A few thoughts for those who think engaging Iran militarily would be disastrous for America

I didn't have a chance to log on this weekend, so I'm just now responding to the OP.

I was glad to read that most responses used a little common sense with regard to this issue. I think most (if not, many) people here do not HATE America. I'm an American and I love this country and what it used to stand for. But, since the turn of the last century (read 1913) this country has been driven by forgein policy that is directed at complete and total global economic control. That isn't the ideals that this country was founded upon. The ideas set forth by our founding fathers was to generate a governing body that would be supported by it's population in order provide the freedom and liberty to seek out happiness and live peacfully. Not to allow the opportunity for a select few to live as prosperously as humanly possible. The few entities that dominate the laws and agendas of this country are corporations such as the oil industry, insurance companies (demonstrated by the fact that we STILL have no universal healthcare), banks (read Federal Reserve), and other smaller entities, such as lawyers, judges and politicians that help to regulate policies that make this possible. This is the reason that most people don't want war with Iran. Not because we feel that we'll be deafeated (militarily). On a global ecomonic scale, the United States could have the blanket pulled out from under it if our so called Allies decided (much like the invasion of Iraq) not to agree with such a conflict. It could stop us cold in our tracks by isolating our trades and exports. But, that's all beside the point. The point is: We (the general population) do not benefit in any fashion from a war (Air or Ground) with Iran. The people that would benefit would be the select entities that continue to control the foreign agendas for this country.

That's why we're aginst militray action with Iran. Not because we're scared we'll be defeated, but because we see no benefit. Why start a war in the name of fear only to make the rich even richer. And for all those who say, "But, they're building a bomb! - Their President is crazy and supports terrorism." None of this would be effecting us now if it weren't for the foreign policy of America that made it all possible.

If the United Sates invades Iran or should I rightly say "when" America invades Iran America will be demolished by nuclear attack. Iran is backed by the Big "Bear" Russia. Russia has business investments with Iran and will step in the picture to move against the U.S. when it's investments are threatened.All of U.S's so called "allies" are not it's allies at all. They are receiving benefits from U.S. and are playing the friend, but when the next world war takes place Russia, Iran, and all of U.S's so called "allies" will all launch nuclear missles upon America. No country on the planet likes the kingdom of America. Hey folks. Wake up! Every kingdom on the planet earth ruled for a period of time and was destroyed. American is NO DIFFERENT. The only rulership which will never be destroyed once it is set up is the KINGDOM OF GOD. Therefore this place MUST be destroyed for the KINGDOM OF GOD to be established. America you are deceived by your pride. We are the last generation to see America before the fireworks start!

reply to post by Israelite


I don't think nuclear weapons will be used (at least by Russia) towards America. We've been dealing with this Cold War-like isses for many decades. It's time for America to step back and let it's little brothers (like Israel) fight it's own wars. We can't police the world anymore. Israel and Iran have had this conflict coming for centuries.

reply to post by Israelite


I think you are wrong to a certain degree. No nation will let it's allie fall, why do you think NATO was made? So countries against the allies will not attack, if they did then they will be looking at a very big war. An agreement was placed, if everyone breaks their agreement, then those countries will be looked down on.

US has many "for sure" allies, such as Canada, Australia, UK, Israel. Some of the most powerful players in the game, so what do you think will happen? Do you honestly believe NATO will go against the US? If they did then they will face the same problems they face if going against Russia. Some of those NATO countries were apart of the Soviet Union, so do you think they will stand by and watch it be made again?

The answer to those questions are all no. You do not see US trying to dictate it's allies, but what you will see if the US is "destroyed" is Soviet Union again, with the Chinese, and Middle Eastern countries. That will be a very bad era for everyone. It will be like the days of the world war, communism and much hate from leadership to followers.

Look at it this way, the US decides to bomb them back to the 50's militarily, and take out multiple suspect nuke facilities. You feel that this will enrage the Soviets enough to attack? Quite the opposite, it opens more room for reconstruction. Iran could be to Russia what Iraq is to the US in terms of rebuilding and reconstruction, and at the same time they will be able to bargin for oil in trade/commerce for this reconstruction. Also, with Iran, the largest threat in the middle east gone, oil prices will stabilize and more than liklely drop.

China cares not as this is one more neighbor that when the time comes will offer little resistance. This is years down the line when the US is no longer dependent on oil and will no longer need to intervene to protect it's own interests. At that point you will see the flare of the old Soviet/Chinese conflict appear.

All the while, the US will continue to strenghten ties with Canada and South America. South America in the next century is like North America in the 1800's...pure.

reply to post by tyranny22


You don't understand though. There are reasons for this war that are beyond your knowledge physical reason. First and foremost, this war has been prophecised and therefore will happen. Second, The Elites of the united states corporation are planning this war to happen just like they did WWI and WWII. This war according to their plans must happen to establish their NWO. What they are not anticipating though is that their "scare" tactic is going to go out of the control of their hands and their plans and the end result is America is going to be obliterated out of existence. Every nation on earth is tired of America's #. It's all in their minds to gang up and burn the big bully to death. BUT...Russia is going to start the movement. When Russia stirs up they are going for the head chop.

Dude, N.A.T.O. is not with America. America does whatever the hell it wants with or without nato's approval. Look man. America is doing with the other nations just like they did with the North American Indians when they got here. They smiled in their faces and made contracts with them, but in the back of their mind was war and take over.

See American then had the Gatling guns and rifles, the American Indians had bows and arrows. It was no match.

This time when America tries to take over, the other nations INCLUDING n.a.t.o are going to have the Gatling gun and the rifles too...and they WILL use them.

The plan of the AMERICAN elites is not to live and deal peaceably with other nations...it's to TAKE OVER the ENTIRE globe.

reply to post by Israelite


NATO Member Countries

Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Czech Rep
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States

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I beg to differ.

Originally posted by fweshcawfee
I keep seeing comments illuding to some type of mythical devastation for America if it engages Iran (and possible Iranian allies) militarily.

Apparently there are a few people around who still don't quite comprehend the true strength and might of the United States of America. I'm unsure if it comes from actual stupidity and ignorance, or just a refusal to acknowledge the truth because you don't want to flatter a country you hate.

Quite frankly, the U.S. if backed by other nations (which it would be) could annihilate Iran and it's buddies just as easily as they obliterated Iraq's entire former government. If you disagree, you're naive and hardly perceptive of actual reality.

Militarily, technologically and economically the combined might of the United States and it's freedom loving, democracy defending allies are an invincible force that no foe or group of foes on Earth could withstand.

And don't even bother to preach to me about Russia and China potentially working together at some future point to defeat us either, see the preceeding paragraph above.

Going further, say hypothetically that America were to go it alone against Iran without help from friends, it could still simultaneously trample over multiple middle eastern nations at once if it felt the need to do so. Iran and any sympathetic neighbors it could recruit to it's side wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell. America may suffer casualties but the other side will suffer annihilation if it comes down to all out war.

America was already prepared to wage multiple wars simultaneously when the N. Korea controversy was heating up, do you really think this country doesn't know it's current and modern capabilities? America knows it's capabilities and it knows it's limitations as well so to the leaders of all nations, I say underestimate this country at your own peril.

You people talk so much about the "disaster" it would be for America if it decides to engage Iran militarily. You are completely out of touch with reality if you honestly think so. Are you really so incapable of adequately assessing the history of world events over the past 200+ years???

Stop hoping so much for the devastation of America because in actuality what you're praying for is the effective annihilation of Planet Earth. Or do you naively believe that America could dare be brought to it's knees without slamming her enemies face first in the dirt in the process.

You are partially correct, we are just about invincible, militarily speaking in terms of weaponry. But you forget one very important, obvious point. How in the hell can we afford another war? We have soldiers right now who are being sent bullet proof vests bought by their parents because our military is out of money. When a soldier gets shot, and a piece of their equipment is now destroyed, they get charged for it when they come home. So, oh wise one, explain where the money is going to come from when Russia and China decide to help Iran and the nukes start flying?

reply to post by Israelite


In the scenario that you're talking about with the Illuminati and NWO, Russia has played a part in every scheme devised thus far according to wars including WWI & WWII. Why would it's agenda suddenly change? The call to bring the NWO to total power involved the destruction of Arab and Christian religions alike. Thus far, the plan has gone accordingly. What will be the turning point for it to be derailed?

As for prophecy, I don't play into much prophecy. All biblical phophecy can be inturpretted to occurances 2000 years ago, or it can still be accounted to event today. Because of that, I think it's all up to interpretation and I think it's a bunch of nonsense to try to live by that.

As for the NWO's agenda ... well, it seems to be going according to plan since the mid 1800's and I think these elites need to be stopped at whatever cost.

You people are putting all your trust into the hands of the Elites who run this corporation. You truly think that these muderers are looking out for your best interests. It's not hard to understand why the elites of America call you peons, useless eaters, and sheeple. Well look at it this way. After the next so called "terror" attack when they conveniently throw you and your families into concentration camps, and there are foreign troops and dead bodies on American streets. Maybe, just maybe it might smack you in the face and wake you from your slumber. Especially if you post on this site....you better beleive when they come, you are on the priority list. Everyone who posts on this site is on a terrorist list and are marked for the concentration camps for the RED list. What's the RED list? Well since you trust in your government so much....I'll let you find out on your own.

[edit on 24-9-2007 by Israelite]

reply to post by fweshcawfee


Countries don't need to fight us to destroy us. All they have to do is cut us off from the resources we need. We need other countries to survive. You don't seem to understand this.

Attacking them and threatening to use our military might is literally biting the hand that feeds us. Do you know how much debt we are in? And we now do not have the means to produce enough agriculture and goods ourselves to keep our country afloat, without crucial imports from other countries.

The dollar is losing value daily, which that after a while our possible collapse would not affect the world as much as you think.

Please pay attention to the little hints they are giving you in the news.

reply to post by windwaker


Dude, the American dollar is falling because they want it to fall. They are bleeding America. They are inflating the dollar to cause a vacuum to suck America under. They are merging companies and outsourcing all their work. It's done purposely. They want another economy crash. They want total anarchy. How else will they get you to accept the N.W.O without resistance, and the microchip.

Russia attempting to launch a strike against the US would be suicide for them. game over. No war, just nukes. They could hit us first but there would be nothing left of the world. This is called MAD.

Iran has outdated equipment that would suffice in a ground invasion, but they cannot defend against bombers and cruise missles. This is not a wanted war. No one WANTS it.


However, conflict is a mandate of the human race. It creates economy and thins the herd. Look at World war 2.

People like the OP actually bring me to tears with their ignorance and disregard for their fellow human. My only closure is to assume your a disinfo agent trying to spread ridiculous neo-con rhetoric just to see what kind of opposition you encounter.

Originally posted by fweshcawfee

Originally posted by jprophet420
yet it cant even win the one its in now, brilliant hypothesis.

And in case you forgot the facts since you think America "can't even win the one it's in now", Iraq's former military and entire government were swiftly and decisively annihilated, despite the fact the American invasion was on unfamiliar ground in a new type of fighting environment that America had never even been in before. Chew on that one Einstein.

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Unfamiliar Ground ? Hasnt been in before ? Did not America fight the Gulf war in iraq in 1991 ?

Honestly guys the opening post of this thread and quotes like the one above are what is making the US the most hated nation on the planet just now. Nation V Nation the US would kick most other nations asses, but not all of them.

If China and Russia team up you lot better duck because you would be at least evenly matched if not facing up to superior military force.

China itself has 2 billion population, thats the ten times the soldier power and you can bet that they will have enough technology to counter your air force and navy, especially when combined with russia ( not to mention nations such as Iran and North Korea who will be only too willing to get involved and see the US taken out)

Americas problem is that they rely too heavily on technology and sea and air power and havent a clue how to deal with guerrila tactics as Vietnam and now Iraq proved.They took out the Government and Army of Iraq but are making one ass of a job over dealing with the aftermath cause all the technology in the world aint goin to help you with invisible terrorists unless you simply wipe out the entire population of the country.Do that and the rest of then planet turns against you.

I mean you cant even find a guy hiding up a mountain.

The only thing we can absulutly guarantee with the vastly superior US war machine is that in every war they fight they will charge in gung ho with no plans as to how to deal with the population after the war and will be involved in at least one " friendly fire incident" where they blow up troops of the nations supporting them.

Stop sticking your nose in other peoples business America, then you can sit back and wont have to fight all these damn wars in the first place.

First, there is more to winning a war then just crushing someone elses military and overthrowing their government.
Second, we would annihalte Iran's military in 1-3 days.
Third, according to conservative estimates made by former high level Navy officers we could expect to take 80-90% casualtiy rates on our ships inside the Persian Gulf. The Iranians literally have hundreds of Exocet, Sunburst, Sacade, etc ASM missiles. All of them relatively modern, some of them ultra modern, supersonic missiles capable of penetrating the defenses of modern carrier fleets. Retired Navy admirals have been quietly calling fo rthe scrapping or re-tasking of the US carrier fleet for a decade, calling carriers "Floating Coffins".
Do not delude yourselves. We would squash Iran, but these missiles, capable of launching from Toyota Pick Up trucks in some caes, would devestate our navy, completely shut down th ePersian Gulf, freeze oil, and turn th eblood of the oceans red with the blood of US sailors. Remember, in many cases our ships our within visual contact with th eIranian shore (check the maps, eh?) also these missiles were designed by the Soviets and later the Russians with the intent of sinking US carrier groups. Som eof these missiles are less then 2 years old. No tto mention the fact we could kiss goodby most of our ground forces in Iraq due to the massive popular uprising against us that would surely follow. Even now the "Independent" gov of Iraq is trying to regulate trade with Iran and Aid for Iraq, yet th eUS military sytematically kidnapping and murdering Iranian officials and ADMITTING IT OPENLY. Have no doubt, we are the bad guys here. While Iran may suck and be barbaric whne it comes to law, they have never in their history launched an attack against a foreign country! How's our record?

reply to post by fweshcawfee

I do agree that we the United States have the technology and power alone to devastate.Never mind if we have our allies who are also a devestating force to be reckoned with.

The only problem or question would be is how we go to war.As far as people saying we are losing in Iraq,the problem is countries try to make rules of engagement. (how are there rules about killing people in war? Stupid theory).Nobody else is following the Geneva convention.

If we were fighting Iraq as an occupation w/out the rules of engagment we would've annihilated them in days.

If we fought on a global scale w/no regards for rules we would destroy half the Earth and don't think we wouldn't receive devestating disaster also.It doesn't matter how much tech we have,you can't stop all the nukes that would be headed our way for the simple fact that nothing in this world is 100% full proof (except death).Some technical system would fail and we would eat a few nukes.

We thought we were untouchable until a few unorganized terrorists blew the piss outta us w/our own resources.Shows how unorganized we really are.

Regardless this is the country I was born in and choose to raise my children so regardless of what occurs, I am prepered and if the end result is death, like I said, I'm prepared.

Fear is an illusion!!!!!!!!!
Wars should only be fought for a threat against the existence of our people!!!!!!!

reply to post by LDragonFire


Very good point you have there!

This will be my only response on this post, so go ahead and pick it apart. I am not interested in getting into a debate on this issue. THE IRAQ WAR WAS OVER YEARS AGO, AND............WE WON. Enough said. We are no longer fighting a war over there, now we are peace keeping. We are doing the job of the UN, again, and not surprised by it. Please people. War is ugly, war is evil. Want us to win this so called war you think we are fighting, let us fight a real war. Like the OP said, there is not a nation that could stand up to the United States militarily, if the US wanted to fight a war the way wars are supposed to be fought. Get the journalists out (or leave them there, I don't care) and let us fight war like the enemy does. Let us fight dirty, let us fight ugly. It seems that any #ry we engage is immediately considered the under dog, whether they are the aggressor or not. They are given the OK to fight war as if their survival depended onit, oh wait it does. That does not mean they are allowed to fight one way and we must fight another way. I am sick and tired of people shouting down the US for any reason. If we wanted their oil, hell we would take it. But we are not like that, despite what everyone else in the world thinks. Sorry about the rant, but I am here in NY City, where a freaking waste of a college is giving the Iranian leader aberi......what ever a free place to speak his hate America rhetoric. This college will not allow American's in favor of anti-immagration lesiglation the right to speak, but they will give this guy an open forum. I am so sick of sympatheic, weak LOSERS living in my country.