USA must go!

Word of advice friend: Don't come here, were not the best country in the world anymore. Were hypocrites, and the incompenants and sutpidity of the people is growing. One of these days i'd like to go up to canada or maybe some place in europe. One day i'll be free.

FaxMachine, You certainly caught me off-guard with this thread of yours.
There have been many solid replies so I don't want to say what I really think as it's been said above by others a few times. So I'll hold back the insult I wish to send you.

What I'd like to know FaxMachine is what exactly do you mean by:

"USA must go!" ?

Be specific if you please.

Dallas

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Can't we have a anti Israel thread instead? That should be interesting!!!

Haha, that has been tried by a few people, me being one of them and it was anything but popular.
It wasnt a "I hate jews" type of thread either but no matter how you word it or or what point you try and make in it there are always the people that are going to call you a NAZI, Hitler, Jew hater or Anti-Semite.
Some countries even go as far as making it illegal, especially if you even question the "official" number of Jewish people that died in German concentration camps.
Yes its true, it is especially against the law to completely question the existence of the camps in Germany and the death camps in Poland. So
not only is it against the law to actually deny it occurred, it is also against the law to question the number that lost died in these camps.. Of course the number varies, depending on what decade it is, it was 3 million when I was in middle school (the early 80s) then it was 6 million in the mid to late 90's, now I believe the official number is 12 million.
Every decade the number seems to double
Why am I even bringing this up in this thread? Well, many of the posters in this thread have been comparing Bush to Hitler and the US to 1930's Nazi Germany. Personally, I dont see the resemblance but it is typical for simple, narrow minded people, with no imaginations to compare whatever country or person that they dont like to Hitler and the Nazi's.
We get attacked by a terrorist group, a group that had admitted to attacks once before in New York and other European countries and we retaliate.
Most other countries, out of fear, turned a blind eye, some of them offered intelligence but only under the conditions that we didnt tell anyone what we were told.
I'm still looking for the comparisons between the US and Nazi Germany

HOW DARE YOU! Look at Bush and Cheney. Don't you just love them?

We are all One.

Everything
Seems so easy
From a distance
Everything
Seems so small.

Sitting upon
The sun
One might
Not see
Earth at all.

I believe I posted a thread a few days ago... Something along the lines of "An American says Death to America". I don't get patriotism. It does no good. I was born here, and I am trapped here, but does that mean I have to support who owns me? Screw that, man. I wanna use a lot harsher language than that, but all of you brainwashed flag wavers have no concept of self, and no concept of empathy for others. You can't see all the suffering in the world and feel terrible that this is happening because of "us". You see the suffering and go "glad that's not me", instead of the natural reaction that decent clear headed people (and there aint many left) would have, which is "Oh my God, what have we done?" That's my reaction. Oh my God, what have we done to the world? We've destroyed it. We've destroyed all the peace movements, we've destroyed all the true spiritual movements, we've destroyed the homelands of all the most beautiful people in the world. For what???? For oil to drive our Hummers??? For Chips Ahoy and all the conveniences we have that nobody else can have. Not even 90 percent of our own population can have them. So don't anyone dare talk to me about "go live in another country" or "why don't you stop using all your wonderful american conveniences, then?" COULD YOU? This is a convenient prison!!!! Most of us would starve to death if there wasn't a major chain store right around the corner, because nobody teaches us how to be independet anymore! They teach us how to depend on the system and how to love it and how screwed we'd be without it. Well god dammit I'll tell you now, I'd rather have peace and justice and equality for all the people around the world than to have all our wonderful conveniences and securities and our wonderful murderous country whos people, for the most part, seem to have no empathy towards anyone anymore. I don't have to call for America's death. We're doing it to ourselves. Like I've said to people before, I think we need someone to invade us and kick our asses in order to wake the F*** UP!!! Wake the hell up, you corporate slaves! I'm in hell... but at least I realize it. At least I'm not killing my neighbors with my ignorance. I would love for all these ignorant people to wake up. You must realize that when I call Americans ignorant as pigs to a slaughter, I don't mean that in a hateful way. I mean it in the most truthful loving way possible. I want peace, love, and happiness for everyone. America simply will not do that. It will do just the opposite. It will bring the destruction of humanity. America needs to go. No American is truly an American. No Irania is truly an Iranian. No Eurpoean is truly a European. In the end, truly, we are all humans. So let's stop acting like this is some game and stop taking petty sides and waving unimportant banners. It's rediculous.
The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner we will save ourselves from ourselves.

and If I seem a little angry towards my fellow neighbors, I'm sorry... but seriously, how many times can you run headfirst into a brick wall before you realize that it hurts you? I'm angry at the proliferation of ignorance, how it is loved and cherished and celebrated and laughed at. Just look at Comedy Central any day of the week, and you'll get why I'm so angry. Blatant ignorance, intolerance, and revellry in being completely stupid.
This is American pride? We should be proud of being intolerant, apathetic, hateful, dumbed down sheep? If someone will pay for me to move as far away from civilization as possible, you'll get your wish. I'll just "GIIIIT out!".

I think it's like gun owners, not everyone can own one and even the ones who do can take advantage of it but it's the only way we know if there are gonna be guns.

The other day I was watching a documentary on Somalia and black hawk down. Well they mentions bin laden stating we are a paper tiger and we will fold under the pressure of casualties. Than when we fight we are bad for killing innocents. This is all from Bin Laden. In the Quran it is a sin to kill any person by fire. 9-11 many people died by burning to death. My point is some people will use anything to satisfy those emotions. Iran's president has said some crazy things yet he is not in charge of the military in Iran. Now would they abuse it if they had a chance? I don't know but would you risk it?

I understand your point and I feel bad how people are attacking you. It is almost like a living analogy of USA against Iran. Someone has a different viewpoint and they must shut up or conform no matter what.

In my experience with people that have a want for fighting or killing you there are ways of treating them like an equal and they become your equal. Does this work every time, no. But it is possible every time if we try hard enough.
Ever become a friend of someone who seemed to hate you in the beginning? I sure have. All we had to do is discuss our differences and learn some things we had in common.

On the other hand I swear there is something in us that wants fighting and war. Ever study yourself when you watch a war movie? It invokes emotions, some we may have never knew we had. Is this right and just? I don't know but it sure seems natural. I joked in a past thread about getting more recruits for the Army by playing the movie 300 at high schools and after pass out enrollment papers. I suppose it is the high of letting go.

Just gonna throw this out there, FaxMachine, that was the most uneducated reason for the United States, and I'm assuming the citizens as well, to "go." Before anybody on here would actually debate such a topic, base it less off your opinion and more hard fact. The citizens of the United States are extremely disgusted with their government. They elected Democrats into office who promised change, but all we continue to have is the same action as when the Republicans lead Congress. Look at the approval rating of the President, and that of the Democratic Congress. Change does not come quickly in a large bureaucratic society. Let the election of 2008 pan out. Do not sit there, from where ever your location in Europe, and say an entire country, the foundation of freedom in the world, a country of 300 million people needs to peace out of here. What do you propose, genius? Nuke the U.S. to teach us sons of bitches a lesson? Start a war with us? Try to invade? A revolution is impractical, at this point, because our system of government is not faulty. The ones leading it are.

To Mr. Scandinavia who hates America. Who cares what you think? If it had not been for the tens of thousands of us Americans giving their lives to liberate Europe, not once but twice where do you think you would be right now. You would either be speaking German right now or you might have been sent to the showers a long time ago. As for the person who replied to you and was a Alex Jones grouppie. Mr. Jones does not speak for most Americans. At least he does not speak for me. So you and your soul mate in Scandinavia can blame and hate America all you want. However you might think about what would happen to the world if America was no longer here. Or maybe we should isolate ourselves from the reat of the world politically, economically and militarily. I wonder how long it would take for the rest of the world to come crying wanting us to get involved in the world events again. And if you dont like my comments you can stick them up your faxmachine.

Originally posted by Copernicus

I know its the kind of attitude you think is pacifist, and maybe it is - the last thing I want in this world is a war. There is no real evil in the world, only different opinions of what is evil.

I think that getting on a bus with a backpack full of explosives, with the intent of killing as many women and children as possible is evil.

I think that sawing someone's head off as they scream and beg for mercy - regardless of who they are - is about as evil as it comes.

I think terrorists killing a Gym full of grade schoolers is evil.

I think mutilating little girls for a religous belief is evil.

Don't kid yourself - there is real evil in the world. I don't understand why you would think otherwise. If you just take second to look around you would come to the realization that this world (and not just the US) is royally messed up.

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It's all fun and games until its your country targeted. What would you say if it was your country? As for the translation, what is the excuse for other the comments he made about Israel? If you can't remember then I will post them for you.

OP ----

You are talking to a lot of people who are watching their country change into something we don't want - something that goes against everything we were told it was. Please stop and imagine how infuriating, terrifying, and nightmarish this is. Remember, if you want to attack people who are totally aligned with this current administration, who completely agree with everything going on, then you are posting on the wrong board!!

I, for one, am an American who feels like I have woken up in a different country than the one I grew up in. What exactly would you suggest I do? Where exactly should I go? Do you really believe that I "should go"? As in what, die?

reply to post by Kr0n0s


The only resemblence is when a 21 year old gets tasered by polic officers and everyone just laughs at the kid. Or oj gets off for mudering an innocent women. Even this time he's being let off. Were not in nazi germany, were in something worse when you can't say what you feel and the people are blind.

Originally posted by neformore
And by the way, despite fact that people keep repeating that "Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the map", its not true. Read a proper translation of what was said, in proper context, instead of reciting soundbytes - what Iran was saying was that they'd like to see regime change in Israel.

That's true, from what I've read he was just speaking of regime change. AND, I'm an American, whoa...imagine that. Some of us actually do read and understand things, between Big Macs and watching MTV, of course.

However, I must disagree with many of our "peace loving" brothers across the pond in regards to letting anybody who wants nuclear weapons get them. That is THE most ridiculous and dangerous thing we as a PLANET can do. [sarcasm]Let's allow EVERY country have nuclear weapons, simply because a few other countries have them. After all, who are we to say who can and cannot have them? I think every nation should have a few, surely we can't look too far into that whole "law of averages" thing. The more war torn nations and governments that have them the better, after all, NOBODY would actually use them. Let's get some to Africa as quick as we can, none of the parties in control in that country would EVER dream about using a WMD to murder massive numbers of people in the blink of an eye, too much respect for human life and understanding of consequences there for that, it would bring peace and stability to the region. Yup, that's the recipe for a peaceful planet, nuclear weapons for ALL.[/sarcasm]

We should ALL, as a PLANET, be heading in the direction of LESS nuclear weapons, and eventually NONE. Not too long ago, the newest kids on the nuclear block, India and Pakistan, were extremely close to a nuclear exchange. What a great idea to add them to the equation in even more age old conflicts, to allow more nuclear powder kegs to be created.

didnt you hear him? he never meant to attack Americans as a people. If anything, he was giving constructive criticism to the bulk of this forum, because the bulk of it is ignorant flag waving patriots. God, for one second people, stop acting like you're being attacked when somebody says something bad aout America. They aren't saying you are bad, although you've been led to believe so your whole life...and that's the whole reason 9-11 worked. That's the whole reason the American lie worked.

dude nobody should have nukes, but I get the guy's point. How is it fair that we have that option and they don't? It's a horrid option.... but I mean, who's more dangerous for having that optioon? Who's more capable of using that option to its most lethal extent? Certainly NOT Iran.

Originally posted by Copernicus
reply to post by UofCinLA

 

Are you seriously stating that you should be allowed to do as you please in the world because you were the first to invent some things?

No, he was just pointing out something that most of you seem to miss. That while you are ranting about the US government's actions, you seem (to us) to be forgetting all the good that we've (US citizens you say you still like) also brought to the world. A little more balance please.

You cant be serious. We are talking about what you guys are doing TODAY, which is invading country after country. Whats next, my country? My friends?

Get real - unless of course you and your friends plan on attacking us first.

You cant just ignore the what the rest of the world thinks, or you will create a lot of resentment, anger and hostility, no matter what stuff you have invented in the past.

Why not? Especially - as another poster pointed out - since you are all sounding like a record with a skip in it. Convince me that you still listen attentively to people in your life that just blather incessantly about the same thing over and over again.

Do you realize how many parents will lose their childs, how many childs will lose their parents, or how much psychological damage you will cause to millions of people? Have you grown up in a war to know that? You would think your vietnam veterans would let you know.

And do you realize with all the billions of $ in foreign aid we've contributed over so many years (and your little pissant country, what have they contributed?) how many millions of people we've helped and saved?

Im very anti-war as you can see, because I realize what it causes. I dont know if you have any kids in your life, but imagine them seeing bombs and war around them with people dying. It damages a person for the rest of their lives and gives them severe mental scars. Who do you think they will hate when growing up?

And now to the part you may never understand. We have wars in other places in a mostly successful effort to keep them from happening here. To try to keep our people from experiencing what you just said. Why, because we've watched the rest of the world fight and destroy each other. We've lost hundreds of thousands of our own trying to help you settle the wars you started. We've spent billions of $ rebuilding your countries after wars you started. Pardon us if we don't want that to happen here. And quite frankly, the best way to keep your wars from spilling over to here is to fight them there.

So, lose your holier than thou attitude about war. After all, you've been at it for much longer than we have.

[edit on 19-9-2007 by Copernicus]

[edit on 9/19/2007 by centurion1211]

Let me repeat this again for people who wanna jump to conclusions about what I've said. When I say "Americans" or "you" even... I obviously don't mean ALL Americans or ALL of you.

Centurion.

Wars are started and fought because certain banks and corporations want to make money. Very simple.

As for this thread. Since it's political bickering and I've unsuccesfully tried to steer it more into being a conspiracy subject, I'm moving it to AbovePolitics as of now.

I love these anti American posts (not really). As if any other country is stepping up and trying to keep some religious fanatics from obtaining nukes and starting WW3. I recall Kuwaitis trashing America prior to 1990 until Iraq decided to flex a lil muscle. Then what did we hear? America you must help us.

Do I think everything we do is right? NO!
Have we made mistakes? YES!
Will we continue to make mistakes? YES!

What are we to do just sit back and watch and allow these atrocities to take place and do nothing? That makes us just as guilty, to watch radical Islam commit genocide in several country's and kill off even other Muslims just because they don't interpret the Koran the same as the rads do, and do nothing is a sin against humanity. I'm proud of our country and have 2 younger brothers who are laying their life on the line daily to protect our rights and the rights of others, makes me proud.

What has your country done? What have YOU done? Its easy to point fingers after the fact especially while your ring side only observing and risking nothing. These posts and these views make me puke!