Islamic Prejudice: Christians

I frequently hear Islam referred to as the 'religion of peace'. That even goes so far as our school system, at least my daughter's History Teacher, referring to it that way. Yet, God forbid, very little if anything about Christianity is taught (I've got 3 daughters, ranging in age from 12 to 18).

The other day, while waiting for a parent/teacher conference (being held in the gym), my 12 year old is naming off the flags and which country they belong to (the gymnasium has the flags of many nations of the world hanging from the rafters of the ceiling). She came across a green one, with squiggly writing on it, and a large sword (Saudi Arabia's). I SWEAR this is the way the conversation went:

"Dad, Saudi Arabia is in the Middle East"
'Yup'
"Is it Muslim?"
'Yup'
"Then why is there a big sword on their flag?"
'What do you mean?'
"My history teacher says that the Muslim people practice the religion of peace. Why does Saudi Arabia have a big sword on their flag?"

'Ask your history teacher that question'

[edit on 6-10-2007 by CreeWolf]

reply to post by astmonster


Read This

Read that and you will understand that Islam teaches peace and not death. I am Christian, and to me it looks as if you are prejudice towards Islam. Make peace with other people rather then segmenting us by religion.

There are similarities and differences between Islam and Christianity.

1. Muslims say they believe in the laws of Moses.
2. They believe a prophet can not lie and that Jesus was a prophet.
3. The same can be said for the Christians.

Now too the Muslim, if you believe in the laws of Moses then keep them. If you truly believe a prophet can not lie and that Jesus was a prophet, then why don't you do what he said?

Now too the Christians, if you truly believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior then do what he said!!! Love God above all else and your neighbor as yourself. Don't play coy and ask "Who's my neighbor"? Everyone on the whole planet is your neighbor.

Please show me in scripture (Bible) where it says that you have the right to torture, maim, kill, steal from, beat on, ridicule, talk evil or curse anyone. Christians are explicitly told to "Bless and curse not". The majority that claim to be Christians are about as much a Christian as my dog. Most likely the same could be said for the Muslims also.

Just remember "Christians", on the day of judgment when you come before the Lord Jesus and say Lord, Lord and He asks you; "why do you call me Lord and did not do what I said?". Then don't be surprised when He tells you "depart from me you workers of iniquity too the place reserved for the devil and his angels".

You might be wondering if I am a Christian or something else. I am a Christian and I believe there is only one way to heaven and that we are to love God above all else and my neighbor as myself. Am I perfect, nope, do I make mistakes, yep sure do but I do not hate anyone. I would like for everyone to have eternal life but thats not my department. I can reason with people but the choice is up to you. I wont force you to change your opinion/belief. Please remember, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

Originally posted by CreeWolf
I frequently hear Islam referred to as the 'religion of peace'. That even goes so far as our school system, at least my daughter's History Teacher, referring to it that way. Yet, God forbid, very little if anything about Christianity is taught (I've got 3 daughters, ranging in age from 12 to 18).

The other day, while waiting for a parent/teacher conference (being held in the gym), my 12 year old is naming off the flags and which country they belong to (the gymnasium has the flags of many nations of the world hanging from the rafters of the ceiling). She came across a green one, with squiggly writing on it, and a large sword (Saudi Arabia's). I SWEAR this is the way the conversation went:

"Dad, Saudi Arabia is in the Middle East"
'Yup'
"Is it Muslim?"
'Yup'
"Then why is there a big sword on their flag?"
'What do you mean?'
"My history teacher says that the Muslim people practice the religion of peace. Why does Saudi Arabia have a big sword on their flag?"

'Ask your history teacher that question'

[edit on 6-10-2007 by CreeWolf]

It could be just a cultural thing, the sword, that is. I believe the scimitar was used by the Arabs even before Islam...yes, most likely.

Note that there are ceremonial swords used all over.

Originally posted by astmonster
reply to post by madnessinmysoul

 

errr, Christianity is about Love, Islam is about POWER

haha!
yea... look at the NT, it's not about love, it's about subjugation of women, homophobia, antisemitism(well, only part of it), retribution, and absolutist ideology.

read revelations, it's a big ol' power trip for christians.

reply to post by grover


So if one has a different opinion of a subject, that equals HATE? If one tells the truth about a lie, that is also HATE? Where did I say I hated anyone? Perhaps it is you who is filled with hate...............

It is typical to be called a "hater" when one has a point of view different from your own? Very sad, very sad.

Pity the terrorist that are Islam, for they shall perish in the lake of fire...

Pity Islam for unless they repent they too shall perish in the lake of fire.

Pity those who wait for the rapture, for they follow satan into the lake of fire also.

It will be the 12th who declares himself "god" under the dome of the rock.....soon to be cast into the lake of fire.

reply to post by Equinox99



Yes, I am prejudice toward all false religions.

Keep the 7th day sabbath, the commandments, the 7 annual holy days, worship the God or Abraham, Issac, Moses, believe Christ is the son of God who died for YOUR sins, and accept the Holy Spirit.

reply to post by astmonster


The depth and breath of your applied ignorance is breath taking. It is obvious that you hate because you are willing to condemn a billion people as terrorists and false just because they follow a religion that you not only know nothing about, but refuse to be educated about either.

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by astmonster

 

The depth and breath of your applied ignorance is breath taking. It is obvious that you hate because you are willing to condemn a billion people as terrorists and false just because they follow a religion that you not only know nothing about, but refuse to be educated about either.

I condem no one, it is they who condem themselves by denying Christ is the messiah. It is their own ignorance and actions that condem their future. I know significant details of Islam.

Consider this....
God � The Koran asserts that the god of Islam is the God of Christians and Jews (Sura 29:46). Nothing could be farther from the truth.7

The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary (Sura 5:40). Allah is unknowable whereas the God of the Bible is knowable (2 Timothy 1:12). Allah is impersonal, unlike the personal God the Scriptures reveal (1 Peter 5:6-7). Allah is unitarian (Sura 4:48) whereas the God of the Bible is trinitarian (2 Corinthians 13:14). Here is what the Koran says about the God of the Bible (Sura 4:171): �Believe in Allah and say not �Trinity.� Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son.�

Allah is capricious (Sura 2:284), whereas the true God is trustworthy. And Allah is never anywhere presented as a god of love � which is the essence of the nature of the true God (1 John 4:7-16).

Jesus � The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died (Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam. Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina.8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than �an apostle of Allah� (Sura 4:171).
Source: The Truth About Islam Dr. David R. Reagan


"

Since your source is not exactly unbiased, indeed is deeply prejudiced against Islam, it is not a valid source. Try going to the Quran and finding the passages that support your claim because right now all you are doing is proving your prejudices.

reply to post by grover


So unless I quote the source of the lies to disprove the liar, it doesn't count? Silly concept. The source I used has both Bible and Qur'an verses quoted.

The facts stand on thier own. You choose not to listen or understand, it is your loss..................

reply to post by astmonster


If you don't understand going to the source as opposed to citing a biased third party then there is no point in discussing it further because you don't want a dialog, you just want to vent your prejudices.

reply to post by grover



Yet again you run for cover. Several posts ago if this were a discussion, you would have rebutted the specific quotes from the Qur'an and Bible rather that throw insults and stones.

The fact is you can't dispute the facts, so typically you attack the source. The data is pretty plain and easy.

Prove the data false, if you can.

"BEGINNING OF MUHAMMAD'S VIOLENCE
Just prior to Muhammad's leaving for Medina, he received a "revelation" allowing him to fight the Meccans. He knew that in Medina, he had a group of armed men who would support him. Furthermore, in Medina, would be more distant from the Meccans and their attempts to oppress or kill him. The following is from "The Life of Muhammad", page 212, by A. Guillaume, which is a rendering of Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah", a biography of Muhammad written by an early Muslim scholar [1].

"THE APOSTLE RECEIVES THE ORDER TO FIGHT
The apostle had not been given permission to fight or allowed to shed blood before the second Aqaba [a place where a pledge was made between Muhammad and his followers from Medina]. He had simply been ordered to call men to God and to endure insult and forgive the ignorant. The Quraysh [a leading group of Meccans] had persecuted his followers, seducing some from their religion and exiling others from their country. They had to choose whether to give up their religion, be maltreated at home, or to flee the country, some to Abyssinia, others to Medina.
When Quraysh became insolent towards God and rejected His gracious purpose, accused His prophet of lying, and ill treated and exiled those who served Him and proclaimed His unity, believed in His prophet and held fast to His religion, He gave permission to His apostle to fight and to protect himself against those who wronged them and treated them badly......[a]
The meaning is "I have allowed them to fight only because they have been unjustly treated while their sole offense against men has been that they worship God. When they are in the ascendant they will establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and forbid iniquity, i.e., the prophet and his companions all of them." Then God sent down to him: "Fight them so that there be no more seduction," i.e. until no believer is seduced from his religion. "And the religion is God's,", i.e. Until God alone is worshipped."

END OF QUOTE
[Note: two passages from the Quran are referenced: [a] Sura 22:39-41, which I did not quote, and Sura 2:193]

Two critical points here:

1) in Mecca, where Muhammad was weak, he attacked no one. He only preached his religion and insulted the Meccan's religions. But it was just prior to his leaving for Medina, where he had a limited amount of armed men to support him, that he received this "revelation" and began to use violence to further his desires. Islamic history shows that as Muslims grew in power their forms of violence changed from criminal terrorism to outright warfare.

2) At the end of the quote, it says that Muslims are to fight those who do not worship Allah.

Eventually, good fortune fell into Muhammad's lap and just as in Adolph Hitler's case, his persistence paid off. A group of feuding Arabs in Medina accepted him as their prophet. They hoped he could help them maintain peace. They eventually made a pledge to support Muhammad in war against the Quraysh [Guillaume, op cit, page 205]. Now Muhammad knew he had an able and armed following. It was only when he had a following who could defend themselves, and his people were migrating north to Medina, and that he knew he was going to leave town, that suddenly "Allah" gave Muhammad his "revelation" to fight. Muhammad's circumstances changed, and Muhammad's Allah changed with them. Muhammad went from being only a "warner" to being an aggressor.

answering-islam.org.uk...

reply to post by astmonster


Considering the fact that you are citing sources that are blatantly biased against Islam right from the get go...

... the not so subtle comparing Muhammad to Hitler is a prime example....

....there is nothing to debate since it is already obvious if I were to do as you ask and quote verse and line, you would still discount it.

Case in point Muhammad's revelation about fighting the Meccans... you leave out the fact that the Meccan leadership was trying to destroy Muhammad and Islam because they saw it a threat to their business interests and by the time he fled to Medina he had already sent many of his followers, most notably women and over to Africa out of harms way, and that Muhammad and his remaining followers all but escaped with their lives.

You deliberately leave all that context out.

You also leave out the fact that the insulted religion of Mecca was one of Idol worship and paganism whereas Muhammad and Islam are strict monotheists as is Judaism and Christianity.


[edit on 6-10-2007 by grover]

reply to post by astmonster


So you say it's a false religion because your religion proves it's a false religion because it doesn't worship your prophet.

If you ask a Jew if Moses or Abraham worships Jesus, what will they say? And yet Moses and Abraham will go to heaven, right?

For your info, the "son" of God is a title given to many people in the Bible, including land too. It is continuously mistranslated as "son of God" when the original word used is "servant" of God. Also, the "Messiah" is a concept that has existed before Christianity, and belongs to the Jews. Telling the Jews that they're wrong about their own philosophy and using their own philosophy to deem someone Christians view as God as the new Messiah only distances tolerance between faiths.

It doesn't sound like you know much about Christian history. As odd as this is going to sound, study Christian history and you will know more about Islam. You say the God of Christians is trinitarian yet if you looked at the original followers, you will see that most are Unitarian. Because of Paul's/Saul's teachings (who I may say never even met Jesus), Christianity had to incorporate trinitarian beliefs, which later caused the Council of Nicea to hold a vote to determine if Christianity should be Trinitarian or Unitarian. They voted Trinitarian by a few more votes, and burned and killed off all Unitarian followers, books, and anything that references this.

Many years later a passage was added to the Bible to trick people into believing the Bible always referred to Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit as one. This passage is known as "Comma Johanneum." Even now Christian scholars know this was added in the 1500s, they still allowed it to stay.

[edit on 6-10-2007 by DJMessiah]

Going to have to go with DJMessiah on this one, he is correct.

Using one religion to disprove another religion is very arrogant.

Originally posted by Kacen
Going to have to go with DJMessiah on this one, he is correct.

Using one religion to disprove another religion is very arrogant.

Its not arrogant, its the beliefs of the people in their particular religion. In a way its just like science. Science will use one particular theory to prove or disprove another theory.

[edit on 6-10-2007 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

reply to post by DJMessiah


You site Roman Catholic doctorine as a source? The catholic church itself is pagan. It has nothing to do with Christianity after Constantine.

Christmas and Easter are both pagan.

Islam was started only 1500 years ago as a means to power and to destroy Jews and Christ. To lead many astray.

Originally posted by Kacen
Using one religion to disprove another religion is very arrogant.

There is no need to disprove Islam, it disproves itself daily in Iraq, Iran, Afganistain, Pakistan...etc. Fear those who would place you in second class. Or deem you a witch as an "Ilumminati". They don't treat either well..................

reply to post by astmonster


What you talking about?
'Don't believe in my god and goto hell' is just as stupid

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
Its not arrogant, its the beliefs of the people in their particular religion. In a way its just like science. Science will use one particular theory to prove or disprove another theory.

Science is not the same as religion. Science has evidence, religion doesn't.

[edit on 6-10-2007 by AncientVoid]