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Originally posted by memoir
First, what good would there be in wiping everybody out? What power is there to be had if there are no people to have power over? More to societal context; what money is to be made?
Second - this is an honest question, no sarcasm here - Where did she make "it clear she felt the democrats were the only salvation from this situation.". I must have missed that. Can you give me a time reference in the video?
Originally posted by undo]
She mentions that we should turn to democracy, that democracy is what we need or rather is what this nation is all about.
Though, I say, buy yourself some 'items of defense' and head for the hills. Those running the show don't give one hoot about our little conventions or protests; speed bumps.
"There is absolutely no reason our intelligence officials should have to consult government lawyers before listening into terrorist communications with the likes of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and other foreign terror groups," said House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).
Any person who believes that this government is of the people, by the people, or for the people needs to get their nose out of the text book and squeegee their third #@! eye (R.I.P. Bill Hicks). If you need an example, take a look at the current system of Congress and the President and the bills that go back and forth like so many paper airplanes in a 4th grade class when the teacher has just stepped out.
-memoir
I am sorry...who is she? I have never heard of her. Is she a college professor in political science? A historian?
She is a good speaker.
What is it though that we are supposed to be rising up against?
What is so different today about our country that wasn't true ten, twenty, even one hundred years ago?
Lincoln suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War. He also occupied and brutalized American cities (like Atlanta during Sherman's march).
We sort of forced the Indians off of the land that they owned (they were sort of here first).
We had something called slavery that most of the founding fathers did not seem to have a problem with.
In the 1940's, thousands of Japanese citizens were imprisoned because they were...well, Japanese.
We went through a crushing depression.
Our country has always survived. The problem is that it is made up of people like you and me.
Bush is just like you and me. What would you do in his position? What would you do if you were head of Homeland Security and facing the very real threat of terrorism?
I just don't think there is a vast conspiracy to destroy America. I think we should always be vigilant...but not paranoid.
Our country is far from perfect because people are far from perfect.
Originally posted by Redge777
reply to post by undo
Your point assumes that the police and military go along with a dictatorial crack down. Education is key so if we do slide into the abyss the police and military will do as they are sworn, and protect the constitution. This is also why dictators set up private armies, as the speaker in the film mentioned, Blackwater now has Billion dollar inside the USA contract.
“This country is lost and technically does not exist when Bush signed the "The North American Union Treaty" back in 2005. The only guy to talk about it on one show then was Lou Dobbs.
The sad thing is I know that most Americans are aware of this but feel we can do nothing about it. God only knows how many times I've written to my congressman and senators and that does not do any good. I usually get a scripted response saying "we are doing everything we can which is why I support bill blah blah blah."
I can go on and on, but I am only saying what most Americans already know. It's like we are just hoping the next narcissistic nut case will be a better president, and chances are good.
Bush did do his job, he did what he was elected to do for the corporations and the elite rich people who want more money and power. He made his buddies and friends rich and now it's almost time for him to leave.
I can only hope most Americans will remember this awful experience and learn from it. But I doubt it.
“You had said, “Some are guilty. Some are innocent. They should be tried.” and of course, Podia. Even conservatives that supported the Bush administration, law and order types, very concerned about this guy that you can throw in jail, not give him an attorney, not giving him any kind of constitutional protections, but they we’re finally forced to give him a trial and, he was found guilty.”
-Morning Joe, MSNBC new
“That’s right.”
-Wolf
“So the question is, why are they afraid of sunlight, who said sunlight is the best disinfectant it is?”
-Morning Joe, MSNBC new
“It is in a democracy, that’s right. But when people are trying to shift a, and you know, I have to use very harsh words. When people are trying to shift a system into something less than a democracy, into another kind of regime, sunlight is the enemy. The point is that, what happened to Jose Podia, could happen to any one of [us]“
-Wolf