you are being hypocritical about the matter.
I mean is it really the truth you are after, or do you in fact just hate the government? Or is there some other reason? Surely you don't believe the average Joe is lying about what he saw, right? To introduce doubt into one is to introduce doubt into both as far as trusting eyewitnesses.


Anyway, sorry about getting off topic, I'm glad Roswell was brought up...

Back to the matter at hand, I guess those that think this behavior on Bill's show is perfectly acceptable are those that have never had to work in the movie industry or mass media. While you have freedom of speech in this country, in no way does that give you the right to disrupt someones show for whom you are a guest.

People like this are a producers nightmare, especially on a show when you have guests that have tight schedules to stick to, and stuff like this costs the show money.

Go outside, form a march, whatever, but when you walk onto a set and sign that waiver you agreed to the rules. If you don't, you get thrown out at the very least, as well you should. Write your congressman/woman, show them your evidence, scream to them about building 7 or what have you.

Better yet, if you don't like what he says on his show, and you need such attention, go out and get your own show!

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by section8citizen

I love comments like this...

First off... can you show me any proof at all that 19 hijackers planned and executed the 9/11 attacks?

You mean besides the flight manifests and tapes showing some of the 19 at the Airports checking in. Besides all the phone conversations on the planes. Besides the suicide tapes released by A.Q. showing the hijackers. Besides the DNA evidence. Besides the Confession of Khalid Sheik Muhammad. Beshides the OBL tape and subsequent tapes about the 9/11 attacks. Besides the money trail and flight schoool evidence. Besides Mohammad Atta's Note to the other hijackers found in the Rental car. Besides the cockpit conversations that were sent out by accident. That's enough for starters.

Nah..... you're right. I have nothing. Can you show me your evidence, not theory. Hey here's a good one, show me incontrivertible proof of placed charges at the WTC? Should be easy one right?

I'd love to show you proof of charges being placed at the Towers, however the steel was quickly shipped away against all standard operating procedures regarding the collection of evidence at a crime scene. Like I said in a previous post, had the steel not been shipped away there would be nothing to discuss for either side of the 9/11 issue.

1) The Hijackers- You mean some of the 19 checking in and the 7 or so that just happen to still be alive? Can you "prove" those tapes were indeed made on 9/11? and if so how do you explain why 7 are still alive after having crashed?

2) Conversations from what phones? It has been proven that one of the flights that these calls were made from did not have air phones. Have you ever gotten a cell phone to work on an airplane flying at 500 mph? I know I haven't.

3) What DNA evidence are you referring to? Can you show me this evidence?

4) Khalid Sheik Muhammad-The confession of a guy who was tortured? Do you know that according to US Government documents it says that information from a torture victim is not reliable because they generally will say anything to get you to stop torturing them and they will tell you whatever you want to hear?

5) The OBL tapes that have been proven to be fakes? What about the original statement from OBL where he claims to not have been involved in the attacks?

6) The money trail and flight school evidence? You mean the stock options that were traced back to the CIA? Or the reports from the flight school instructors and managers that said the "hijackers" were incompetent and could hardly fly a small prop job plane much less a full sized commercial airliner?

I could continue to go on, but none of this has anything to do with Bill Maher and 9/11 truth which is the topic at hand. If you would like to debate the 9/11 issue with me, I'd be more than willing to do so but it might be best that we do this through U2U. I would really prefer not to derail this thread and take it off topic.

WELL DONE BILL , WELL DONE !
sorry , but we're all tired of these idiots .

eh, idk where I stand on this but I see it as hurting the movement. It makes them see like a bunch of ignorant assholes (like Bill .

I also enjoyed how Bill threatened to fight a lady. Pretty manly imo

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