Allah is NOT Some Pagan Moon God

Allah was in existence long before Islam. Arabs worshiped 360 idols; each clan had their own idol to worship. Muhammad’s grand father Abdul was of Mecca clan and also the custodian of the 360 idols. They all worshiped idols even to the point to Muhammad’s grand father naming his children after these idols.


Muhammad’s farther , Abdullah meaning servant of Allah. Muhammad’s uncle, Abdul manaf,, meaning servant of manaf. Abutalib , meaning father of talib.
They were all clannish idol worshipers. Islamic scholars try so hard to hide that there darling little Muhammad worshiped idols before and after he made the claim to been a prophet. Muhammad also wanted to unite all Arabs, but could not carry all 360 idols . So he picked one. The one his dear old daddy was named after. Allah. Most of the idols ended up been destroyed according to Muhammad. About 4 idols are said to still remain in the ka’aba. it is NOT the same god. Notice the crescent moon on every thing Islamic
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Originally posted by iammonkey
Allah was in existence long before Islam. Arabs worshiped 360 idols; each clan had their own idol to worship. Muhammad’s grand father Abdul was of Mecca clan and also the custodian of the 360 idols. They all worshiped idols even to the point to Muhammad’s grand father naming his children after these idols.

Nobody disputes that Allah was there long before Muhammad. Even the Medinite Jews called God Allah. Since Muhammad came AFTER his grandfather and father, I don't see what their names have to do with it. Since Muhammad said that part of his mission was to bring back the people from polytheism, I don't quite see what their names have to do with it.

Originally posted by iammonkey
Muhammad’s farther , Abdullah meaning servant of Allah. Muhammad’s uncle, Abdul manaf,, meaning servant of manaf. Abutalib , meaning father of talib.

Since all these people were born long before Muhammad, I don't see how it is relevant. In fact, I don't even know why you included Abu Talib (who's real name was Imran, the Abu Talib nickname coming from the fact that his son's name was Talib). Many of the people who became muslims (and who had questionable names, like Abdul Shams--Servant of the Sun) changed their names when they converted.

Originally posted by iammonkey
They were all clannish idol worshipers. Islamic scholars try so hard to hide that there darling little Muhammad worshiped idols before and after he made the claim to been a prophet. Muhammad also wanted to unite all Arabs, but could not carry all 360 idols . So he picked one. The one his dear old daddy was named after. Allah. Most of the idols ended up been destroyed according to Muhammad. About 4 idols are said to still remain in the ka’aba. it is NOT the same god. Notice the crescent moon on every thing Islamic

Even before Muhammad became a Prophet, he didn't worship any idols (I don't understand how you came to that conclusion from the information you posted). Muhammad's father died before he was born, so I don't see what his father's name had to do with it. There are no idols still remaining in the ka'aba (they were all broken), and the crescent moon came much, much later (the Turks took it as a their national symbol, and they ruled most of the Islamic world for a while).

You know, I really don't mind disagreement, or debate, but it troubles me when information is mixed up and mutated. Three points to clarify:
* Allah was worshipped in the Ka'aba as the head god (like Zeus in the Greek Pantheon).
* According to Islam, the Ka'aba was built by Abraham as a shrine to Allah. Over time, the arabs added more and more gods to the place. Part of Muhammad's mission was to bring back the worship of the One True God.
* Allah was not related to the crescent moon. That was Hubal.

Originally posted by iammonkey
About 4 idols are said to still remain in the ka’aba. it is NOT the same god. Notice the crescent moon on every thing Islamic

Sources? The Kabaa is cleaned out every year, and all Muslims are given a chance to see what's inside. There is an oil lamp in there (to see in the dark), but no idols.

The crescent moon has already been covered by me, in this exact same thread. Look up the moon of Constantinople, if you choose to ignore what I wrote.

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Allah is not the same god worshiped by Christians and Jews. Allah is the modern embodiment of the ancient Arabic moon god named Sin. Islam does not believe in the Holy Trinity, nor does it believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, nor does it believe in the sanctity of human life. What it believes in is death, dismemberment, racism, hatred, enslavement, pedophilia, and murder.

While i agree there is some common ground in the fundamentals of our religions, i happen to believe Allah in reference to the Islamic God a False God. While we have common beliefs we do not serve the same God, My God (christian) is not the Muslim God. Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, Muslims believe Jesus was just a prophet. Muslims deny the atonement of christs death on the cross for the salvation of the soul. Muslims shroud themselves in works in hopes they make it to heaven. Christians know that they are going to heaven simply by believing, salvation is not by works but by grace through faith. Mankind has been handed mercy, you don't work for a gift it is given without a price, our good works is a result of the our salvation, our new creation the new spirit which is created in us which is perfect. Its our mind and our body we have to contend with.


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Muslims worship the same God that Jesus worshiped. The same God Abraham and Moses worshiped. In Judaism, they do not worship Jesus, and yet Christian believe it's the same God written in the Torah.

Christianity started as two belief systems, followed by sub-categories. The two were a unitarian belief system and the other a trinitarian belief system. The unitarian system followed Jesus, but did not worship him. The trinitarian on the other hand believed in the concept of the trinity, and taught that Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost were one in the same.

Though, Jesus was not referred to as "Jesus" till the Trinitarian movement took hold and wiped out competition from the unitarians. The current title "Jesus" and "Christ" had been created from the Greek title "Ze Zeus" and "Christos", literally meaning "The God Anointed." Current day Greek Greek-Orthodox Christians still refer to Jesus as "Zezeus." This title was given to him to signify him as God, by the trinitarian Christians. The Unitarian Christians still refered to him by his Hebrew/Aramaic name Essau.

When you say that Muslims do not worship Jesus, you are correct, because through the trinitarian belief system, and not the unitarian belief system, Jesus is God, worships God, is the son of God, and died as God.

Muslims believe that God has no equal, no offspring, cannot die, and worships no one. The early unitarian belief system is similar to the viewpoint of what Muslims believe in Jesus. The Quran teaches that all of God's prophets are of equal importance, and any servant of God cannot uphold one prophet over another. Muhammad is no greater than Moses, Jesus, or even Isaac. They are equal. To view Jesus as the better and as God, is something that is not allowed, because it would be associating an equal to God.


"Muslims shroud themselves in works in hopes they make it to heaven. Christians know that they are going to heaven simply by believing"

If this were true, then anyone who believes without doing good works would go to heaven, regardless of any evil deeds they commit. Following God's commandments, doing good in this world, and abstaining from sin holds no relevance in weighing whether one makes it into heaven or not?

The simple belief in God, or Jesus in this matter, is not enough for current day Christians. I have been to Churches that require Christians to give away their wealth to the Church, to have a place in heaven.

[edit on 15-8-2008 by DJMessiah]

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Hello! The reason that Allah is referred to as an ancient Arabic moon god is because there have been absolutely hundreds of archaelogical finds that prove it beyond reasonable doubt! I wouldn't go to a predominately Christian or Islamic source to find this information. One will say "white" and the other will say "black" if you get my meaning. I've done lots of research on the subject. I would suggest a source that is just interested in hard fact, not religion. I am a Christian and would certainly like to tell you that the major point that most people miss about Christianity is that lots of people who claim to have done great works in the name of Jesus were doing these things for personal gain. Not because they consulted God on the matter. I have a personal relationship with a living God through his Son Jesus Christ! That is very good news. I don't have to work my way into Heaven! Jesus paid the price for me! One thing is for certain in this life. There is ONE absolute truth about God. The fact is that everything we do in this life has eternal consequences. One day we will all know the truth. I would suggest reading the Bible for you own personal knowledge if nothing else. It is historically accurate as there has never been one place in the Bible that has been disproven to have existed. It's all there! God bless you all and I hope you find the TRUTH!!

To my knowledge Muhammad was the last prophet who brought the completed message of the god of Abraham.. Islam is the final way. If you notice the Qur'an is a lot more historically accurate regarding the prophets.
PEACE BE UPON THEM ALL!!!

Originally posted by Prima Facie
To my knowledge Muhammad was the last prophet who brought the completed message of the god of Abraham.. Islam is the final way. If you notice the Qur'an is a lot more historically accurate regarding the prophets.
PEACE BE UPON THEM ALL!!!

No, it isn't, because we frankly can't prove any of them existed. You've been brainwashed. Well done.

I'm interested in seeing the crescent moon info. Anyone got a link?

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Yes i have been brain washed, it feels good. Cleanliness is next to godliness

Originally posted by Prima Facie
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Yes i have been brain washed, it feels good. Cleanliness is next to godliness

Wonderful. Why not go and live in a country with Sharia law, and complete the transition?

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Come on, these sarcastic comments are petty and futile. Like a childish game, who will have the last word. I hve different beliefs than you, let's just sensibly leave it at that!!

Originally posted by Prima Facie
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Come on, these sarcastic comments are petty and futile. Like a childish game, who will have the last word. I hve different beliefs than you, let's just sensibly leave it at that!!

Well why not try reining them in, then? If you don't want me to criticise, don't preach!

Originally posted by Prima FacieIslam is the final way

Shut up, eh? Don't give me your bloody religious polemic, because you don't know jack, hence the basis of religion on faith, so when I tell you you don't know what you're talking about you can only run to your idolatrous holy book.

If you don't want to get into a thing about it, don't start. I notice you didn't answer me when I asked why not move to a country with Sharia law.

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Allah is NO different than any other psuedo-diety worshipped on the planet.....just because you favor him does not make him the true god.

Please stop soapboxing your god.

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First of all. i said to my knowledge, meaning what i believe for me. I was not preaching. And you made a comment about my statement first.. Dont tell me to shut up.. And stop acting like the tough guy behind your'e keyboard.

Originally posted by Prima Facie
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First of all. i said to my knowledge, meaning what i believe for me. I was not preaching. And you made a comment about my statement first.. Dont tell me to shut up.. And stop acting like the tough guy behind your'e keyboard.

Stop diverting the attention, and answer the question.

And that simply means "i'm gonna pimp my god!". Who wants to hear how you think Islam is the truth? It isn't relevant, the question is: "is Allah a moon god?" and it appears that he might have been. Not "do you think Islam is the one true religion?"

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Hahahahah.....what a pointless thing to say. What makes a true god, then? Is it the one no one favours? What is the real deity to your claims of a psuedo-deity?
Djohnsto77 can talk about whatever he considers important, especially considering that this is the Conspiracy in Religions Forum, and he's found a conspiracy.
It seems everyone wants a soap-box to air their views. At least some read up and post where it is relevant.

PS: djohnsto77 is not muslim. He just happens to be a little more tolerant than some in this thread


[edit on 3-11-2008 by babloyi]

Question? is ALLAH a moon god??

Those who claim that Allah is a pagan deity, most notably the moon god, often base their claims on the fact that a symbol of the crescent moon adorns the tops of many mosques and is widely used as a symbol of Islam. It is in fact true that before the coming of Islam many "gods" and idols were worshipped in the Middle East, but the name of the moon god was Sîn, not Allah, and he was not particularly popular in Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. The most prominent idol in Mecca was a god called Hubal, and there is no proof that he was a moon god. It is sometimes claimed that there is a temple to the moon god at Hazor in Palestine. This is based on a representation there of a supplicant wearing a crescent-like pendant. It is not clear, however, that the pendant symbolizes a moon god, and in any case this is not an Arab religious site but an ancient Canaanite site, which was destroyed by Joshua in about 1250 BC. There is also an ancient temple in the ruins of the kingdom of Sheba (Saba), in Yemen, and it includes inscriptions to the kingdom's patron god Almaqah. It has been claimed that Almaqah was a moon god, but there is no solid evidence for this, and scholars now think Almaqah was a sun god. If the ancient Arabs worshipped hundreds of idols, then no doubt the moon god Sîn was included, for even the Hebrews were prone to worship the sun and the moon and the stars, but there is no clear evidence that moon-worship was prominent among the Arabs in any way or that the crescent was used as the symbol of a moon god, and Allah was certainly not the moon god's name.[138]



And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. (Qur'an 41:37)

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Originally posted by Prima Facie
And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. (Qur'an 41:37)

www.islamic-awareness.org

See the first half was fine. A bit misinformed in places, but at least it was a stab at knowledge.

Why give us this crap afterwards? I don't care what the Quran tells you to worship.

I've got a secret for you anyway...it was a noodly appendage

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noodly appendage? i dont understand what you mean?