Student Arrested, Tasered at Kerry Event

Originally posted by RRconservative
Free speech, blah, blah, blah.

Yes you do have the right to ask questions. But you do not have the right to have them answered.

This guy caused a disturbance, and it could have led to a riot, or even a mass murder spree.

This guy was obviously mentally disturbed.

Remember Virginia Tech?

Please tell me your kidding....This guy is mentally disturbed for asking two questions in a row without letting a anser in for the first question?Really you must be kidding about every word in this post.Mass murder?Free speach blah blah.heh

Originally posted by mallory-john
Well, when I watched the vid I recognize that the female LEO tried to stopped this conversation since he was getting loud and did not give Kerry time to answer, which wasnt correct. The LEO walked back and there were waiting - since the student did not change his "conversation style" and was going to get louder and aggressive they intervene him and cut mirco.

In that moment he should just stfu and sitdown so Kerry could answer. But he didnt. He knows there were cameras around him and he used the situation to create a "brutal police" youtube vids. He tried to escape the officers, 3 LEO had trouble to fix him, then a teaser came into this game to paralyze him so he could get arrested.

The arrest was ok, teaser wasnt really needed but thats not our decision since we were not in the field.

I tend to agree with you that the student saw an opportunity to garnish attention once he realized they were serious about him calming down and moving on. Bottom line again as it is in most tazer cases. Do what the cops ask and you will be allowed to move on. Give them lip and crap and you get shock and awe.....

Christ if a police state does go down we have only ourselves to blame because no one listens to authority anymore. People think they can do and say anything they want and not feel any backlash for their actions. LOL WRONG AGAIN snapper head zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz want to calmly walk out now? Are you ready to calm down..... I guess not zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz again.

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How are you guys serious?He asked one question and asked another before kerry could speak.That deserves being manhandled by 5 cops?I would pull away too,stand up for your personal rights.

From now on no one is allowed to ask more than one question,and I demand that you do not get passionate about it.

reply to post by esdad71

He has the right to free speech, but not to disrupt a public forum. He will be booked and released. Again, an idiot.

Here Here, MY thinking exactly. Follow the rules and you wont have any trouble, go off on a CT rant and you get the bug zapper.

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He was following the rules?Did you even watch the tape.ALL he did was ask two questions in a row.Sorry if I come off strong.I jsut can't believe so many feel like that.

How is it illegall to simply ask a question,then ask another before he can answer the first one?

[edit on 18-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

He was pontificating at the podium, and wanted everyone to hear him. He had no REAL questions. The same people who defend this moron usually think Iran should be armed with nuclear weapons. The logic is not there and it SHOULD not compute.

I think it would be a safe bet that he was off his prescribed meds for one, that he did not want to truly ASK a question and that he was looking for nothing more than some attention. Go call you momma you idiot.

HE did not only ask 2 questions and then was brutally attacked. Like I said previously, he is lucky that he did not get the mace since they were in an enclosed area, so they chose to taser him.

From the 1st Amendment, Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. He was not censored. He was asked to ask a question and he told them he would get to it. Sorry, this is not a public debate forum, ask your thought provoking question about the future of the nation and sit down. THat simple.

Clearly this could have been handled better, but this guy was resisting and refused to leave. Long before he is tased, you can see he was trying to go back into the auditorium and away from the exit.

Being tazed today is like being billy clubbed in the knees during WW2 to disperse crowds. It shuts you up and most of the time isn't fatal.

Had the young man not gotten so emotionally upset, he would have never been tazed in the first place. He should have kept his voice down and acted more respectively towards Kerry, too. That was Kerry's show on stage and not his.

When surrounded by cops, shut up! When arrested, shut up! Cops are trained in methods to intimidate you and upset you even more and not say much while you literally go off into a raving rant. So, when in the presence of a cop be quiet and respectful. You can make your point later on and in a far more effective way than getting into a shouting match with a cop. The pen has always been mightier than the sword and always will be.

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Did you read the article or just watch the video, He knew the rules of the Q and A and he broke them plain and simple. He got what he wanted and now its all over the web. LOL What i hate is people who try and high jack freedom of speech to mean they can say and do anything they want. That is not what the right implies or what it stands for. Freedom of speech does not mean you can say and do anything you want.

I dont know which texts has the most different interpretations, the bible or the US Constitution. its a toss up at this point!!!

reply to post by esdad71


Wow...... SO many harsh feelings because he ASKED TWO QUESTIONS.What could possibly make you so hostile?

I don't understand how you think he acted illegally by getting a little emotional and asking two questions in a row.Ever watch a damm press conference?It happens all the time,so why was he taken advantage of?And thats exactly what it was,more BS arrests made by more BS cops.

And actually you have no clue at all where I stand with Iran.Look how mad you got you went all over the place.

Geemony,
I think this fits in fine with the freedom of speach laws.This is far from highjacking our rights lol.Get real,the guy asked two damm questions in a row,they could have said sit down or enough,instead cops manhandle him.That isn't right in my mind,period.

Dj I agree he could have stopped pulling away after a sec or two,but what I'm trying to say is I don't think they had any right to touch him in the first place.I woulda have pulled away to on instinct.But yes I think he did drag it on to long,

[edit on 18-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

Originally posted by Slipgrid
Also, send a copy to the UF police:
[email protected]

I just sent them an e-mail.

Here it is.

I watched what your policemen did to the college student at the Kerry event. So, now people get arrested for asking questions? What happened to the freedom to ask our polititions questions afforded to us by the constitution of the United States? How was the taser justified? The student did NOT become argumentative until your goons started to manhandle him. I hope all involved get fired. Thank you.

reply to post by Project_Silo


Read the article , dont just make your assumtion based on a Video. The article says the guy didnt follow the rules of the Q&A or directions from the cops to end his session.

what is so hard about following directions in this day and age. Are all the kids growing up going to end up like this guy. Bucking authority and crying police brutality when the need suits there agenda?

Originally posted by Project_Silo
reply to post by esdad71

 

I think this fits in fine with the freedom of speach laws.This is far from highjacking our rights lol.Get real,the guy asked two damm questions in a row,they could have said sit down or enough,instead cops manhandle him.That isn't right in my mind,period.

[edit on 18-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

What video were you watching? You didn't, did you? You hear the cops asking him to ask the questions and then to sit down, and he doesn't. They turn off the mike and he keeps going. Then, instead of leaving he acts the fool. Anyone with a bit of intelligence knows first of all not to provoke the police, and second of all not to break away from them when bieng escorted out. That was all the campus cops were doing. Escorting him out.

My question to you is, why did he not leave? Also, the questions he asked, he knows the answer to, so it is not like a press conference where people are attempting to garner information. He was an idiot.

I just viewed the tape and this is exactly what is going to happen to anyone that asks a question that has to deal with anything they don't like.

You think you have freedom of speech well, you can see by this tape you do not.

This young man should take this to any and every court he can.

If I asked a question and had done nothing wrong then was man handled by all those officers I can see why he reacted the way he did, wouldn't you.

Look at what Bush has done in the last 8 years. We all did nothing to get rid of him so we are allowing this to happen. Are we going to stand up and do something and get rid of them no, we aren't are we.

If we don't stand together and stand up for our rights then we will have no rights.

reply to post by esdad71


I suppose your right about the fact that he already knew the answer.Also I didn't hear anyone ask him to sit down,I heard something but I couldnt make it out over him yelling.

If they told him to sit down first,and now considering his motives from the questions he asked then ya I'd have to say they had a right to approach him.

I did not hear the cops ask him to sit the first time.

Still on the fence about them asking him to stop talking in the first place,but it is clear that his questions were loaded.I just do not want this to become commen place,and no American should fear being manhandled and taserd for asking questions.

[edit on 18-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

Originally posted by Project_Silo

Geemony,
I think this fits in fine with the freedom of speach laws.This is far from highjacking our rights lol.Get real,the guy asked two damm questions in a row,they could have said sit down or enough,instead cops manhandle him.That isn't right in my mind,period.

[edit on 18-9-2007 by Project_Silo]

Project , I think you are missing the whole point of this piticular instance. Thier was a set guidline to ask questions of Kerry. the guy decided he didnt want to follow those rules. Why cant you see that here? Im sure if the guy wanted to set up his soap box outside the place and preach his mind to any who would listen it would have been ok. Instead he bucks authority and he gets the volts as a going away prize. Follow the rules and you will be ok, decide to go off on your own and break those rules and you get what you get.

This has already been pointed out, but the cops didn't start swarming him until he mentioned "Skull and Bones" and "secret society".

IMO he was starting to get too close to the truth, so, time to shut him up....

With any luck it will have the opposite effect, people will see the vid and go, "WTF? What's Skull and Bones and why were the cops on him as soon as he mentioned it?" and they will find out the truth for themselves....

Originally posted by Project_Silo
How is it illegall to simply ask a question,then ask another before he can answer the first one?

Because esdad, geemoney and the rest of the neocons on this board are part of the problem and not the solution.

So, we just do as an officer says? Even when that officer is falsley arresting you? How about if the officer tells you to get into the car and service him for being a prostitute? It happens. Does that give the officer the right to taser you and book you? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stand up for your rights people or they will be gone before we know it.

Hopefully the kid learns the ropes so that doesn't happen again!

Around here that would activate the law enforcement officer's corporo-veno-occlusive mechanism. We have scandals under investigation for this. It is still not "police state", it is just bully heavy handed tactics.

unbelievable, really seriously, what is going on in your country?
and why havnt you all stopped it already?
america is out of control.