Chemtrail education thread

Not to rain on anyones parade but having a high alt chemtrail is rather inefficient. Should you wish to disperse a chem agent at lets say FL37 - FL41 the amount required to have sufficient concentration's to effect the population with a desired effect would negate its use. All chemical dispersal methods whether used in agriculture or warfare require low altitude dispersal. Even when the US gov was experimenting with cloud seeding back in the 1950's it was done at low altitude.

Not saying that they might have a use for such "chemtrails" it just seems unlikely that they would do so.

Originally posted by pstrron
Even when the US gov was experimenting with cloud seeding back in the 1950's it was done at low altitude.

Indeed Cloud seeding naturally take place at much lower altitudes than those at which 'chemtrails' are typically seen. There's a good reason for this: rain clouds form at much lower altitudes.

Thus, we can be sure that 'chemtrails' are not involved in either causing nor preventing rainfall (another of the claims some chemtrailers make)

Hi

This is only my second post, so please be patient.

Walking back from taking my son to school the other morning, I looked up to the sky and saw, what looked like a little round rainbow in the clouds, I thought "wow thats looks real nice", I took my phone out of my pocket and took a quick pic of it. It wasn't untill I read this thread, and looked at some of the pictures in the links, that I had a look at my picture and realized that there are a couple of 'contrails' or 'chemtrails' in it.

Could this be one of these EDB rainbows.
The picture isn't mega clear, its only a 2mp camera, but the sun is actually behind the building on the left, and the rainbow bit is in the centre.

Whoops, how do I upload the picture? I knew this was going to be harder than i thought!

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You can create a free account at photobucket.com and after that the instructions are all there.

Oh, by the way, rainbows are actually circular. The horizon just usually gets in the way and chops it up into a bow.

Edit: Oh yeah, welcome to ATS

[edit on 10-10-2007 by Beachcoma]

Ok, I uploaded it to photo bucket, so now I just have to figure out which link to put on here...




Well that looks kind of long, hope it works!

Thanks for the welcome

I did what it said on photobucket, and it didn't work!

Which do I use, the IMG code?

Sorry for these short annoying posts, I will get better, promise

Yeaahhhh.... Did it! lol.

Ok now you've seen the photo (and it really doesn't do it justice, the colours were much more vibrant the naked eye), what does everyone think. Just a normal weather pic? or is there something weird here?

Oh and thanks for your patience!

Not a bad shot ceekay I've adjusted the contrast a bit to make the sundog stand out a bit better




Autumn is always a good time for sundogs, here's a couple I captured last week, the first walking into work in the morning and the second (the brightest I've ever seen) taken in the late afternoon from the window of a car (hence not a very well composed shot

Ahhh... so it's a sundog. I have heard of them, but never seen one before.
Well at least I won't drop dead from inhaling chemicals,


By the way, that second shot of yours is beautiful! I would like to see one like that.

Thanks.

It's surprising how few people ever notice sundogs - I'd guess most of the UK population have never seen one. But then, who but a few of us weather geeks, spends their time constantly scanning the sky? I reckon I must see dozens every year....

Not surprising then that people wonder what the h*ll it is when they notice one for the first time

without getting into a debate about the whole idea of "chemtrails". I just thought I'd point out that in my youth(1980s) I remember contrails being a common site here in the skies of Michigan. The weird thing is, they're not anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw one. Any ideas for an explanation for this. Chemtrails or Contrails, either way, why would that change?

thanks in advance.

Originally posted by depth om
When there was an inch of water in the glass, I noticed white/gray strands, filaments floating in the water. I got another, different glass, same thing happened.

If the government was placing stands of filament into the sky, don’t you think it would cause a rash of engine failures and emergency landings for other aircraft?
Its well know that things such as ash from volcanoes can kill both jet and prop engines deader then a doornail, so what would these fibers and particulates they’re releasing do to an engine?

Point is that there is nothing to Chemtails, other then the fact it is an internet hoax, and not one that was very well thought out by the original author.

Originally posted by ceekay
Ahhh... so it's a sundog. I have heard of them, but never seen one before.
Well at least I won't drop dead from inhaling chemicals,

You think that is interesting, check out this set of sundogs with connecting halo..
video.mail.ru...
Pretty neat stuff.

Originally posted by random hero
without getting into a debate about the whole idea of "chemtrails". I just thought I'd point out that in my youth(1980s) I remember contrails being a common site here in the skies of Michigan. The weird thing is, they're not anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw one. Any ideas for an explanation for this. Chemtrails or Contrails, either way, why would that change?

thanks in advance.

Cause who wants to fly to Michigan anymore…
Just kidding, but I am allowed to kid about my old hometown. I always tell folks down here that Michigan is a great place to be from, the further I am from it the better it is…

Anyway, its most likely shifts in air travel, at least over your local area. I know I just answered a chemtrail question posed the other day by someone in traverse city claiming they had more contrails then before, so maybe its just a local thing. Michigan is also in something of an economic slump over the last few years, which has most likely decreased the air travel in the Detroit Metro area.

Originally posted by defcon5
Michigan is also in something of an economic slump over the last few years,

That's putting it mildly. The second I can find some sucker..I mean nice person to buy my house I'm getting the hell out of here.

True Chemtrail education.

And so we come to the final nail in the coffin of the chemtrail hoax.
The final nail is private pilots.
Anyone can become one, though I have yet to see a chemtrailer that would bother to educate themselves to such a point, as it would eradicate them of their fantasy, and make them face too much hard fact.

The facts are that what chemtrail fanatics claim, would not be viable to hide from private pilots. First off, if the government was creating an aerial visual obstruction, they would have to warn private pilots of that factor. Secondly, aircraft have air-cooled engines, and particulate matter would cause the engine to seize up, causing a second aerial hazard. In order for the government to be spraying particulate matter into the atmosphere, they would have to issue a warning to the private pilots operating in that area, and it would not be a secret.

The hard truth on the Chemtrail hoax is that folks have respiratory problems for one of two reasons, first being hereditary, second being environment. Environment meaning: that it comes from being subjected to things such as cigarette smoke, not due to the government playing hoodo-voodo on the atmosphere. I have been U2U’ed by a number of folks here that are experiencing medical maladies which they would rather attribute to some government mischief then to accept the hard facts that folks have respiratory issues without the help of chemtrails. People catch colds, people are born with weak lungs, people are exposed to other chemical particulates such as cigarette smoke. Beyond normal pollution, none of this comes from aircraft.

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Thats not a rainbow or a sundog, what you've got there is called Irisation. This normally happens in mid level clouds such as Alto Cumulus and is a good indicator used by us to determine the cloud type and height

Hope this helps

Ooops

Should correct myself and say it also happens in high clouds too, how embaressing........

I was wondering if one of the Chemtrail "experts" can show us where exactly on a jet (picking any type) they (whoever they is) is loading the dangerous chemicals that are being dispersed upon the victims (that would be me and you and my military husband)? And then how is it dispersed? From a button w/in the cockpit? Is it voice activated in some secret corner of the the military base?

And who exactly is loading this onto the military jets...since only certain individuals are even allowed to be around the jet on the flightline?

I'm just curious...actually my husband is....he isn't into forums, so he wont sit here and type it all out (I'm the forum geek in the family).

Thanks....this will help further my "education" on the Chemtrail facination

[edit on 14-10-2007 by greeneyedleo]

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At this point they normally start blaming it on fuel additives.
Of course, they don’t have the sense to understand that the fuel is filtered on the truck, and in the engine, as the airlines are that afraid of contaminating their engines.

Lets not mention that the fuel density has remained the same since the late 80’s.
Lets not even begin to mention that they can go buy a gallon of Jet-A from most airports and test it themselves.

This all hurts their delusions.