U.S. Military Killing 10,000 Iraqis Per Month

For those who didn't read this article, here is an important part that needs to be posted,



So the stats that are listed in this article were from people who knew who shot who. My question is how many deaths were not counted since they were uncertain as to who the killer was?

The article clearly states "many". So how many? 5, 10, 20? 100K? 6 million? I hope you get what i'm trying to say.

This is only one study. You need way more then one study to make an assessment of any situation. This article clearly states that data was thrown out because it didn't show who killed who. Why did they leave that data out? Would the number of unconfirmed deaths be greater then what this article states the US did? Or would it prove that the US isn't the biggest reason for the death toll in Iraq? Would it also show a number that is larger then anyone can imagine? I wonder.

Without knowing all the data I cannot begin to have an idea of how many people were killed and who did it. This is a clear case of using one study to make the public think that the US is the major reason for all the deaths in Iraq. This article does not back up that claim.

I am also staying on topic and trying to keep this thread interesting since I found a pretty big hole in the idea this article is trying to make. Leaving out data is a very bad thing to do if you are trying to convince people about facts. This study doesn't give out all the facts so how can it be taken seriously?

Originally posted by anhinga
THIS article speculates that the US military is a killing machine over in Iraq. And why doubt it? How can we get body counts that are proven?

[edit on 19-10-2007 by anhinga]

So the only people that are killing Iraqis are american??? There aren't any suicide bombing terrorists in Iraq that aren't blowing up 200 + iraqis in one explosion??? No, it must be american soldiers who are doing it right???

What an irresponsible thing to post. You're saying that american soldiers are executing 10,000 iraqis per month..... I assume you can prove this absurd statement right??? If not, I would EXPECT an apology to all the brave soldiers who are in Iraq right now.

As previously stated, this article is slanted and with out merit. Just another BS article to further the agenda of withdrawl by smearing our troops.

I could make up an article just like Michael Schwartz did if I wanted to, to get more traffic for the website.

Not bad, Michael.

Seriously, isn't a 10,000 way too much for a number?

[edit on 19-10-2007 by TheoOne]

People, play nice.

Ignorance has been denied in this post, so no need to keep having an attitude.

Lets not start getting all antsy in our pantsy again.


[edit on 19-10-2007 by cavscout]

Originally posted by Eclipse_Solar

Originally posted by anhinga

I'll admit it -- I ratted that guy out, since I was the one who started the post, I had to report him, can other please do the same. I think there should not even be 5 warnings for that thing, maybe 2 or 3 tops. Even that. What is your problem? Do you actually type that sentence in a sane mind?

I didn't know what I wrote I'm just sad over the death of the soldiers, didn't mean it.

Nice excuse, I get drunk and buy crap off ebay, but I still remember I bought it.

Redneck.

Maybe this is just population control and fox told everyone we're in a war.

I, apparently , wasted no small amount of time reading this thread.

Isn't it interesting how people, in their hurry to denigrate America..so quickly forget the atrocities of Saddam Hussein.

I assure you..the Kurds have not forgotten. How many mass graves do we have to dig up? How many torture victims do we have to treat? How many loved ones lost to the military use of nerve gas?

Oh...sorry...we can't talk about that. Its George Bush who is the monster. Not Saddam Hussein...not the leader of Iran who hangs young boys because they are gay..no, its George Bush who is the monster. Its not Hamas who regularly launch indiscriminate rockets into civilian areas of Israel...no they aren't monsters..its George Bush.

Lets all go bury our heads in the sands of the middle east and pretend that this land is simply suffereing from that monster George Bush.

Some people can simply ignore the facts. This thread is a good example. Cause if George Bush is the monster of your world...then if you ever meet the true monster, you are in for an unpleasant surprise.

Raf

Originally posted by Raf_50
Isn't it interesting how people, in their hurry to denigrate America..so quickly forget the atrocities of Saddam Hussein.
I assure you..the Kurds have not forgotten.
Raf

The Kurds are the primary heroin smugglers in the region, and according to the actions they have taken against the legitmate governments of Iraq and Turkey they are terrorists.

But hey, don't let me spoil your self-righteous ignorance.

Originally posted by Copernicus
reply to post by Eclipse_Solar

 

I see you value American life more than Iraqi life... thats a sick point of view in my opinion. You did not give them freedom, you caused a tragedy never before seen in the middle east. Stop believing the lies from your mass media.


[edit on 19-10-2007 by Copernicus]

Before you spout ignorance........

Notice.

the "600k iragis dead" story HAS BEEN DEBUNKED AS BS The story was based off of a small group that went to a select group of houses AND MULTIPLIED THE FINDINGS TO RELATE TO THE POPULATION >>>> Though only counting roughly .01 percent of the population.

This is why Liberals will loose the next election. Pure ignorance.

Originally posted by Raf_50

You put it better than I could!!

When I was in Kuwait in 1998, we did a tour of the martyr house and the museum that the Kuwait government had put up telling the story of their people that were taken to Iraq and never returned. I believe that when US troops invaded Iraq, they discovered many of the mass graves of these missing civilians.

I saw the photos of the people that were tortured and murdered by the Iraqis. These people were made to wear women's underwear on their heads. They were doused in acid, or set on fire, or dismembered.

There are mistakes made in Iraq by US Forces, but there's no way in hell that we can compete with what Saddam did to his own people.

My thing is - if their gonna force women's underwear over your head, at least make it a hot chick and not 'Lindy England' or whoever's underwear that was - she's nasty, but I guess that's why they call it war.

The First Casualty Of War

Whoa, quite a thread. Seems some members become quite touchy when tens of thousands of people die.

For those who may be interested in additional sources and opinions, Wikipedia has some surprisingly good articles on this topic:

Wikipedia: Casualties of the Iraq War

Wikipedia: Lancet surveys of casualties of the Iraq War

Regarding the source article by Michael Schwartz, I tend to become even more skeptical than usual when I see claims like this:

From the source article:

Iraqi insurgents often set off IEDs and invite these firefights, in order to stall the patrols prevent the soldiers from forcibly entering 30 or so homes, violently accosting their residents, and perhaps beating, arresting, or simply humiliating the residents.

Of course. Dr. Schwartz offers a perfectly sound and rational assessment of the role of IEDs.

They protect innocent Iraqis!

Name Yer Poison

Naturally, members are free and encouraged to make up their own minds about this issue, like any other.

But I do think it is wise to avail oneself of as much information as possible before drawing any conclusions.

Also, I think it's important to consider that many Iraqi "civilian" deaths are actually combatants who are not identified as such (they don't wear uniforms), and that many Iraqi civilians have died not necessarily from direct action by Coalition forces, but by the consequences of the lawlessness and internecine violence (i.e. killings by militias and death squads) which has flourished in the chaos following the initial invasion.

For my part, I'm reasonably confident that the true count of Iraqi dead (both combatant and non-combatant) falls somewhere between the figures compiled by the Iraq Body Count and the figures given by the "Lancet" surveys.

By any reckoning, that's a lot of people.

Ten Thousand Here, Ten Thousand There...

Even if we accept the most conservative under-estimates, the fact that tens of thousands of Iraqis have died as a direct result of the invasion and occupation of Iraq is not in dispute.

And I don't think that is something anyone with a conscience should casually dismiss. :shk:

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nice thread ima stick on this one

i was born in iraq and look @ it now the us goverment is run by a 10 yr old thay htink thay are playing a computer game

Originally posted by PureET

Originally posted by Eclipse_Solar
If 10 million Iraqis would die every month it still would not mount up to the death of an American life.

what are u we are all equal what gives u the right to say that. ima

iraqi and proud

I'd like to bump a couple of threads posted by UM_Gazz last month and back in June.

Iraq conflict has cost 1.2 million lives

U.N.: 4.2 Million Iraqis Now Displaced

Still as relevant, right now, as today's body count.

On both sides...

Originally posted by Eclipse_Solar
Oh no, them liberals at it again...

Why do you liberals keep attacking America? We gave them freedom, we sacrificed our soldiers to liberate their country.


[edit on 19-10-2007 by Eclipse_Solar]

Fool, if you had any sense you would realize liberals and conservatives are two sides to the same coin.

We did not give them freedom. Iraqi death toll is nearing 1 million, our soldiers are dying. One man's pathetic ideologies are NEVER worth a single drop of innocent blood. I don't care how many people here think they can ever justify death, you can NEVER justify death. This war is one big lie, nothing more. Bush lied to everyone to further his own agenda and make his wallet fatter. His only concern is money, he does not give a # about me, you, or anyone else. He used the military to get his money.

You have a lot to learn.

[edit on 20-10-2007 by Mindzi]

[edit on 20-10-2007 by Mindzi]

ya know ,it's always the same old assumptions and blame. i'm old enough to remember viet nam,and if ats were around then you would be able to read this thread with a few minor geographical changes. the opinions were the same and all it did was rip a country apart and we didn't really find out what was what till it was done. if we really did. it's funny how things never change.
you have to consider that we didn't send a bunch of murderers over there,we sent our troops. we had embeded reporters. they didn't see this stuff. i might not like the war,because my daughter is in the service,and i'm scared for her, but she never even alluded to the fact that they were killing,or heard they were killing at that rate.
the viet nam vets talked about atrocities,openly. why haven't we heard of this behaviorfrom our troops in this war?
sure would be a great conspiracy, keeping those 100,000+ troops quiet,wouldn't it?

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[edit on 20-10-2007 by Spectre0o0]

reply to post by Mindzi


Wrong! onservatives and liberals are two sides to the same CON!......
To the doubters of the killing efficiency of the US forces i have one word to say.....FALLUJAH......
The burned corpses will attest to it.
Meantime, in Afghanistan, the collateral deaths from our airstrikes undoubtedly total to more than dead Taliban by now.....bergle

This place always cracks me up...disinfo central. I spent quite a time over in Iraq and from my perspective the US military including OGA, and contractors did their best not to harm a single innocent Iraqi. Yes due to secretarian violence 100 Iraqis a day died. But that was from Iraqis killing other Iraqis via car bombs. Shia vs Sunni. At least the Kurds have managed to pull their heads out of their proverbial asses. And yes Iran is supporting the Iraqi Shia through there own little assymtric war cuz they are too chicken # to take on the US in a frontal assault.