Police caught on tape threatening to destroy and invent evidence

My God that video is disgusting.

This is why so many hate the "pigs". They are just another gang, it just so happens that this gang is in TPTB's pocket.

If the cop was out of his jurisdiction and there is no reciporical agreement between departments, than file a criminal complaint with the jurisdictions department the cop was operating in.

Might as well get the cop at his own game seeing how he was ready to bury you for no reason.

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It really makes you wonder when cops are no better than the criminals they are supposed to be protecting us from.

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Originally posted by WorldShadow
If the cop was out of his jurisdiction and there is no reciporical agreement between departments, than file a criminal complaint with the jurisdictions department the cop was operating in.

Might as well get the cop at his own game seeing how he was ready to bury you for no reason.

That area where the commuter parking is at, if out of St. George jurisdiction,would be St.Louis County's jurisdiction..Most likely precinct 3 or south county turf.

You know what really scares me? What would have happened if these cameras were not there? The cop was clearly ready to fly off the handle.

I feel sorry for all the other people in his 20 years that didnt have a camera.

Originally posted by sp00n1
Maybe now the corrupt cops will get the message. They aren't above the law! If they mess around, they will be held accountable!

They will ONLY be held accountable if you have it on video. There are complaints filed daily all over the US. Very few amount to anything at all. The odds of a police officer getting away with this type of behavior is actually in his favor. I listed some good sources in the thread with the women who was 8 months pregnant getting tazed, I would list it again but I am too busy watching the Bengals game and too lazy to do it again.

Point being, unless you can PROVE it your screwed. If it is a case of your word against the word of a Police Officer, you will lose. I really like the idea of installing a camera in my car, I had a situation where I was given a ticket and the cop lied about why I was given the ticket. I wish I had some audio of our conversation. In case your wondering, I was ticketed for having a gear shift knob that lights up blue. He claimed it was for having some other lights that are blue and on my hood and that I had them turned on. Which of course I had the lights, but I never had them turned on. By law I can possess them and turn them on only if I am parked not while driving.

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Hi.

A couple thoughts.

Will this make the cops clean up their act? I'd say, maybe, for a short while. Then they'd just get sneakier. Walk up, stab a tire, knock out a tail light, be polite as all get out but still screw you.

If you listen to the whole video, you see the cop change his underlying attitude several times.

1. Somewhat calm - walking up to the car
2. Sudden rage - as soon as the driver answers a question by 'I'm not doing anything wrong';
3. Hidden pleading, with a thin rage veneer - as soon as he learns there's a camera, his voice changes to more of a higher pitch.
4. Witnessing - soon after he starts talking for the benefit of anyone who might end up watching the video. Explaining and bargaining.
5. On your side - then the cop tries to get the guy's sympathy and 'explain' things. Again 'witnessing' for the court who would eventually watching. He's trying clumsily to build in justification.
6. Very calm almost friendly again, hoping to keep the driver from leaving mad.

I'm not a voice-stress analysis expert, but I bet if this was gone over by an expert it would be revealing.

2 cents...

absolutely. check the other video linked in the article, it's an even better example.

Again, as soon as they find out there is a camera, they say "we have one too" and then all of a sudden, professional courtesy starts to come in subtly.

i made a response back on page 4 and not sure if anyone saw it; but i feel this is important as this situation made it to MSNBC. this happened several weeks ago about 20 miles from me.

A parking lot spat got so heated between an off-duty Milwaukee Police Sergeant and a woman that he handcuffed her and wanted to press charges.

Source
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Welcome to the midwest, where the populace is more than likely considered a cash flow and not a citizen. St. Louis set its boundaries long ago. All the small towns are still there. They use the police to augment the budgets. St. George, Fenton, an old stretch of highway 66, we know them all. In other major cities they would have been incorporated but here they are still individual small towns. The jackpot being if a major highway runs through them.

I have been pulled over by a uncover car that sped down a divided highway tailgating, honking and flashing lights to other drivers. When he did it to me and I tapped the brakes the flashing lights came on. I have been detained while walking when I was younger to fill out a F.I.R. or Field Intel Report. When asked where I was going. Who I was going to see. I replied my bizz, and my rights. That time I got to walk away with only giving my name, school year, and ss number.

My fiends and I have been picked up and driven to a precinct to fill out a F.I.R. for all of us. This turned into a shouting match. We were charged with disturbing the peace. The Sargent's in the next rooms peace btw. Also charged with walking on property adjacent to school property. We were walking on the sidewalk across the street from a school.

The trick I really like is when they plant small trees in front of a stop sign and wait for the missed stops. I got out of that because I had a camera, and took the picts to court.

The attitude shown here is nothing new.

One observation and one comment...

Observation, I currently live in New Zealand, but am an American citizen...just got back from a business trip to the U.S. last month (2 years since I've been "home"), one thing that really got my attention...the numbrer of S.W.A.T programs...Dallas, Kansas City, Detroit etc...I find the whole paramilitarization of our local police departments kinda disturbing!!!

Why does every town and not all of them are large cities need a S.W.A.T. team
source...
en.wikipedia.org...

one of them is Downers Grove, IL...hell I lived there for 7 years, it only has 55k people and Chicago is only 30miles away if they need S.W.A.T.
WHY???

Comment, Police departments are no longer the buffer between the populace and the govt. It used to be if you wanted to know the pulse of a neighborhood or town, ask a cop...they are the man on the street who knows everyone and what their up to.

Anymore, Police officers are Tax collectors with guns. They don't stop murders or robberies any more than I do...I have absolutely no faith at all in a cop being there to assist me in my time of need..and I teach my kids the same, if something happens out there...don't look for a cop, figure it out yourself, be self reliant.

my2cents

Another local station here covering it.

The St. George police chief says this is the first time he's ever received a complaint against Sgt. Kuehnlein during his 2 years with the department.

Now is it the 2 years the chief has been there or only 2 years the Sgt. has been there?

Ya know what, I listened again to the video and it sounds like the cop is slurring his words. Is he under the influence of a substance or drink?

It would appear as though this guy is some cop in a sleepy little town that never really sees any excitement. After getting bored in the middle of the night, he takes it upon himself to bother innocent people just to get his jollies. And apparently traffic citations make up about a third of the local revenue stream for many of these small communities around St. Louis.

What really bothers me is how confident the guy was that he could get convictions! You show me a first time offender and ill show you a guy thats never been caught before.


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I remember back a few years ago in Texas the state govt. ended up passing a law to restrict such revenue streams...

quote...
To combat the problem of overzealous municipalities turning speed traps into an endless revenue source, the Texas Legislature passed a law capping the amounts that municipalities under 5,000 residents can collect from traffic law violations. The law also requires allows the state comptroller to audit such municipalities that generate over 20% of their revenues from traffic citations (see www.speedtrap.org...).

from here....
www.insurance.com...

Originally posted by sp00n1
What really bothers me is how confident the guy was that he could get convictions!

that brings up a good point. anyone arrested or given a ticket as a first time offense by this particular officer should be cleared & compensated.

Originally posted by sp00n1
It would appear as though this guy is some cop in a sleepy little town that never really sees any excitement. After getting bored in the middle of the night, he takes it upon himself to bother innocent people just to get his jollies. And apparently traffic citations make up about a third of the local revenue stream for many of these small communities around St. Louis.
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Actually it isn't really a sleepy little town. It's more or less a big neighborhood with it's own police force created at one time to do something about the speeders on Reavis Barracks. I don't know if the money from the tickets go into the neighborhood or if it goes to the county.

Ironically enough, if and when charges are brought against this officer, I'll bet he invokes his Fifth Amendment Right to remain silent.

Do that mean he's "impleding a police investigation"?

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Originally posted by sp00n1
Ironically enough, if and when charges are brought against this officer, I'll bet he invokes his Fifth Amendment Right to remain silent.

I think the video will speak for him.

So many of us have encountered this kind of problem. Here in my small town I have been pulled over for no other reason than having long hair (my conclusion). I live close to New Orleans and have heard many stories of police brutality. Hell, my children are even scared of cops. Man this get me upset. Especially knowing we can't do anything about it & it will probably only get worse.
Discouraged, C.O.