My Smokers' Rights: Plus a few questions for my fellow addicts.

Good post Mark, hehe that's quite interesting

Where is this btw?

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Its in a little villiage in Lancashire,England.

If i had the money i would build an outdoor bar, nice big roof, loads of tables and chairs,lots of them outdoor heaters.....something like they have in Spain, and make it a SMOKERS ONLY BAR.

Place a sign on the entrance saying "Non smokers are not allowed in these premises"

I would make a fortune! I think this is the way to go for most pubs because of this silly ban.

Would also be a good idea to build an outdoor night club aswell.

Originally posted by shadow_soldier1975
you have NO right to smoke...NONE....so stop crying about it......smokers always compare cigs to alcohol, junk food, or drugs....NO COMPARISON!!!! Alcohol gets YOU drunk and messes up YOUR body, the same as junk food and drugs...sure the effects of them could lead to an accident where others may get hurt but they do not directly effect others the way cigs do.

As soon as you light up, us non-smokers have to smell that *SNIP*, and breath it in WITHOUT choice....no matter how hard you TRY to keep it away from us....if i want your drink of alcohol I have to come over and take it, your nasty cig air is unavoidable. So stop with this our right to smoke stuff.....if you want a place to smoke...take your money and others smokers money and build SMOKERS buildings. Inside there you and all your fellow smokers can smoke, joke, eat, smoke some more etc....

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What if i told you that NO ONE has the right to DRIVE because the nasty fumes make my nose hurt?

I'm quite against smoking, drugs (of any kind unless it's for keeping you alive like for blood pressure or if you have like diabetes, as in medical and non), and alcohol (I know alcohol is a form of a drug, I know. As is smoking.). I also think that junk food is a bad idea. I'm guilty of using none of the above, minus the junk food .

But I have no problem (other than pollution) with people doing any of the above. Go ahead and smoke, it's not killing me much, just you. Go ahead and drink, just don't be on the same road as me when you're drunk. Go ahead and take your illegal assortment of drugs, you're only hurting yourself and those you know. As long as it doesn't hurt me, nor the random person on the street, or in the restaurant or at the newspaper stand ten miles away or in China, okay. Basically, I'm fine with people doing it, as long as they're the ones getting the consequences, not me. Go ahead, smoke. No problem. I don't mind. Just take it outside, out of the building, where it won't interrupt my dinner, or it won't interrupt my sleeping, or my TV time, or my video games, I don't mind.

Should be a high tax on it. Smoking kills our air, too. It kills the smokers, and it kills the person standing a foot away. Slowly, yes, but it's not the best choice and smokers should have to pay extra. After all, it's not your air. It's not your property on the sidewalk where the person a foot away is standing. Pay for the discomfort and health issues you cause. Pay for the air you're using, the ozone you're destroying. It's a bad choice. If you drink and drive, you get a fine, right? You put others in danger due to your bad decision. I don't see why you shouldn't have to pay more money for the same result by smoking.

So yah, higher taxes on cigarettes/cigars/whatever other form of tobacco you smoke is a good idea. In the end it finds itself paving roads or fixing highways or educating our children, so by higher taxes on it, you are paying for your decision. Good. As said, i have no problem with your smoking, I just don't want to be effected by it. In the long run, I am. Everyone will. That little ozone you kill from that pack adds up fast. And that's my ozone, too, so I want to see something for it.

Your smoke burns my eyes, makes my food taste bad, and increases my chances of getting cancer from your second hand smoke, thanks. Oh, and your clothes/breath smells.

Originally posted by NateNute
Your smoke burns my eyes, makes my food taste bad, and increases my chances of getting cancer from your second hand smoke, thanks. Oh, and your clothes/breath smells.

Why didn't you just say, "You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny." About the same attitude. THIS is what drives smokers nuts. We don't mind going outside, observing the rights of nonsmokers BUT this attitude makes us want to forget about those rights.

Im sorry, meant to say your breath,clothes smell like smoke. Say I wanted to get some to-go food from the Waffle House (American mini-diner) I walk in for literally 5 min and I come out smelling like a smoker. It's just an all-around unpleasant experience.

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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by NateNute
Your smoke burns my eyes, makes my food taste bad, and increases my chances of getting cancer from your second hand smoke, thanks. Oh, and your clothes/breath smells.

Why didn't you just say, "You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny." About the same attitude. THIS is what drives smokers nuts. We don't mind going outside, observing the rights of nonsmokers BUT this attitude makes us want to forget about those rights.

Again, you're assuming everyone goes out of their way to accommodate those on the other end of their rather nasty habit.

THIS is what drives non-smokers nuts.

A handful of people doing the courteous thing is great, but what of the rest of you who show absolutely no regard to others, and just puff away as though they own the area they're smoking in.

And if I'm condescending, deal with it. We have to deal with those smokers who don't give a rats behind about those around them.

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Well keyboard warriors, if you gave me that attitude to my face, I would light up right then and there. Too bad, so sad. I'll take the fine. And I am one who DOES respect others, until disrespected. Deal with THAT!

Originally posted by intrepid
Well keyboard warriors, if you gave me that attitude to my face, I would light up right then and there. Too bad, so sad. I'll take the fine. And I am one who DOES respect others, until disrespected. Deal with THAT!

I'd ask you to read the post again, but seeing as how that failed you the first time, I'll reiterate what I just said.

Those SMOKERS who INCONVENIENCE themselves to ACCOMMODATE the NON-SMOKERS around them are to be COMMENDED for their EFFORT and COURTESY. T H A N K Y O U.

Now, should you have lied to us previously and happen to be one of those who don't care, THEN you can apply my latter statement of 'Deal with it'.

I hope I got through to you that time.

Too bad, so sad. I'll take the fine. And I am one who DOES respect others, until disrespected. Deal with THAT!

I'm sorry, who's the keyboard warrior?

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(We're not here to debate smoking. We're here to debate the taxes.)


--- BACK TO THE OP ---

I'm almost on the verge of going with rollies... simply because I smoke too much. While I *can* afford to smoke the brand names, the money spent is starting to cut into my grocery fund...

I've tried Bugler (not bad), about $2.29 for the tobacco and papers. Makes about 2 1/2 packs worth of cigs.

I've tried cans/bags of Tops (don't even bother with this stuff unless you're flat broke, or it's the apocalypse), about $5 for the can, $10 for the bag (usually a pound)... I didn't make it thru all the tobacco to count the ciggies I made. (Let's just say it was enough to scratch my throat to hell and back...)

I have thought of taking up pipe smoking. Not that it's cheaper (well, cheaper than brand names, but more expensive than rollies), but I wouldn't smoke as often. Or maybe I would, but at least I'd look like Sherlock Holmes doin' it!


Anyone know where to find tobacco seeds? (I should specify: Seeds for tobacco plants that you can smoke. I've seen a few listings for tobacco seeds, but I don't know if you can smoke 'em...) I've got some yard space to use up, and it'd sure be nice to get rid of all the additives...

Nice try mate but here are your words:

Originally posted by Conquistadork


And if I'm condescending, deal with it.

No spinning that puppy. It was aimed at everyone.

But thanks for pointing out exactly what bothers smokers. You made our point for us.

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first of all, show me good evidence that second hand increases your chances of getting cancer, as far as i can see, it doesn't exist. its a *HOAX*.

secondly, this thread was never about smoking in your home or car, it was about me smoking in my home or car, if you don't like me smoking in my own space, don't come into it.

thirdly, if you have that reaction to cigarette smoke in the outdoors then car pollution must half kill you, i do not for one second believe that smoke fumes from cigarettes are worse than from cars. its just rubbish.

Well I dont exactly have a cars exhaust pipe next to me letting out fumes for an hour straight while I try to eat. And forgive me for saying it causes cancer, it just increases my risk of getting it. Tamato, Tamatto.

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Deleted post, on the account, after some thought, i think it was off topic, and perhaps offensive to some. Also may have brought up bad memories or other bad emotions in others.

My apologies.








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1st I do smoke, have since I was in the womb ( I guess I should sue my mother for that, and some of you on this thread would agree, it seems ) I have smoked for 32 years, and I run about 10 miles a week, I'm not obese and I eat junk food and candy.
all of you MILITANT non-smokers must be walking or riding bikes because of your strong convictions and if not, which would you prefer, a half hour in a garage with a smoker or a half hour in a garage with the car running? I guess you use no electricity ( how does that work if you have a PC and can Post here? )
I went to the Redbull flugtag this last week end, My wife and I got there early. we layed out a blanked, had a back pack to carry water and supplies, I brought my PSP for some tunes, it was an outdoor event, a No -smoking event we had a wonderful spot, could see the band stage and the "flight" deck as well as a large "jumbotron" screen. as the Fun began more people started showing up, they started walking thru the middle of our blanket, stepping on us and my back pack (with my PSP in it ) and none of these people were smokers, so I get pissed, and light up a smoke.. and low and behold they quit walking thru our blanket, and people backed off from our space, the second I put it out the started walking over us again, so I kept a cigarette lit Just to have my own space, so smoking DOES have a benefit

the Other funny thing was Most of the security at the event were smokers, and were walking around smoking, so I didn't get hassled at all.

My wife and I chose NOT to have children, so we do and will smoke at home, we roll our own $12 for a can of Bugler tobacco it lasts almost three weeks, we always run out of papers before tobacco, we roll them thin, we never smoke around others, at the bus stop we move down wind of others, even if they ARE smoking. ( the situation at flugtag was brought on by those being rude to us )
I love the argument some have put forth about alcohol not affecting the person next to you, unless your suddenly going on a drunken tear and take a swing, drive a car, puke, on someone, I do NOT use alcohol, not even beer or wine, but your drunken slurring words do offend me and others. (I don't go to any place that sells/servers alcohol either)

Remember folks, life is always 100% fatal, No exceptions, so be happy while you are here, and fill your life with Joy while you can, no matter what you think, there is always something worse

Edit to add, you "second hand smoke worriers" fail to get that we smokers are breathing in the smoke from Both ends, so your "filtered" logic fails on it's face

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Originally posted by NateNute
Well I dont exactly have a cars exhaust pipe next to me letting out fumes for an hour straight while I try to eat.

Really? You must avoid these places like the plague then.

To get back on topic. Here in Florida, marlboros are about $2.89 a pack plus tax.

They also have a brand called 305's which are between $1.60 and $1.80 a pack. I smoke those quite often.

However my Moms works at the local Food Mart behind the courtesy desk, where they sell smokes, so she gets first pick at all the by one get one free deals. If we buy them this way, we can get 10 packs (a carton) of marlboro for just around $18. Very Nice I know.

But when things are bad, I do go for the roll your own, and my brand of Choice are: Tops, Bugler, and Drum, in that order. I really don't enjoy the hassle of rolling them though, and after smoking them for a full day or two, I can really feel it on the lungs. So imo RYO are a last resort, and usually only to hold me over for a halfday or 1 day until I can get a pack of regular cigs.

It's summer time and we are averaging 100+ degrees. Eating outdoors is not in my interest. Places likes those are rare in my area anways, so there is no avoiding to do.

Originally posted by shadow_soldier1975
you have NO right to smoke...NONE....so stop crying about it......smokers always compare cigs to alcohol, junk food, or drugs....NO COMPARISON!!!! Alcohol gets YOU drunk and messes up YOUR body, the same as junk food and drugs...sure the effects of them could lead to an accident where others may get hurt but they do not directly effect others the way cigs do.

As soon as you light up, us non-smokers have to smell that *SNIP*, and breath it in WITHOUT choice....no matter how hard you TRY to keep it away from us....if i want your drink of alcohol I have to come over and take it, your nasty cig air is unavoidable. So stop with this our right to smoke stuff.....if you want a place to smoke...take your money and others smokers money and build SMOKERS buildings. Inside there you and all your fellow smokers can smoke, joke, eat, smoke some more etc....

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[edit on 28/8/07 by masqua]

we'd probably put up the money to build ourselves a nice little "clubhouse" and a bunch of anti-smokers would sue to be allowed in, then they'd start griping about the shs....

as far as the rest of your rant....
perfume, detergents, and the like have many of the same chemicals that are within cigarettes, with the same affects to health....so, maybe we should all stop making ourselves, our homes, our cars, and our clothes smelling pretty also?

indoor pools have the same negative effects as shs if used on a regular basis. my son was asthmatic when he was a kid, and he did complain about it being hard for him to breathe when he was in the pool....didn't stop the school from forcing him in it so they could teach him to swim!!!

and oh, ya.....they are finding the smog in some of the larger cities are doing MORE DAMAGE than second hand smoke could ever do to kid's lungs......

and let's not discuss the work conditions people are forced to work in 8 or more hours a day, 5 or more days a week for that paycheck, shall we?

in plain simple words, the people and business around us are exposing us to all kinds of nasty stuff....why should this one little group over here have special priveledge of changing the world because they have big mouths and happen to not like ONE of those sources for these substances?

you want fresh clean air, fine, I'll give ya fresh air, but then, ummm....hope you don't expect to drive your car anywhere, or have anything printed, or be allowed to turn on your computer, or cook in your tupperware, or........

by the way, ya, I've went some time rolling my own cigs in protest of NY State Government after they told me that I couldn't smoke in a printshop that already had air so bad in it it would kill any bird that happened to fly into the place. I was nice about it though, I wrote to them and told them that they'd have to go without that taxmoney I was paying for every pack, and why they were gonna have to do without...also informed them that I had quit my job and well, they'd have to go without that income also until I could find a job that had that clean air they were touting....

watching to see if the federal government decides to raise it again, so all those poor youngsters can have the healthcare so many of us adult taxpayers have to go without...if they do, heck, I'll just start growing my own!

by the way....if you do a search for tobacco seeds, there's a few places that sells them

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