How Do We Know That THe Bible, Old Testiment, And The Torah Are True?

How Do We Know That THe Bible, Old Testiment, And The Torah Are True?
I mean if i were to write a book saying that all of these amazing things happened like turning water to wine and that kind of stuuf and some one from the future read it wouldn't that make me as reliable as the people that wrote the bible? What if they were all just stories? written by someone with an imagination, they throw in a few facts from that era to make it sound true. just a thought that i've been having for a few weeks now.

Originally posted by coryblood
How Do We Know That THe Bible, Old Testiment, And The Torah Are True?
I mean if i were to write a book saying that all of these amazing things happened like turning water to wine and that kind of stuuf and some one from the future read it wouldn't that make me as reliable as the people that wrote the bible? What if they were all just stories? written by someone with an imagination, they throw in a few facts from that era to make it sound true. just a thought that i've been having for a few weeks now.

We don't know they are true. You are supposed to have Faith that they are. nothing more nothing less.

Always remember they were written by men. Man also determined these books where inspired by God.

so i'm just supposed to believe something with no proof?they could have just been crazy and thought that god was talking to them and they made up jesus and the high number of followers. just a thought

[edit on 26-9-2007 by coryblood]

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Why do people believe in evolution? I don't see any proof there. Its because people will believe what they want to believe. Personally, im inclined to trust the recollection of people who were actually from the time period rather than the modern day academic pseudo-psychological theories. I don't buy the "they were all mass delusional fiction writers" who made up fairytales to rationalize the world. Kinda silly that so many people would follow something so abstract in my opinion.

But to answer your question. Why should you believe it? You should only believe in it if you truly believe in it. I used to be an atheist and mock religious people all the time, but looking back i realized I was the one who was truly brainwashed. Hope that helps.

We don't know if they are true, and I certainly don't promote blind faith (which I believe most people in any religion are blind followers) I would suggest a book to you, called "A History of God" by Karen Armstrong, she's world renowned and I would suggest you pick up a copy if you are interested in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam and the origins and parallels with other, earlier religions, etc.

To Meatclown:

If you don't see evidence of evolution, it's because you aren't looking. There is a mountain of evidence for evolution, in every natural history museum on the planet (except maybe for the Young Earth Creationist ones).

I doubt that you will appreciate it, but I'm offering a link to a site that discusses evolution in depth and offers a great deal of evidence for it. Go if you like, or not.

www.talkorigins.org...

Warning! It contains actual science by real scientists, not just people who have websites that peddle pseudoscientific babble.

[edit on 26-9-2007 by MajorMalfunction]

Originally posted by coryblood
How Do We Know That The Bible, Old Testament, And The Torah Are True?
I mean if i were to write a book saying that all of these amazing things happened like turning water to wine and that kind of stuff and some one from the future read it wouldn't that make me as reliable as the people that wrote the bible? What if they were all just stories? written by someone with an imagination, they throw in a few facts from that era to make it sound true. just a thought that I've been having for a few weeks now.

Moses gave the 33,000 Jews on Mt. Sinai the Torah and They ALL heard God say "These are my commandments, follow them". Because they heard God speak for they took it seriously.

What other religion has God speak to their prophet in front of 33,000 witnesses?

None but Judaism!

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but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of this happening. especially when you consider that it's part of an overall historical fabrication.

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he could have been either lieing or over guessing how many people were there and how do you know it was the voice of god, don't say because it says so in the bible, couldn't they have made a mega-phone type thing that wasn't electric?

Because Jesus told me so.

Originally posted by arpgme

Moses gave the 33,000 Jews on Mt. Sinai the Torah and They ALL heard God say "These are my commandments, follow them". Because they heard God speak for they took it seriously.

What other religion has God speak to their prophet in front of 33,000 witnesses?

None but Judaism!

Hmmm not sure that would constitute the proof that the OP is looking for.

Between incorrect translations of the original language they are written in plus the scheming machinations of many religious leaders who were dabbling in politics through the ages it is difficult to tell whether the scriptures are just a work of fiction or a collection of witnessed events. What I do know for a fact is that the King James Bible, much known and loved today, is several steps away from the intention of the original authors with several books actually left out because they do not fit with what was, at the time, current theological thinking.

Hardly 'the Word of God' that some would like to believe...

Originally posted by Redge777
Because Jesus told me so.

hooray for a circular argument!

There are different types of truth. There are historical truths, spiritual truths, and moral truths.

If you are looking for historical truth in the Bible, the consensus amongst secular historians is that the Bible is a mixed bag. Many historians will point out there is simply no corroborating evidence to verify that all of the people, places, and events in the Bible are true, but there is some corroborating evidence to prove at least some of the Bible is historically true. For example, nobody may ever be able to find good evidence to prove Adam and Eve existed and lived in the garden of Eden, but there is corroborating evidence showing that various Biblical kings like King Herod existed.

If you are looking for spritual or moral truths in the Bible, you will find a treasure trove of information. The Bible contains a wealth of information about morality, how to treat one's fellow man, and rich stories about the human condition.

i'm looking for historical proof. i do know that there are some historically true things in the bible but what i am questioning is the whole "magic" thing that jesus did and the stuff that moses did.

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Yea you cant proove a book by whats written in it. It just doesnt work. Just because its ancient and says these things doesnt mean its true. Were there schitzophrenic people back in the days of Moses? Sure, Yes there were, but they werent called schitzophrenic, they were thought to be possessed by demons, or to be evil, or witches. Just because they called them that doesnt mean they were. It was an attempt by a ignorant society to explain a phenomenon that they didnt understand. Fear played a major role.

The bible was written in an age long past. Its time we broke these chains of tradition and ignorance. And break into a new age of understanding and enlightenment. Science in no way hinders this. If anything it should compliment it. Evolution has mounds and mountains of proof. Far more then any religious theory does. Just because they cant explain certain things like the Eye evolving doesnt render the whole theory farse.

Whats more remarkable and amazing? God said let there be life and there was life, or life slowely and systimatically evolving from single celled organisms into the complex creatures of today with billions of cells and memory, and eyes, and everything. I think the second is far more amazing. The bible tries to explain things that man didnt understand back then. Many things we dont understand today. Ancient man was like us, curious, searching for knowledge. And they took their dreams and their myths seriously, because thats all they had to make sense of a world full of suffering.

We know better nowadays.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Peace.

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i wish i could have said it like that myself, exactly what i've been thinking. by the way, nice avatar

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by Redge777
Because Jesus told me so.

hooray for a circular argument!

Actually it is not circular, you are assuming he told me through the Bible.

[edit on 28-9-2007 by Redge777]

Originally posted by coryblood
i'm looking for historical proof. i do know that there are some historically true things in the bible but what i am questioning is the whole "magic" thing that jesus did and the stuff that moses did.

Now this quote is a circular argument!

If you want to prove spiritual powers from the bible, you must only do them yourself through the power of God working through you, but first you must have faith. Which of coarse means you need no proof. So to prove them you must know they need no proof

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And here is another interesting read...

American Thinker

Now "IF" one reads this with an open mind, it will raise questions that perhaps demand answers, but are not forthcoming in science..

Semper

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
If you are looking for spritual or moral truths in the Bible, you will find a treasure trove of information. The Bible contains a wealth of information about morality, how to treat one's fellow man, and rich stories about the human condition.

Maybe so. But that doesn't mean it is evidence for the existence of God, the true identity of Jesus Christ (if indeed he existed at all), or any other supernatural creationist claims therein.

You could replace the word 'Bible' with 'Aesop's fables'.

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