Women need to shut up and sit down

I think a suitable reply would be a counter-thread with the opposite title and a wish to not offend the male population. So far the women here seem to be apologizing. "Women should be permitted to work (with an I think added). This isn't on the table. The majority citizen is saying shut up and sit down. Theres no I think here. This anti-woman propaganda aint going anywhere. Take it off planet please.

reply to post by mystiq


I personally would like to see the Republic restored instead of constantly hearing about democracy which means MOB RULES and not what the USA is all about.In this regard it is you who sounds misleading
A Republics purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.
I also don't need to hear from you what I can think or say. I'm afraid it's you who sounds like a Nazi.
Abusive relationship are irrelevant and really have no bearing on this issue as far as I can see. They would be present regardless thats the animal in people. It's unfortunate but I'm not really sure what your saying here.

I think a suitable reply would be a counter-thread with the opposite title and a wish to not offend the male population. So far the women here seem to be apologizing. "Women should be permitted to work (with an I think added). This isn't on the table. The majority citizen is saying shut up and sit down. Theres no I think here. This anti-woman propaganda aint going anywhere. Take it off planet please.

reply to post by mystiq


I think you should read this thread from the beginning. your off the mark on whats being discussed here.

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reply to post by LDragonFire


" Women need to shut up and sit down "


I like that title!

I think it was archie bunker who said, "the husband is the capitain and the wife is the first mate, when the capitain says shove off, she shoves" ..

archie, when men were men, and not trendy pansies...

Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by mystiq

 

I personally would like to see the Republic restored instead of constantly hearing about democracy which means MOB RULES and not what the USA is all about.In this regard it is you who sounds misleading
A Republics purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.
I also don't need to hear from you what I can think or say. I'm afraid it's you who sounds like a Nazi.
Abusive relationship are irrelevant and really have no bearing on this issue as far as I can see. They would be present regardless thats the animal in people. It's unfortunate but I'm not really sure what your saying here.

And your point in this particular thing is?????? This thread is called "Women should shut up and sit down". And all your points that you seem to be bringing up to attack me, WHO IS BY THE WAY INCREDIBLY OFFENDED BY THIS ANTI_WOMEN THREAD WHICH BY THE WAY VIOLATES THAT CONSTITUTION YOU MENTIONED AS WOMEN ARE PEOPLE IN THE FULL LEGAL SENSE TOO. You just spoke mumbo jumbo stuff there.

Originally posted by Swingarm

I think a suitable reply would be a counter-thread with the opposite title and a wish to not offend the male population. So far the women here seem to be apologizing. "Women should be permitted to work (with an I think added). This isn't on the table. The majority citizen is saying shut up and sit down. Theres no I think here. This anti-woman propaganda aint going anywhere. Take it off planet please.

reply to post by mystiq

 

I think you should read this thread from the beginning. your off the mark on whats being discussed here.

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Actually, I read the opening and all the pages of comments. In Church or out of Church, in the concept of religion or government or society, and the things said have touched on much, this is still not a proper topic and should be taken off planet. There is no proper way to bring up such ugly things as inequality and injustice. And no, theres no where on this planet that I will shut up and sit down.

Originally posted by mystiq
There is no proper way to bring up such ugly things as inequality and injustice.

sure there is; It's called "talking about it", like we are . . .

And no, theres no where on this planet that I will shut up and sit down.

Yet you're telling the OP and the people contributing to this thread to do so . . .

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Originally posted by justamomma




i am all for women being treated fairly and w/ respect. but how is our culture that much better off? men are getting tired of women nagging and women are now having to pick up the slack for both genders. how has this liberated me as a female? how am i liberated when everytime i turn around i am being treated by various men as a sex object when, having to maintain all the gender roles in this family, i feel like ANYTHING BUT a sex object. this is the great goal of this movement?

had i understood my role as a woman, i could have made better choices. i am still responsible for my choices, but i just would like to see both sides of the issue getting out there more.

if a woman wants to have it all and w/ the support of her husband can do that, than more power to her!! but this mentality that we CAN do it all is bs!! some can and some have......... i can not. i recognize my limitations, but i have had to learn at a VERY high cost!!

i just want to see more women educated on ALL the sides of the issue.

you can make better choices for your end goal when you are better educated and able to understand your nature as a female.












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my dear....
my great grand mother "had to do it all" when her husband died falling off a roof he was putting up.
my grandmother "had to do it all" when her husband up and decided to split on her.
and my mother "had to do it all" when my dad's income just couldn't make ends meet.
and, I had to "do it all" to give my husband a break from working 60 hours every week to earn just enough to keep us alive!
I really don't think the feminist movement caused this, it's a direct result of it! If I have to go out everyday and earn that little paycheck that I do, then why should I also have to come home and take orders from my husband, work my tail off to make sure his home is all nice and comfy, be the sole caretaker of the kids, and all the other crap! He's sitting the one the coach, if he wants his ashtray dumped, he knows where the trash can is, if he wants his beer, he knows where the refrigerator is, if he thinks the house is a mess.....he can get up and help clean it! otherwise, well, I'll do what I can, in the priority that I have chosen!
we were never liberated....that is the problem. we were instead bribed! if we were liberated, men would have stepped up to the plate and shouldered part of our responsibility also, thus freeing us to earn a living for ourselves, instead of being dependant on men. child support would have been enforced long before it became such a costly nuisance! If we were liberated, it would natural to assume that you would be responsible for your own bills, your own expenses in life, and half of your children's expenses. and your husband would be responsible for the same. and your children's care and nurturing would be the responsibility of both of yous also. the pay scales would have been equalized a long time ago to make this possible. there would be a much smaller social service network in this country because their wouldn't be so many women and children to prop up! but, alas, we were bribed instead, we all know you women can't do it, so here's your check, now go back to your homes, your kids, and leave us men alone to do what we've always done....which is basically exploit yous....
which is what they are doing! they are exploiting women big time now. the companies hire them for rediculous pay that won't even pay the rent, and then.....well....it is us, the taxpayer that will actaully pay them the living wage that they deserve! so, now we actually have couples out there, both of the working hard in both the homefront and the workplace....and it is we, the taxpayers, that are helping pay their way! the companies are claiming "record profits" while our government and our citizens are billions in debt!
sit down with your ex....figure out just how much it would cost both of yous to live, what the kid's expenses amount to, and well, divide it in half....
that is your share. but don't think that I am gonna be stressed out trying to run a household and take charge of three kids 24 four hours a day while hubby is working from dusk till dawn and still not making enough to provide for those three kids a day. I ain't, I'll leave him his half of the homefront duties, and go get me a job, thank you! at least then, we can eat and have a roof over our heads. and, yes, while I am working.....I expect a wage that will at least keep me and pay half of the expenses for my kids. Never got it, but I will still bug the bosses from time to time for it. This is what my responsibility is as I see it.


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Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by mystiq

 

Abusive relationship are irrelevant and really have no bearing on this issue as far as I can see. They would be present regardless thats the animal in people. It's unfortunate but I'm not really sure what your saying here.

to strip any legal standing that women have managed to achieve in the last hundred plus years would make them powerless to protect themselves from such abuse! absolute power corrupts absolutely! there would be more abuse if men knew that the women didn't have any alternative than to take it!
and isn't it a bit much to think that a women should give up her personal soverienty, her voice in the world, her desires and goals.....just for men to play an active role in their children's lives anyways?

reply to post by justamomma

i am really thinking we are either living in two different societies or you are seeing things as you want to see them.

(taking off rose tinted glasses) I don't know what you mean

Seriously though,i do agree with a lot of what you say.The women you describe exist,as do the women i've described.

My objection is your belief that you think a man has better mental capabilities.As i said earlier,the human brain is exactly the same for both sexes therefore we can both grasp,learn,rationalize,understand and teach the same thing.

Going back a few pages you'll see i quoted the Bible;we are all created equally.And as this thread is about the Bible,it has to be asked,why was this ignored and women (along with non-whites) treated as unintelligent and weak willed people for so long.Especially when it goes against Jesus' teachings.









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reply to post by Swingarm

You don't think woman can reach their full potential as wives and mothers? I guess it's all in how important the end result of your efforts within family are perceived. To raise a free thinking strong child should be the goal of every family yet it is getting harder to achieve this. don't you think?

As i said,its a myth that all women want to be married with kids.Men like Makow believe they do because for most of history no other oppertunity was open to them.

Its also a myth that feminism and homosexuality are making it more difficult for families to exist.You can be a feminist and a mother.Homosexuals may not be able to have families the more natural way,but that doesn't mean they oppose families or the importance of the family unit.

If people want to raise kids in the manner you described then they should.Many families manage to do this.

Originally posted by jakyll
the human brain is exactly the same for both sexes therefore we can both grasp,learn,rationalize,understand and teach the same thing.

i can play basketball;






exactly like Michael Jordan.~

not even close.

Going back a few pages you'll see i quoted the Bible;we are all created equally. And as this thread is about the Bible,it has to be asked,why was this ignored and women (along with non-whites) treated as unintelligent and weak willed people for so long.Especially when it goes against Jesus' teachings.

Please . . . find me the passage in the bible where it literally says this. . .

I'm fairly certain that the bible makes no mention of everyone having equal intelligence, strength, endurance or anything else that is measurable . . . Because if it were the case; anyone who wants to disprove the bible should come to my house and meet my uncle Michael. He has Down Syndrome, and he was born with it.

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reply to post by dawnstar


Your situation was how it was for my parents.

My mum lightened my dads burden by getting a job.He lightened her burden by helping round the house.

Does anybody think this is unfair?

Its all well and good saying women shouldn't take on men's roles,but most families can't live on the income of the husband alone.






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reply to post by JPhish


Galatians 3:26-29

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Probably not literal enough for you right?

I've already said that we are not equal in body strength etc.But our brains are the same.

There have been many notable people with downs syndrome who have achieved wonderful things.

God has a purpose when he created every one of us....
we screwed it up when we began mandating what the purpose was. if we were all fullfilling the purposes God intended for us to play...well, we would all be equal in regards of the importance of the role we were playing. if God has destined a man or woman to do something that is out of the realm of what man says God has mandated for them....who is man to say he is wrong?

go through history, point to me one time where we all clicked together as God intended us to.....
there isn't one.
there's always someone telling someone else that they shouldn't be doing what they think they should be doing and forcing them to do something they don't want to be doing.
obviously, none of the old ways were the right ways!

Originally posted by jakyll
reply to post by JPhish

 

Galatians 3:26-29

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

My rough Translation:
You are all servants of G*d through your belief in the teachings of J.C. .
Many of you whom have learned the ways of J.C. have attempted to live by them.
No matter what or who you are, and without any money or offerings; if you live by the ways of J.C. , G*d makes the same promise he made to you as he did Abraham and his descendants

Probably not literal enough for you right?

Definitely not, because that passage does not even hint that we are all equals.

I've already said that we are not equal in body strength etc.But our brains are the same.

As I alluded to with the Michael Jordan analogy; are brains aren’t the same either my friend.

There have been many notable people with downs syndrome who have achieved wonderful things.

My uncle is a far better person than I’ll probably ever be. But never would I consider him my mental equal.

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reply to post by dawnstar

to strip any legal standing that women have managed to achieve in the last hundred plus years would make them powerless to protect themselves from such abuse! absolute power corrupts absolutely! there would be more abuse if men knew that the women didn't have any alternative than to take it!

Huh? Nobody wants to strip any rights from anybody? Looks like your digging a trench and getting ready for battle.

This is all about people and families coming back to function in a way that is more beneficial for the family unit and children in particular.If a woman wants to work in no way am I suggesting she shouldn't. My beef is with the agenda that is completely changing the idea of the family unit into something nowhere as strong as it was previously. My beef is with the radical feminist agenda perverting the minds of young women and men to the point that dysfunction is pretty much assured.

Woman always have an alternative than to take abuse. Please don't blame men for this. Their are many good men that wouldn't dream of hitting a woman, even after being hit by a woman.

Woman should go to college they should learn skills to grow. They
shouldn't go based on the premise that they must so that when the divorce comes they will be prepared. Woman that consider being wives and mothers are nothing less than baby making machines and servants is perverting an idea that creates dissension well before the woman is in that position. It is establishing this role as unworthy and equating it to being a failure. I can tell you men are not the enemy here. We love woman we want intelligent woman to have families with to enjoy life with to bring up strong healthy free thinking people with. If you think the feminist movement isn't manipulating woman with homosexual ideas and trying to dismantle and disgrace the the nuclear family than we could argue about this issue for several days, weeks even.

Your free will is your free will. Men don't want to take this from you. The union of family should dictate the rolls so that the best results for the family unit are achieved. There is always self sacrifice in a family, it's not the idea that your being short changed , although I think many feminist are coming from this place and feel that it's a trick to short change woman
Don't let those bastards trick you into being baby making machine because you deserve better than that. Yikes I wouldn't touch a woman like that with a ten foot pole. Many men i suspect feel the same as I. What you end up with are woman and men That still want to get laid but don't really want to take it further. If they do if they follow the line of thinking discussed from the feminist perspective failure is often assured.

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reply to post by mystiq



" I think a suitable reply would be a counter-thread with the opposite title and a wish to not offend the male population. "

oh please, tell me you're a woman and not a de-clawed male!



"The majority citizen is saying shut up and sit down."

only because they are brainwashed like you


"This anti-woman propaganda aint going anywhere."

wrong again chief, there's nothing anti-woman about it.



There was a REASON, for the male and female roles, and there still is.

men and women are NOT EQUALS!!!! and ya better get over it and figure out who is lying to you and WHY!

men can NEVER have BABIES and

women can NEVER get a man PREGNANT

that's just for starters.

I REFUSE to just go along quietly with the rest of the very brainwashed new age male population who have been peer pressured/socialized into this new age move towards OPPRESSION, and being permanently stopped from righting wrongs due to limitations on speech.

I'll cite 2 things, there is no evolution, only an evolution movement which is a manipulation of facts to suit

the agenda of a global government and global religion [earth love ]

And the male female relationship worked pretty well for about 6000 years,

and there is a good reason for it, that's the way the Creator set it up.

so, your complaint is with Him, not me.




And getting back just for a sec to that comment about being offended.

I'M OFFENDED at your comments and those who make those type of comments,

so NOW WHAT? where do we go from here wiseguy? we're both offended!!! [ in falsetto; gee willikers, what do we do now..] as if this was some kind of REAL dilemma, which it is not.

I suppose we just go away and stop talking right? bercause ,sheesh, gee we just can't be OFFENDING people, why, what would everyone think?!?!?!

See how STUPID that is? WE can't get to TRUTH, if we don't have the freedom to speak our minds!

politically correct/hate speech laws/beliefs are the enemy of free speech and of truth [ why on earth would you buy into this crap?]

nobody can FIX this FOR US, no governmental agency, no authority figure, no restrictive laws, nobody but just you and I. get it?



we may end up just agreeing to disagree...if so, so be it



you and everyone else better wake up to what's really going on before it's too late to reverse the insane trend .



and in spite of what you think, "your" progressive modern "beliefs" were created to help destroy

the fabric of society, the family unit and the natural order of things.[ nice goin' ]



have a nice day, in spite of what you've been talked into believing..

reply to post by worldwatcher

It's not just the bible and Christianity that portrays women in a subservient role, Islam and Hinduism does the same. Hindu scriptures even calls for a married woman to throw herself on her husband's funeral pryre Funny how we Hindus, men and women alike can worship a female deity, yet treat women as second class citizens.

You are a wise woman. You raise a very good point ,that religious dogma like the feminist movement has perverted peoples ideas about marriage and the roles man and woman play within it. It's the extreme beliefs that fuel either side thats makes common ground disappear and group polarization is the result . The goddess tradition woman held before Christianity came on the scene needs to be reinstated starting with the husband.

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This has got to be the Number One Funniest
Thread Titles That I have seen on Forums....
Ever.......

I bet this title alone has sent some women off the deep end!!
Why don't women like being told to shutup?
Is it only women that can give rules? Take out the trash... do the dishes.. BAH...